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Is my Winfast TV 2000/XP TV/FM tuner compatible with Windows Media Center 2005?

bupkus

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Is my LeadTek Winfast TV 2000/XP TV/FM tuner compatible with Windows Media Center 2005?


So far I don't like the way this turner works on Windows XP Pro. It's slightly stop and go (jerky) so I just gave up. Now I have a copy of MS"s Windows XP Media Center and I'd like to install it into an older PC I have here.
 
I think that only cards that have onboard mpeg2 encoders are supported by MCE 2005, except maybe some ATI stuff that has a software encoding support as a add-on from ATI. Am I correct?

The Leadfast 2000 is only a tv tuner, and doesn't include a hardware based encoder doesn't it?

Which explains why it would be a bit jerky in WinXP. If your using PVR software you have to use a software encoder, (usually Divx if your using Windows) your going to have high CPU usage.

You can use it for mythtv, though. It supports software encoding for PVR capabilities if you machine is fast enough. (Usually around 1.5ghz or so.) (also Mythtv can be very daunting to setup if your not a regular Linux user.)
 
That's a fairly nice video card. It doesn't do hardware encoding though.

It's based on the BT878 chipset which is VERY common for tv tuner cards of this type. I have a similar one, a ATI Wonder VE (not vid card. ATI All-in-one video/tv tuner combo cards use different things completely), but yours is a lot nicer. I don't have stereo sound or FM radio capabilities, for instance. They are fairly older chipset and it's slowly being fazed out by a conextent chipset. However with the rise of PVR stuff hardware encoding cards are going to get much more popular.

I could never get mine working worth a crap in WinXP. This was due to conflicts between my ATI drivers and my Nvidia video card. Now I think that it was done on purpose. I dual booted Linux and Winxp for a little while, and it worked flawlessly in Linux.

Yours should work great in WinXP, though. Maybe try upgrading the drivers or software, or use a different playback tool. If your using a PVR-type software (I noticed that some Winfast cards have bundled pvr-like software) it could be crappy encoding/decoding codecs that are hurting you. If that seems the case and your hitting 100% cpu usage a lot try just straight playback.

Also check out this project. I sometimes use TVTime in Linux, and it uses some software from DScalar, otherwise DScalar is Windows-only (never used it myself though). It does just straight playback (no PVR functions), but performs some operations to deinterlace the image and improve image quality. Your card should be supported by that. Watch that cpu usage...

What are the specs of the machine that your planning on installing it into if you going to move it to a different machine?
 
Is my LeadTek Winfast TV 2000/XP TV/FM tuner compatible with Windows Media Center 2005?

Not supported in MCE 2005. MCE 2005 is a poor choice for an older PC as well, its more suited for a new build with specific components rather than an add-on for an older PC turned PVR.
 
drag,
I was thinking of installing it into either an Epox EP98K5A2+ with a 2.0GHz Barton or a <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-139-144&amp;depa=1">
SOYO SY-P4I865PE Plus DRAGON 2 V1.0</a> with a Celeron-D 325. Either would have either 512MB of PC2700 or 1024MB if I have the modules.
Would either of these make the grade? So far they're ok for a TV but not very good on the playback which is what I really want to have on my planned new big screen. I wish I knew what minimal hardware to get if I really wanted to build a set-top system using Windows Media Center 2005 and those extensions.
 
Either one would be fine.

Before I tore all my PC's apart, this is what I used for Mythtv:
Mythtv Backend/Desktop/Gaming machine:
Debian Linux (Sid)
120gig and 80gig WD 8meg "special editions"
1gig ram, 400mhz (ddr, underclocked for a 133mhz buss.)
2400+ AMD.
ATI Wonder VE
WinPVR-250 (hardware mpeg2 + tv tuner)
(with 2 encoder cards I could do stuff like PIP stuff, and record shows while I watched on a different channel. Mythtv supports multiple front ends and multiple back ends with multiple video cards. MCE, I beleive, only supports one or maybe 2 cards)

For my front-end I used:
Fedora Core2
256megs sdram
4gig harddrive
800mhz celeron
With a nvidia Geforce 420MX with Tv-out

You should buy a WinPVR-250 or 350. These guys are the premier PVR for regular SD (normal TV resolutions)PVR stuff.

Now the next most important thing besides the tv card/mpeg2 encoder is the harddrive. This is how a PVR time-shifter works:
cable ---> tuner ---> mpeg2 hardware encoder ---> media file on harddrive ---> program plays mpeg2 file ---> decode mpeg2 ---> display and you control playback and have fastforward, pause, and rewind just like on any other media player.


So for high quality your going to be writing to the harddrive and reading back from the harddrive at the same time. This takes a fairly fast harddrive.

Also harddrive capacity is important. A 1 hour show in high quality mpeg2 format can take a few gigs. The same thing encoded into mpeg4 compressed format will take up maybe half to a third depending on quality.

I suggest getting a big 200 or 250 gig harddrive at 7200rpm and 8meg cache. Should be fast enough and big enough to store quite a bit of shows. If you have the money, and if MCE allows it, you can get a fast 10,000rpm harddrive for active use and use the a larger slower harddrive for longer term storage. That will improve seek time and such. (mpeg2 files generally have crappy seeking ability vs other uncompressed video file formats.)

Then after that the cpu doesn't matter so much, nor does the memory (although that stuff helps). The hardware encoder on the tv card takes the brunt of load off of the cpu. And decoding mpeg2/4 doesn't take nearly as much power as encoding it. My 800mhz celeron handled decoding mpeg2 just fine.

For some terms:
mpeg2 = this is a standard digital video media broadcast and display format. This is what dvd movies are encoded in, this is what digital television is encoded in. This is what digital satillite is encoded in.
Note that HDTV ISN'T the same as digital media. HDTV can be analog or digital.

Mpeg4 = this is a standard high-compression file format. This is what .avi files are typically encoded in. Divx is a popular mpeg4 encoder, Xvid is a open source alternative. I prefer to use mpeg4 encoder from libavcodec, which is superior in speed and quality and file sizes to Xvid and Dvix.

mpeg2 hardware encoder = uses circuitry to encode mpeg2 media with very little cpu usage.

Unfortunatly MCE only can use hardware encoding cards, with the exception of maybe ATI ALL-in-Wonder cards with a add-on package that will do the encoding in software.

Otherwise those machines you outlined will be great. Plenty fast and shouldn't have any quality issues with anything.
 
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