Question Is OCing this 10700K even worth it for gaming?

[moonbogg]

I bought it for better VR performance (which is gave) and most of those games are all janky and seem to run on a single core. The 10700K already boosts to 5-5.1Ghz for lightly threaded stuff anyway, so why the heck am I going to pump 1.4v into this thing trying to get all cores at 5-5.1? It looks like Intel already maxed these things out and only left 300Mhz on the table max for an all core OC. Sandy Bridge this is not. At least it's still fast though.
Another thing, I am doubting most of the posts I see about people bragging about their all core 5.1 OC with something ridiculous like 1.25v. They all talk like that and I think they're all full of crap.

 

[maluckey1]

I actually built my HTPC around the idea of playing CP2077 on it but the game is such a disappointment that I haven't turned it on since the week of release. Even more frustrating was that an RTX3080 could not get the game to 60fps at ultra with DLSS enabled.

Sure, the game's not perfect, but you should get over 60 FPS with most all eye candy turned on. One issue that I see is that you have DDR 3200 RAM. DDR 3200 is borderline/minimum for high-end rigs used for FPS games.

 

[CP5670]

Turn off RT as well. I use it in other games but it destroys the framerate in this game and is not worth it.

 

[KentState]

Sure, the game's not perfect, but you should get over 60 FPS with most all eye candy turned on. One issue that I see is that you have DDR 3200 RAM. DDR 3200 is borderline/minimum for high-end rigs used for FPS games.

That's not true at 4k. The difference between 3200-3800 on Zen3 once you go to dual rank is nothing except for a few edge cases. Wendell had a pretty good video showing the difference. I have tried both of the 3200 and 3600 b-die kits overclocked to 3800 and it made no difference. Pretty much the same for the HTPC with the 10700k and 3080. That being said, graphics isn't my issue with CP2077 anyways and I've shifted my focus to the PS5.

 

[maluckey1]

That's not true at 4k. The difference between 3200-3800 on Zen3 once you go to dual rank is nothing except for a few edge cases. Wendell had a pretty good video showing the difference. I have tried both of the 3200 and 3600 b-die kits overclocked to 3800 and it made no difference. Pretty much the same for the HTPC with the 10700k and 3080. That being said, graphics isn't my issue with CP2077 anyways and I've shifted my focus to the PS5.

OP is talking about Intel 10700k.

Regardless of the setup, at 4k resolution and high details, RAM speed is less important because the GPU is the bottleneck (unless you have an RTX 3090). Even then, you'd still be around 80-90 FPS when details are cranked. At 1440P the 10700k and RTX 3080 isn't holding you back, but 3200 RAM is most certainly a boat anchor.

 

[AdamK47]

I actually built my HTPC around the idea of playing CP2077 on it but the game is such a disappointment that I haven't turned it on since the week of release. Even more frustrating was that an RTX3080 could not get the game to 60fps at ultra with DLSS enabled.

Chasing hype with the wallet and then watching the cash sit there and burn.

 

[CP5670]

I actually like the game a lot despite all its issues. I ignored the hype and had no expectations going in.

 

[sze5003]

I'm curious how it does in VR? Like mainly MFS2020? I also use a military flight sim that's crazy heavy on hardware. My 8700k is getting old and I just ordered myself a Reverb G2 headset.

I was thinking of waiting for the 11900 or 11700k models but who am I kidding trying to get one when those will be out. Most likely won't be available until summer anyway.

Is the 10700k or 10900 worth it to upgrade ?

Upon attempting to OC my 8700k, it's getting crazy hot and I'm now looking into changing my 240mm aio to a 360mm. Was running benches the other night and I saw the thing go to 100c. Best I could do before I got tired of benching was 4.9ghz @ 1.340v. Still temps get too hot for my liking after benching a while.

Probably doesn't help that I'm using the entho evolve atx tempered glass case either. But it's a pain to change cases now. I've had the corsair h100 for a long time too so it could also be going bad.

 

[moonbogg]

I don't have the flight sim program, but the 10700K was a pretty good upgrade over my old 6800K. You have an 8700K which is basically a 10700K with 2 less cores. I'm not convinced you'd see much difference, especially in VR. All of those games seem to run on a single core, maybe 2. What about a 5800X? If you don't mind the $450 and can find one, just get it. Although there is a USB bug that causes timeouts, so you take a gamble there. It would suck to have your headset cut out every so often.

 

[sze5003]

I thought about going amd but you're right about the usb issues on amd boards. I've heard from a lot of people with the x570 models and other amd models, in the flight community that use the HP Reverb G2. For some it works and for others it cuts out or doesn't even detect the headset. I'd rather not run into that lottery.

I guess waiting for 11th gen, waiting for a new gpu, waiting in general.

 

[moonbogg]

Yeah that USB issue is kind of scary to be honest. That's the last thing I'd want to deal with. I don't care how fast the CPU is when the USB keep dropping out. Regarding not detecting the headset, I had that issue with my Z490 board while my X99 has zero issues with it. I had to install a USB card to run the headset on, and sometimes it still doesn't detect it, but at least I can unplug it and replug and get it to work. With the Z490 USB ports it wouldn't work at all. It's a compatibility issue with the Valve Index and certain USB manufacturers. Maybe the G2 has a similar issue. Not sure.
That said, I'd expect the GPU to be more important with the G2 given its higher resolution. I need a faster GPU as well. Looks like we're kind of screwed for a while unless we spend $2500 on an RTX 3080. I also read that AMD GPUs are a no-go for VR. All buggy and crappy and sometimes don't even work at all. So that leaves Nvidia as the only choice.

 

[CP5670]

I think a lot of the issues people report with the G2 (dropouts and stuttery tracking) are actually a result of USB problems. Some people say it gets fixed by switching the board down from PCIE 4 to 3. The G2 works great on my Z490 setup using the board's native USB type-C port. A 3090 is somewhat worth it for the G2 despite the stupid pricing right now, and gets stretched to the limit by it in many games.

 

[will889]

To answer your question no - it's not and it would not be even if you were using an I7 8700 non-k. As long as you have a half decent CPU all you really need is the GPU. You don't need K SKU's, or AMD X SKU's. For me what matters most is stability and reliability and a very good GPU with regards to gaming.

 

[moonbogg]

To answer your question no - it's not and it would not be even if you were using an I7 8700 non-k. As long as you have a half decent CPU all you really need is the GPU. You don't need K SKU's, or AMD X SKU's. For me what matters most is stability and reliability and a very good GPU with regards to gaming.

I saw some Serious Sam benchmarks where Ryzen had mins around 100 while the Intel chips had mins around 70-80. That's a big difference. I don't have this game nor do I care about it, but it's the thought that counts. This haunts me and it should haunt you too.

 

[CP5670]

That's interesting. The difference is bigger than it looks, since 100fps means a smooth refresh rate lock while 70-80fps means dropping to 45fps with reprojection.

In most VR games though, I find that the GPU is the bottleneck. Many games struggle to hit constant 90fps at the G2's default resolution despite only showing 70-80% GPU usage, but reducing the supersampling improves the performance. The CPU has much lower frametimes than the GPU in fpsVR.

 

[killster1]

I actually built my HTPC around the idea of playing CP2077 on it but the game is such a disappointment that I haven't turned it on since the week of release. Even more frustrating was that an RTX3080 could not get the game to 60fps at ultra with DLSS enabled.

you must be one of those people who cant possibly turn down the water detail or shadow blur etc. i love max rez with max gfx enabled while maintaining 90fps

 

[moonbogg]

The Serious Sam game wasn't a VR game, just the newest Serious Sam game. But still, the minimums were much better. If only the 5800X wasn't $450 and there wasn't a USB bug. That's a lot of wishing though. I like the 10700K though I must say. Just because a faster CPU exists doesn't mean this one becomes slow. It's basically a 9900K and everyone lost their minds over that CPU when it came to gaming starting at hardly 2 years ago. I can't believe the 9900K was almost $600, lol. Wow that's crazy.