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Is Mr Obama a Socialist?
- Thread starter Siddhartha
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Of course they were. At a time their policies have clearly done so terribly, what are they going to say about Democrats, that they're the other main party? No, scare words.
Yeah, he sure appears to be; and a slimy Chicago-style empty suit piece of crap machine politician to boot.
increase the size of the government, increase governmental regulations, have the government buy stakes private businesses...
He's bringing a new US definition to the word. So far, he's basically the democrat, higher debt version of Bush. Don't like the cherry kool-aid? Try grape!
blackangst1
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If by socialist you mean the desire to grab power/services from the private sector, and to expand the role of government, then yes.
ProfJohn
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He is an European Socialist who believes in a big welfare state to help people.
Call it socialism light. You have all the big government programs, but you still have a capitalist economy under it.
I think if America ended up looking like Europe when his term was over he would be very happy.
Call it socialism light. You have all the big government programs, but you still have a capitalist economy under it.
I think if America ended up looking like Europe when his term was over he would be very happy.
Obama is not even a true liberal. Look at any progressive websites like common dreams, etc. if you doubt that.
The socialist/communist theme is of course pure rhetoric ("I want America to fail" Limbaugh et. al. ) designed to confuse the easily confused.
The socialist/communist theme is of course pure rhetoric ("I want America to fail" Limbaugh et. al. ) designed to confuse the easily confused.
MovingTarget
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I'd say that the article is pretty spot-on as far as Obama not being a socialist. I've known a few actual socialists in my time and they have expressed this exact opinion. Obama is a centrist in my opinion. A left-leaning centrist, but a centrist nonetheless. Republicans promised that with Obama we'd get a gay pink socialist unicorn, but all we got was this lousy unity pony. Hell, some have yet to realize that we have developed a mixed economy because pure capitalism has proven to be just as big a failure as pure socialism/communism(lite).
It's interesting to me to read the topics in P&N these days. So much hatred and anger coming from the right that is largely unwarranted and completely unjustified. It's troubling that there is such an undercurrent of hatred amongst Conservative America, but I'd rather see them vent their frustration on the internet than do something stupid in real life.
Back on topic, I'm not sure many people here really understand what true socialism is. If they did they would never label Obama as a socialist. The election is over, drop the stupid childish rhetoric.
Pure capitalism is definitely no ideal for this nation. We need some level of government oversight. Otherwise you end up with what just happened to our economy, a few wealthy individuals exploit the system for their own gain and everyone else is left SOL.
Back on topic, I'm not sure many people here really understand what true socialism is. If they did they would never label Obama as a socialist. The election is over, drop the stupid childish rhetoric.
Pure capitalism is definitely no ideal for this nation. We need some level of government oversight. Otherwise you end up with what just happened to our economy, a few wealthy individuals exploit the system for their own gain and everyone else is left SOL.
sandorski
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- Oct 10, 1999
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A lot on the Right are trying to get back for 8 years of Attacks from others. The vast majority of the attempts to do so are total Fail because the assumptions being taken to "prove" their points are entirely incorrect. They rarely post their misgivings or fears, instead they go straight to the assumed outcome and make declarations based upon what has yet to happen....if it ever happens.
That is what they feel the Critics of Bush did for 8 years. Problem is, that's not what the Critics of Bush did for 8 years.
'The right' is basically the bottom half of America, such as the following groups:
- The ignorant
- The exploiters
- Those who lack values
- Those who have no concern about others
- Those who latch on to the right for specific agendas the right panders to (guns, religious right)
- The bigots on non-white race, homosexuality, gender, etc. (not all bigots)
- The lazy who buy into the Republican marketing materials and don't pay attention to how little the marketing agenda is followed
- The lazy who inherit their party from spouse/family/social circle
- The armchair generals/'gimme torture' crowd
- The victims of fear mongering
- The insecure who need an alpha leader to make them feel 'strong'
- Social Darwinists/Milton Friedman followers/Ayn Rand followers
- The semi-informed people who buy into morally and/or practically weak theories (e.g. 'trickle down', or the other right-wing think tank propaganda)
The one less negative class that comes to mind are the people who want the Republican party to be something it's not. People like Kevin Phillips, John Dean, and many others who were Republicans and have left the party, are these types who have a lot of redeeming qualities and no doubt some are still in the party (Lincoln Chafee comes to mind).
But what are we going to get from this crowd in the list above? Not much - of course they're going to grunt 'socialist' at any Democratic leader and so on. They're grunters.
Ya, giving up a wealthy career in a big law firm to do community work proves that. If you were just trying to make the people who grunt 'socialist' look better, you might have.
:roll:
you look like you are a guy that just puts words together to form sentences without knowing what they actually mean.
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