Is PC gaming most organized in Europe?

[futurefields]

All the european clans seem so organized, doesn't really matter the game. They really care about their servers and seem to have really low ping (for others in Europe) compared to what I see in the USA. When a game starts to die the european servers are usually the last remaining.

 

[DigDog]

i would say the opposite.

from my experience, the US has, first of all, more gamers. just more numbers.

they also have the worst scrubs/casuals, while EU does tend to have more serious/good players.

yet again, also due to both numbers and the advantage of using a common language, US seems to have more "elite" players.

 

[Tsavo]

Europe: good at gaming, really shit at world wars.

 

[WelshBloke]

Europe: good at gaming, really shit at world wars.

You can blame the Germans for both those.

 

[Izurmaku]

I tend to see the opposite I mean, have you seen League of Legends ( EUW )? Pathetic

 

[TidusZ]

Shooters = Europe
MMO = Europe
RTS = Korea
MOBA = China/SG/prolly others

Not sure what games NA wins at if any

 

[cmdrdredd]

Shooters = Europe
MMO = Europe
RTS = Korea
MOBA = China/SG/prolly others

Not sure what games NA wins at if any

North America is pretty competitive in fighting games(not necessarily PC).

Doesn't Korea have some crazy time sink MMO games that are popular? Like games with lots of grinding?

 

[Morbus]

Well, Europe has Sweeden, so there it is. We're the best.

Joking aside, it depends on the genre, and it depends on the game. Generally speaking, I'd say the US, being a larger and richer country, is probably more organized then any single European countries. And then there's the fact that language is a problem in Europe, so... Yeah.

 

[local]

Europe: good at gaming, really shit at world wars.

I'd say they are really good at starting world wars.

From what I can tell EU is more inclined to complicated in depth games whereas the US just wants more CoD.

 

[xantub]

Shooters = Europe
MMO = Europe
RTS = Korea
MOBA = China/SG/prolly others

Not sure what games NA wins at if any

Candy Crush

 

[lilrayray69]

I think their ping is more due to the EU tending to have a higher average Mbps internet line than the US.

The US & EU compete generally neck-and-neck in the big MMO's like WoW (from what I remember, anyway), except sometimes when the release date of content is not the same.

It's probably more a case of 'the grass is always greener' type thing...The EU players you see/hear of are likely the good ones, while since you live in the US (I assume) you play with the whole gaming community

 

[Gryz]

I think their ping is more due to the EU tending to have a higher average Mbps internet line than the US.

Not true. Once you have speeds of 1 Mpbs or faster, more speed has very little impact on ping. Distance on the other hand, is always a factor. Because the speed of light is so low. East- and west-coast in the US are much farther away from each other than most countries in Europe are from Germany/Benelux/Paris (where a lot of servers are). But I don't think this is much of a factor.

The US & EU compete generally neck-and-neck in the big MMO's like WoW (from what I remember, anyway), except sometimes when the release date of content is not the same.

In your dreams.
http://www.wowprogress.com/
Rankings of the 2 most recent raids (WoD). One US guild (Midwinter) at spot #3. Then 2 oceanic guilds at #22 and #25. The second US guild is at #39. The US is nowhere. They gave up.

It's probably more a case of 'the grass is always greener' type thing...The EU players you see/hear of are likely the good ones, while since you live in the US (I assume) you play with the whole gaming community

Probably.

One thing I kinda noticed is that that gaming communities in the US are much more toxic. I don't know why. Entitlement issues for spoiled kids that are grown up now ? My own theory is that in Europe we mostly speak English when looking over our own borders. If a language is not your first language, it is a bit harder to be aggressive, nasty, manipulating or subtly offending. Maybe most of us speak with each other at the level of 5-year old toddlers. And that keeps things more friendly in the long run.

 

[xantub]

One thing I kinda noticed is that that gaming communities in the US are much more toxic. I don't know why. Entitlement issues for spoiled kids that are grown up now ? My own theory is that in Europe we mostly speak English when looking over our own borders. If a language is not your first language, it is a bit harder to be aggressive, nasty, manipulating or subtly offending. Maybe most of us speak with each other at the level of 5-year old toddlers. And that keeps things more friendly in the long run.

I've had the opposite experience. I've found Europeans (in general) to be more 'confrontational'. Not all of them, and not saying I haven't found confrotational Americans either, but proportionally in my experience, Europeans would be more likely to be aggressive than in the US.

 

[Zanovar]

Of course.

 

[Gryz]

I've had the opposite experience. I've found Europeans (in general) to be more 'confrontational'.

Are you talking about gaming ?
Or about real life ?

I agree with Europeans being more confrontational. Not all of them. Because there is no "European" stereotype. People in Finland are more different that people from Greece or Portugal than any two people in North America. But yeah, some of them (especially from my country) can be very direct. Americans are always trying to be polite first. Beat around the bush. And only in the end they say stuff they want to say.

But confrontational does not mean starting a fight. Maybe some Americans feel that way. But you can be to-the-point without having aggressive intentions. I am direct. I guess. I was told in the past that I was very direct. But I never try to start a fight. (Talking real life now. A good fight on a forum can be fun some times ).

But we were talking gaming. Again, it's just a hunch. I've been to the US in real life. (Many times. Even lived there). But I've only played games with Europeans. But when I look at forums (e.g. the US WoW forums vs the European WoW forums), I definitely feel the american communities are more toxic. More guilds in the US blowing up because of drama. That sort of thing.
That could have an impact on success.

 

[flexy]

I love playing BF4 in Europe. Means...most of the time, our sh***y team is up against hardcore Russian cheaters...sigh...or Russians are just exceptionally good at playing FPS

 

[Zanovar]

Damn russians i kid

 

[Stuka87]

You can blame the Germans for both those.

Actually, you can blame Gavrilo Princip for those (Who was a Serb). He was the one who assassinated Archduke Ferdinand. Had that assassination never happened, there never would have been a WW1. Had there not been a WW1, there never would have been a WW2. As WW2 was directly caused by the treaty of Versailles. Had that treaty not existed, the Nazi party would have never gained power. And Hitler having never served in WW1, would not have become the leader of Germany (WW1 lead to him hating everybody, before WW1 he was pretty sane).

Although you could also say those would not have happened if the Serbian King was not overthrown, or that the treaty that placed Serbia under Austrian-Hungary rule.

Just depends on how far back you want to go

 

[Zanovar]

Actually, you can blame Gavrilo Princip for those (Who was a Serb). He was the one who assassinated Archduke Ferdinand. Had that assassination never happened, there never would have been a WW1. Had there not been a WW1, there never would have been a WW2. As WW2 was directly caused by the treaty of Versailles. Had that treaty not existed, the Nazi party would have never gained power. And Hitler having never served in WW1, would not have become the leader of Germany (WW1 lead to him hating everybody, before WW1 he was pretty sane).

Although you could also say those would not have happened if the Serbian King was not overthrown, or that the treaty that placed Serbia under Austrian-Hungary rule.

Just depends on how far back you want to go

Erm.cheers for that i guess

 

[sxr7171]

Are you talking about gaming ?
Or about real life ?

I agree with Europeans being more confrontational. Not all of them. Because there is no "European" stereotype. People in Finland are more different that people from Greece or Portugal than any two people in North America. But yeah, some of them (especially from my country) can be very direct. Americans are always trying to be polite first. Beat around the bush. And only in the end they say stuff they want to say.

But confrontational does not mean starting a fight. Maybe some Americans feel that way. But you can be to-the-point without having aggressive intentions. I am direct. I guess. I was told in the past that I was very direct. But I never try to start a fight. (Talking real life now. A good fight on a forum can be fun some times ).

But we were talking gaming. Again, it's just a hunch. I've been to the US in real life. (Many times. Even lived there). But I've only played games with Europeans. But when I look at forums (e.g. the US WoW forums vs the European WoW forums), I definitely feel the american communities are more toxic. More guilds in the US blowing up because of drama. That sort of thing.
That could have an impact on success.

Definitely different style of communicating in most European countries. In fact there was an article in the Harvard Business Review on this topic.

European conversation is very direct and the only place in the US that even comes close to the style is NYC and even then not even. In Europe things are put across in ways that that most Americans would find offensive but no offense is meant. In the US one is expected to sugar coat everything to the point that the average European would miss the point.

The one culture that are experts in cloaking a message are the English. They like to communicate in an extremely soft, sarcastic style. For example "let's think about this some more" means "heck no". It's pretty interesting to learn about these communication styles. In general I think percentage of people who actually want to offend someone are about the same everywhere. Also the same for the percentage of people who like to competitively rib on someone (in a friendly, competitive way) is about the same. I think it's just the way it's actually voiced is open to so much interpretation that it's easy to get offended.

Some of the German people I've met are so blunt that it's hard not to get offended but they really just mean to give you feedback.

 

[Zanovar]

generalize much?*laughs*

 

[sxr7171]

generalize much?*laughs*

I know, I know but the article in the Harvard Business Review gives some nice solid examples and also explains the need for a bit of training when dealing with people from different countries on both sides of the pond.