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Is NVIDIA ever going to fix the scaling issue with the 8800 GTX?

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BroadbandGamer

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I think we're on the third driver since the card came out and turning off auto scaling STILL doesn't work.

What the hell is the problem? This is starting to get annoying! I don't want to scale a lower res to fit my 1920x1200 screen!! :|

Higher some more programmers NVIDIA!
 
I think we're on the third driver since the card came out and turning off auto scaling STILL doesn't work.
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Whoa, did I miss something?

The 8800 series drivers don't scale resolutions correctly?
 
Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly.. I'm playing System Shock 2 (you read that right) at 1024x768 (max resolution for the day) on my 2005FPW. Screen scales just fine at 1:1, I have black area all around, it's not trying to fill my 1680x1050 screen.

8800GTS 97.44 drivers.
 
Originally posted by: SPARTAN VI
Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly.. I'm playing System Shock 2 (you read that right) at 1024x768 (max resolution for the day) on my 2005FPW. Screen scales just fine at 1:1, I have black area all around, it's not trying to fill my 1680x1050 screen.

8800GTS 97.44 drivers.
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That depends... You might have 1:1 selected on your 2005FPW, which would handle the scaling. People with a monitor that doesn't handle scaling would need to have the video card driver handle it.

I don't worry about it. I play everything at native rez. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: SPARTAN VI
Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly.. I'm playing System Shock 2 (you read that right) at 1024x768 (max resolution for the day) on my 2005FPW. Screen scales just fine at 1:1, I have black area all around, it's not trying to fill my 1680x1050 screen.

8800GTS 97.44 drivers.
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That depends... You might have 1:1 selected on your 2005FPW, which would handle the scaling. People with a monitor that doesn't handle scaling would need to have the video card driver handle it.

I don't worry about it. I play everything at native rez. 🙂
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Got it. I'd play at native too if SS2 could do it. 🙂

Wierd playing at 1024x768 with 16xMSAA! 😀
 
Originally posted by: SPARTAN VI
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: SPARTAN VI
Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly.. I'm playing System Shock 2 (you read that right) at 1024x768 (max resolution for the day) on my 2005FPW. Screen scales just fine at 1:1, I have black area all around, it's not trying to fill my 1680x1050 screen.

8800GTS 97.44 drivers.
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That depends... You might have 1:1 selected on your 2005FPW, which would handle the scaling. People with a monitor that doesn't handle scaling would need to have the video card driver handle it.

I don't worry about it. I play everything at native rez. 🙂
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Got it. I'd play at native too if SS2 could do it. 🙂

Wierd playing at 1024x768 with 16xMSAA! 😀
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The card doesn't do 16xMSAA.

It does 16xQ which is 8xMSAA+16xCSAA.
Or 16x which is 4xMSAA+16xCSAA.

And I can't really test the scaling issue on my monitor anyway since the VX2025wm NEVER scaled correctly on ANY nvidia card.
It's a Viewsonic issue though so I'm not blaming nvidia 😛
 
Here's the problem. If you go into NVIDIA Control Panel/Display/Change flat panel scaling and select Do not scale then hit Apply, close NVIDIA Control Panel. Now when you go back into Change flat Panel Scaling it's back to the default Use NVIDIA scaling. Basically it won't save your selection.

I don't want to scale lower resoutions to fit my monitor and until NVIDIA fixes this I'm stuck with playing at 1920x1200 or scaling the resolution which I can't stand.
 
Originally posted by: wizboy11
Originally posted by: SPARTAN VI
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: SPARTAN VI
Maybe I'm not understanding this correctly.. I'm playing System Shock 2 (you read that right) at 1024x768 (max resolution for the day) on my 2005FPW. Screen scales just fine at 1:1, I have black area all around, it's not trying to fill my 1680x1050 screen.

8800GTS 97.44 drivers.
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That depends... You might have 1:1 selected on your 2005FPW, which would handle the scaling. People with a monitor that doesn't handle scaling would need to have the video card driver handle it.

I don't worry about it. I play everything at native rez. 🙂
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Got it. I'd play at native too if SS2 could do it. 🙂

Wierd playing at 1024x768 with 16xMSAA! 😀
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The card doesn't do 16xMSAA.

It does 16xQ which is 8xMSAA+16xCSAA.
Or 16x which is 4xMSAA+16xCSAA.

And I can't really test the scaling issue on my monitor anyway since the VX2025wm NEVER scaled correctly on ANY nvidia card.
It's a Viewsonic issue though so I'm not blaming nvidia 😛
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All I know is that in the nvidia CP, I selected "16xAA" and then selected "multisampling." 🙂

And what's CSAA? It debuted with the G80, correct?
 
Originally posted by: sm8000
I see you have a 2407. On my 2405 the OSD can turn scaling on or off. Have you tried that?
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For some reason I can't change my display to 1:1. It's on Fill and it doesn't let me select the other options.

Plus, I think NVIDIA's default setting overrides the monitor setting.
 
That's weird, I'll have a look at mine when I get home. Maybe I'm imagining things. For the record I am using a Radeon, but that shouldn't matter to the OSD.
 
Originally posted by: sm8000
That's weird, I'll have a look at mine when I get home. Maybe I'm imagining things. For the record I am using a Radeon, but that shouldn't matter to the OSD.
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Just checked and yes, the scaling options are disabled on DVI. They're enabled on component, and perhaps on VGA too.
 
Originally posted by: BFG10K
It does 16xQ which is 8xMSAA+16xCSAA.
Or 16x which is 4xMSAA+16xCSAA.
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No. 16xQ is 8xMSAA + 8xCSAA and 16x is 4xMSAA+12xCSAA.
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You sure?
nHancer says what I said.

And so does Techreport review of the 8800GTS.

Says the same thing on Rage3d's review.

Under 16x:
Stored Color/Z Samples=4
Coverage Samples=16

Under 16xQ:
Stored Color/Z Samples=8
Coverage Samples=16

Unless I missed something...

The one thing I wasn't aware of is that 8xQ which has 8xMSAA actually also has 8xCSAA. Never new that 😛
So, the 16xQ that your stating is actually the 8xQ (8xMSAA+8xCSAA)?
And I don't know were you got the 16x numbers from.

Edit:
As I look at the charts it's occurred to me I have no idea if I'm reading them right...
So sorry if I'm wrong but please correct me if I am wrong.

Also says the same thing on Nvidia's web site:
http://developer.nvidia.com/object/coverage-sampled-aa.html
 
You're reading the charts wrong because they refer to MSAA as coverage samples as well and hence the confusion.

The one thing I wasn't aware of is that 8xQ which has 8xMSAA actually also has 8xCSAA
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No, 8xQ is a perfect example of what I mean. 8xQ is 8x MSAA + 0xCSAA but they refer to it as having 8 coverage samples because they include MSAA as "coverage".

Think about it, if 8xQ was 8xMSAA + 8xCSAA then that would be a total of 16 samples.

In fact 8xMSAA + 8xCSAA is actually 16xQ.
 
One other thing, look at the nVidia screenshot you linked to where they show 16xCSAA.

Count the samples in the blue square and you'll see there are 16 of them.

4 of them are MSAA (hence four colors are stored) which means the rest of them must be CSAA.

16 - 4 is 12.

Thus 16x is 4xMSAA + 12xCSAA which is what I said earlier.
 
Why has this thread become a MSAA debate? I thought it was supposed to be about nVidia and their lack of concern about the 8800 driver for XP.

They have broken the Flat Panel Scaling option in every driver past v96.89. SHAME ON YOU, nVIDIA!

I have a 37" Sceptre driven by an eVga 8800GTS and at 1920x1080 with the newest driver v97.92, the scaling is so bad it looks like the text is shivering!

I finally found a post elsewhere that suggested using driver v96.89.
I downloaded it from Guru3D...installed it...and without doing ANYTHING else the scaling was fixed. Perfect display. Static, stable beautiful text with no overscan or anything!

nVidia has apparantely given up on XP drivers for the 8800 series. I tried the card in my Vista machine with the new Vista driver v100.65 and there are no issues with scaling.

[Rant On]
ATTENTION nVIDIA!
FIX YOUR GARBAGE XP DRIVERS!
[Rant Off]
 
Originally posted by: Boobers
Why has this thread become a MSAA debate? I thought it was supposed to be about nVidia and their lack of concern about the 8800 driver for XP.

They have broken the Flat Panel Scaling option in every driver past v96.89. SHAME ON YOU, nVIDIA!

I have a 37" Sceptre driven by an eVga 8800GTS and at 1920x1080 with the newest driver v97.92, the scaling is so bad it looks like the text is shivering!

I finally found a post elsewhere that suggested using driver v96.89.
I downloaded it from Guru3D...installed it...and without doing ANYTHING else the scaling was fixed. Perfect display. Static, stable beautiful text with no overscan or anything!

nVidia has apparantely given up on XP drivers for the 8800 series. I tried the card in my Vista machine with the new Vista driver v100.65 and there are no issues with scaling.

[Rant On]
ATTENTION nVIDIA!
FIX YOUR GARBAGE XP DRIVERS!
[Rant Off]
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8800 Series XP Drivers are coming, they just have bigger fish to fry with Vista.
 
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