is MSI a bad mobo manufacturer ?

[Vee]

I don't pay much attention to all this brand this or that anymore.
It does seem to me, Asus have had their act more consistently together, for a long time, than any other brand. OTOH, Asus is the only brand I've ever had any real trouble with. Anything can happen...
I've never had any trouble with MSI. My experience is limited to one, though. Also I do have a friend who had problems with his MSI. Anything can happen...

One just have to take one's chances. I used to do Asus and Abit when I was still on Intel. Now, with AMD, it's been mostly EPoX (both VIA and nForce), for some reason. No real brand loyalty, just fitting my requirements, good price and good local availability.

As someone else already hinted, I think one has to consider the individual board, not the manufacturer.
I'm used to having mobos working ok, so I'm not scared of any brand.
Also, I was fortunately on Intel only systems, in those days when VIA seem to have made a mess of it, for AMD users .

...It may be, some persons are a bit too sloppy with static charge, and don't always meticulously equalize the potential...
(Now, I've probably said enough to typically bring me all kinds of hell, on my next project. :shocked: )

And Dell's mobos these days, aren't they manufactured by PCchips?

 

[Arcanedeath]

With MSI it's hit or miss they make some pretty good boards, but their QC is horrible, customer support non existant and many of their models are just plain awful, personaly I will never use another MSI motherboard again, after the diaster that was their orginal KT266 model board. I had 3 die on me within 6 months and the distrib. that I purchased the board from went out of business and MSI would not stand behind their faulty product. I replaced it w/ a K7S5A thats still running to this day and we all know how Bad ECS is.... lol

 

[DerwenArtos12]

I personally don't like MSI. I haven't had one fail on me but they have never met my expectations. Personally I woudl much prefer getting a DFI. I have built 8 or so computers with different DFI boards from their most budget things to teh infinity and lanparty boards. I currently have one of the Neo Platinums for s754 and though it functions it doesn't overclock worth a damn and has major incompatibility probles with some geil ram I got for it.

 

[Kaieye]

I bought one socket A mb from justdeals.com and it arrived with the leaking capacitor smearing this dark gooey stuff inside the anti-static bag. If MSI was smart, they should have destroyed all these mb's with the defective capacitors but they choose to sell it cheap to a salvage company to get more $$

I will not touch another MSI mb again...

 

[Skipholiday]

There all getting better

 

[Vegito]

Originally posted by: poppyq

Originally posted by: forcesho
All Dell Desktop made after 2002 were MSI, also video card.. so unless all 2002+ dells failed.. MSI would be a bad manufacture but they're not.. I only used their video card.. ordered over 200 for work desktops.

I don't know where you get your information from but Dell desktops do not use MSI motherboards. The video cards aren't either (though they may use some MSI video cards, not ALL of them are MSI).

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsS...p;pages=PR&seq=203

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/m.../display/news6345.html

Following graphics cards and server motherboards, Micro-Star International (MSI) is said to have landed desktop and notebook-use motherboard orders for 2003 from Dell Computer. According to sources, the desktop orders were released directly by Dell, while the notebook ones were outsourced by LG Electronics (LGE), one of Dell?s notebook contract manufacturers.

MSI, however, declined to comment on the news.

The new desktop motherboard orders came as little surprise, industry sources said, since MSI has already been chosen by Dell to manufacture its server motherboards, a product line that requires much more stringent standards. Dell released the server board orders to MSI earlier after it finished verification on MSI?s Shenzhen, Guangdong Province (China) factory.

Though the actual amount may still depend on overall market demand, MSI?s board shipments to Dell are expected to jump significantly in 2003, considering the larger scale of the desktop market. Meanwhile, with the orders from Dell and Hewlett-Packard (HP), MSI almost does not have to worry about how to fill its massive capacity in China next year.

In addition to the desktop boards, MSI has also reportedly landed its first notebook motherboard orders from LGE, a long-time OEM client of MSI as well as a Dell notebook contract maker. Given that MSI currently has no notebook motherboard production lines in its Taiwan and Shenzhen factories, the production is mostly likely to be run in the company?s new plant in Kunshan, near Shanghai. The Kunshan base is expected to be completed in the second quarter of 2003 and start operations in the third quarter.

 

[nick1985]

yes

 

[Vegito]

In may 2004, dell placed a huge order of pci express video cards from msi also. I believe msi is contracted to make dell mobo/video till 2006. Unless you got proof that dell doesn't..

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/v...ay/20040527125229.html

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsS...mp;pages=A7&seq=43

Micro-Star International (MSI) has received orders for next-generation PCI Express-based graphics cards from Dell, dispersing market rumors that the US vendor may switch its orders to other IT makers like Asustek Computer and Foxconn Electronics (the registered trade name of Hon Hai Precision Industry), according to market sources.

MSI, Taiwan?s largest maker of graphics cards, has been a major supplier for Dell for several years, said the sources.

Because Dell has adopted PCI Express graphics chips from ATI Technologies for some of its high-end PC models, market sources speculated that the company might switch its orders for PCI Express-based graphics cards to Asustek or Foxconn. The two Taiwan-based companies have strong business ties with ATI.

For the new orders, Dell retained the right to handle procurement of memory chips for the PCI Express VGA cards, as opposed to the previous practice of allowing MSI to purchase directly, according to the sources



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They may sell non msi video card with their bundle but it doesn't mean the stock oem isn't made by msi

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/v.../display/news6074.html

Micro-Star International (MSI) last week announced that they had manufactured approximately 11.5 million of graphics cards in 2002, outperforming the main rival ASUSTeK Computer by more than six million units. Although MSI is probably not the world?s number one graphics card maker (for instance, PC Partner, who produces graphics cards for ATI Technologies and other vendors, makes up to 1.8 million of graphics solutions monthly, while MSI makes less than 1 million), MSI is definitely the biggest manufacturer of graphics cards based on the GPUs developed by NVIDIA.
MSI supplied about 4.60 million of graphics cards in 2001 and hardly more than 1.60 million in 2000, therefore we can only amaze with their pace of expanding the graphics cards business. In fact, we even know the reason of such rapid growth: MSI has been manufacturing graphics cards for the number two computer supplier in the world beginning from June 2001 and in August 2002 MSI landed a lot of orders on graphics cards from Dell (see this news-story). Moreover, being the main NVIDIA?s manufacturing partner, MSI can offer very attractive prices, hence, receive even more orders from both OEMs and retailers, especially from Europe, where price is a very important factor these days.

MSI also predicts over 20% growth in 2003 revenues and mainboard shipments. There are also no surprises here, as Dell Computer and HP had decided to choose MSI as an outsourcing partner for the year 2003 to make mainboards (see this news-story).

It is hard to predict how MSI will perform this year, as it is not clear which graphics chip supplier will sell more GPUs in 2003 and whose market share will be larger. Currently NVIDIA can hardly compete with ATI in terms of performance (see the story about performance of the GeForce FX) and in case the forthcoming NV31 and NV34 chips will not be able to beat the ATI?s RADEON 9500, 9500PRO and the upcoming RV350, there will be hard times for NVIDIA. In this case the demand on graphics cards with the VPUs from the Santa Clara, California-based developer will decrease and MSI will either have to find itself new customers in order to continue their expansion on the graphics card market, or start producing the products powered by ATI?s processors. In the latter case they are likely to lose discounts they receive from NVIDIA.

 

[Vegito]

http://www.directron.com/msivideo.html

as claimed by directron

Micro-Star International (MSI)is one of the largest motherboard manufacturer in the world. MSI makes motherboards for all top-five system builders such as Dell, Compaq, IBM, Gateway, and HP. MSI now also offers video cards and barebone systems.

 

[Texun]

I bought my first and probably last MSI board about 3 years ago. It was stable and fairly fast as far as boards go but I started having cold start problems within a year and figured it was the caps. I went back to using ASUS and Abit and have never regretted the move.

I won't say they are all bad. ASUS is, or at least to many, considered the king of boards. I never had a serious problem with them but I've used several Abit boards since and right now I wouldn't switch to anything else for my main rig. I bought a Shuttle AN35N on impulse for my media cruncher\file server and I have to admit that it has been stone solid now for about 7 months. Not a single crash or hiccup. I like Abit and ASUS but I would have another Shuttle in a second before another MSI.

My guess is that anyone can have a bad board now and then, but I prefer to stay with what has worked for me in the past and MSI ain't it.

 

[amdguy]

Originally posted by: LordPhoenix
Asus and Abit am thx.

your post is worthless and simply biased

my MSI k8n nea has been flawless so far and i have used the very first MSI nforce 2 mobo w/o any problems

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: amdguy

Originally posted by: LordPhoenix
Asus and Abit am thx.

your post is worthless and simply biased

my MSI k8n nea has been flawless so far and i have used the very first MSI nforce 2 mobo w/o any problems

am i biased since i have used(hardly!) 3 bad MSI boards?

 

[Texun]

The timing of this is ironic