Is now a good time to buy a Intel Core i7-7700K Kaby Lake or should I wait?

[Arachnotronic]

If the i7700K sells for $350, then I would think Intel would charge at least $400 for a 6 core CFL.

If AMD weren't around with Ryzen, then they probably would have charged $500+ for 6 core CFL.

Intel might sell a 6c6T for $350 and the 6c12T for $400 and push the 4c8T down to $270ish.

Nah. 6C/12T @ the same price as 7700K, 6C/6T at same price as 7600K, etc. That's my guess anyway.

 

[aigomorla]

u guys can all dream about those prices.

intel has always overpriced the top tier on anything because they can, and they will continue to do so.

So you guys really think they are gonna price coffeelake 6c/12t @ 350 when the closest chip to is a 6800k priced at over 400?

On top if the CF has base clocks of 3.6ghz turbo 4.0 ish, which will probably edge it close to 6850k @ 600...

...

Can i join the bus you guys are on to be dreaming such things?
Do i need to follow a white rabbit down a deep hole to get there?

 

[dullard]

If the i7700K sells for $350, then I would think Intel would charge at least $400 for a 6 core CFL.

If AMD weren't around with Ryzen, then they probably would have charged $500+ for 6 core CFL.

Intel might sell a 6c6T for $350 and the 6c12T for $400 and push the 4c8T down to $270ish.

For most of Intel's history, when a new processor comes out, it slots into the same price as the processor that it replaced.

Thus the top Coffee Lake will likely sell at the same price (~$350 at launch) as the other top i7 processors:

• Kaby Lake 7700K ($350 at launch),
• Skylake 6700K ($340 at launch),
• Broadwell 5775C ($366 at launch),
• Haswell 4790K ($340 at launch),
• Ivy Bridge 3770K ($332 at launch),
• Sandy Bridge 2700K ($332 at launch), etc.

Also, why do you think Intel would charge $500+ for 6 cores? The 6 core i7 Extreme 5820K was $389 at launch, and the 6 core 6800K was $434 at launch (selling usually at ~$390).

 

[Arachnotronic]

u guys can all dream about those prices.

intel has always overpriced the top tier on anything because they can, and they will continue to do so.

So you guys really think they are gonna price coffeelake 6c/12t @ 350 when the closest chip to is a 6800k priced at over 400?

6800K is a HEDT chip based on a server die that is itself more expensive to make, with more expensive packaging & test costs and more PCI lanes aimed to be used in an expensive platform.

On top if the CF has base clocks of 3.6ghz turbo 4.0 ish, which will probably edge it close to 6850k @ 600...

6850K will be long replaced by the time CFL-S comes out.

 

[w3rd]

The problem with Coffee Lake, is it's platform.

I don't see many new system builders in mid-2017 putting money into a end-of-line, LGA1151 system. And not to many people will be able to even upgrade their current system, to Coffee.

So realistically, the only two viable platforms for consumers is socket 2066, or AM4.



To me, the announcement of Coffee was a publicity stunt. Not viable option for a consumer.

 

[zinfamous]

honestly getting a Ryzen 5 1600/1600X with x350 mobo is a great value proposition at the moment. You can always upgrade in a year or 2 to a refreshed Ryzen 5 or even Ryzen 7 with 8 cores (it is not yet known, iirc, if 10+core Ryzens will be available for AM4), on the same mobo. You're invested for several years, at incredible value/performance now, and every year forward for at least 4 years with AM4.

Going 4 core today is just a terrible idea.

 

[CHADBOGA]

The problem with Coffee Lake, is it's platform.

I don't see many new system builders in mid-2017 putting money into a end-of-line, LGA1151 system. And not to many people will be able to even upgrade their current system, to Coffee.

So realistically, the only two viable platforms for consumers is socket 2066, or AM4.



To me, the announcement of Coffee was a publicity stunt. Not viable option for a consumer.

LOL Don't be ridiculous.

There will be new LGA1151 motherboards with a new chipset to go with it, it also looks like it will work fine in the latest LGA1151 motherboards too.

If Intel prices CFL at 7700K/7600K prices, then it will sell like hotcakes.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Nah. 6C/12T @ the same price as 7700K, 6C/6T at same price as 7600K, etc. That's my guess anyway.

Hey, I don't think that is an unreasonable prediction at all, but my biggest problem with that is that a 6C6T is a much more appealing 7600K type processor compared to a 6C12T 7700K type processor, that I think Intel would sell far more "7600K" processors at the expense of the dearer "7700K" processor, than is currently the case, thus hurting their ASP's.

 

[CHADBOGA]

For most of Intel's history, when a new processor comes out, it slots into the same price as the processor that it replaced.

Thus the top Coffee Lake will likely sell at the same price (~$350 at launch) as the other top i7 processors:

• Kaby Lake 7700K ($350 at launch),
• Skylake 6700K ($340 at launch),
• Broadwell 5775C ($366 at launch),
• Haswell 4790K ($340 at launch),
• Ivy Bridge 3770K ($332 at launch),
• Sandy Bridge 2700K ($332 at launch), etc.

I know the history, but getting 50% more cores and comparable clockspeed is such an improvement, I can't help but feel Intel will want to re-jig their pricing a bit.

Also, why do you think Intel would charge $500+ for 6 cores? The 6 core i7 Extreme 5820K was $389 at launch, and the 6 core 6800K was $434 at launch (selling usually at ~$390).

Intel has always been able to command a price premium over AMD for comparable chips, so I am taking the pricing of Ryzen 1800x as a guide.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Hey, I don't think that is an unreasonable prediction at all, but my biggest problem with that is that a 6C6T is a much more appealing 7600K type processor compared to a 6C12T 7700K type processor, that I think Intel would sell far more "7600K" processors at the expense of the dearer "7700K" processor, than is currently the case, thus hurting their ASP's.

I think Intel's main priority is to make sure that it doesn't lose market share to AMD in the desktop market (and to the ARMy in data center/low-power notebooks). It is much better to see a "mix down" from a 6C/12T -> 6C/6T in your own portfolio than to lose the sale entirely.

Also, most processors are sold as part of pre-built computers, the DIY market is very, very small. People tend to buy based on system features, chip branding (people are well trained to know i7 > i5 > i3), and other features that have very little to do with actual performance/features. The key for Intel is to keep the OEMs happy by offering them superior processors so that those OEMs can build compelling systems.

 

[tential]

I can with 100% confidence say that Coffelake 6T/12T will be the best gaming processor of 2017.

It will be worth getting. The high end i7 consumer level processor from intel has been for a long time now.

 

[CHADBOGA]

I can with 100% confidence say that Coffelake 6T/12T will be the best gaming processor of 2017.

Skylake-X might disagree with you there.

 

[itsmydamnation]

Skylake-X might disagree with you there.

nar i think he is right, skylake-x is unlikely to clock as high, AVX-512 is of no benefit. But i dont agree it will be worth getting unless intel have a price adjustment.

The key for Intel is to keep the OEMs happy by offering them superior processors so that those OEMs can build compelling systems.

I wonder how much LGA costs compared to uPGA to those system makers?

 

[CHADBOGA]

nar i think he is right, skylake-x is unlikely to clock as high, AVX-512 is of no benefit. But i dont agree it will be worth getting unless intel have a price adjustment.

I'm going off a bit of information which suggested that the improved cache of Skylake-X meant that the 6 core versions were able to beat the 8 core Broadwell versions in multi-threaded applications.

 

[coercitiv]

I think Intel's main priority is to make sure that it doesn't lose market share to AMD in the desktop market (and to the ARMy in data center/low-power notebooks). It is much better to see a "mix down" from a 6C/12T -> 6C/6T in your own portfolio than to lose the sale entirely.

This is a good point, but it also highlights a contradiction in what's being discussed here in regard to pricing: some have expressed their conviction that the 50% increase in core count will prompt Intel to ask for some kind of premium over 4c/8t. While I can see the reasoning behind this even with the current competition from AMD, the argument starts to look strange once i5 also gets 6 cores, since that would imply top i5 also demands a price premium. (otherwise pricing delta between i5 > i7 becomes ridiculous)

People are trained to know the branding indeed, and once new OEM systems using CFL i5 become as expensinve as "old" system with KBL i7, they're gonna have a really hard time understanding what's going on.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Skylake-X might disagree with you there.

I think Skylake-X's 1MB of L2$ will be very helpful in games, but Coffee Lake will have the advantage of higher frequency potential, IMHO.

I think CFL-S will be the best gaming processor choice overall, but Skylake-X will be a sexy piece of hardware.

 

[CHADBOGA]

I think Skylake-X's 1MB of L2$ will be very helpful in games, but Coffee Lake will have the advantage of higher frequency potential, IMHO.

I think CFL-S will be the best gaming processor choice overall, but Skylake-X will be a sexy piece of hardware.

If Skylake-X is going to be more expensive than CFL, who would buy the 6 core version if CFL 6 core is faster?

 

[Arachnotronic]

If Skylake-X is going to be more expensive than CFL, who would buy the 6 core version if CFL 6 core is faster?

Skylake-X should be earlier to market, and even once CFL drops, Skylake-X should have the advantage of better perf/clock, a more upgradable platform, more PCIe lanes, and so on.

Personally, I'm going with CFL-S and skipping Skylake-X, but I already have a nice Z270 board that I don't want to rip and replace. If I were building from scratch, I'd be mighty tempted by the Skylake-X knowing that I could pop in interesting future chips.

 

[DrMrLordX]

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Intel might sell a 6c6T for $350 and the 6c12T for $400 and push the 4c8T down to $270ish.

$270 for 4c/8t Coffeelake sounds rational.

It seems to me that the worry about 6700K v 7700K v Coffee Lake is inversely proportional to the age of your existing system. If I was using 5-year-old technology, I wouldn't have much in either hesitation or regrets for a 6700K or 7700K. It's nice to get the latest-greatest. And it's also nice to know you can replace a Skylake with a Kaby after a BIOS flash. So what's the hurry?

Well, it's like this . . .

Buy i7-7700k for $350 (or more) now, or buy 4c/8t k-class Coffeelake at same or higher base clockspeed/turbo for $250-$300 later (August). Or buy 7700k for $250 (or less) after Coffeelake drives down its market value in August.

Take your pick.

 

[jpiniero]

My guess is that Intel is going to stop producing 7700Ks pretty quickly if they have not already done so; and simply turn them into regular 7700s. So by the time Coffee Lake is released you likely won't be able to find one.

 

[vissarix]

The best move would be to wait a bit...Skylake X and Coffelake will get released in few months and will be really interesting...

Coffelake will overclock higher around 5ghz and have a low price $350-$400 for the 6 core 12 threads version.

Skylake X will overclock a bit lower perhaps around 4.8ghz but has 1MB L2 cache and lets see if that improves performance...around $400 for the 6 core 12 threads version.

 

[Gikaseixas]

For most of Intel's history, when a new processor comes out, it slots into the same price as the processor that it replaced.

Thus the top Coffee Lake will likely sell at the same price (~$350 at launch) as the other top i7 processors:

• Kaby Lake 7700K ($350 at launch),
• Skylake 6700K ($340 at launch),
• Broadwell 5775C ($366 at launch),
• Haswell 4790K ($340 at launch),
• Ivy Bridge 3770K ($332 at launch),
• Sandy Bridge 2700K ($332 at launch), etc.

Also, why do you think Intel would charge $500+ for 6 cores? The 6 core i7 Extreme 5820K was $389 at launch, and the 6 core 6800K was $434 at launch (selling usually at ~$390).

Intel needs to be clever and price it at $400. People will buy it if it can reach 4.8ghz on all 6 cores.... reasonable price to pay for a chip that could trade blows or even beat Ryzen 1800X

That would force AMD to speed up a new step that can overclock to at least 4.4ghz - win win for everyone

 

[tential]

Intel needs to be clever and price it at $400. People will buy it if it can reach 4.8ghz on all 6 cores.... reasonable price to pay for a chip that could trade blows or even beat Ryzen 1800X

That would force AMD to speed up a new step that can overclock to at least 4.4ghz - win win for everyone

In what world was Intels current hexacore not beating Ryzen 1800x?

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[DrMrLordX]

In what world was Intels current hexacore not beating Ryzen 1800x?

You mean the 6800k? This world?!?

 

[LTC8K6]

I can with 100% confidence say that Coffelake 6T/12T will be the best gaming processor of 2017.

It will be worth getting. The high end i7 consumer level processor from intel has been for a long time now.

I would bet on the 6C6T chip. It should be cheaper, and HT wasn't doing a whole lot for gaming, iirc.