Is MJ a "performance enhancing drug?"

[zinfamous]

Ya know cause MJ is a Class 1 Narcotic Federally, so why should an elected position get a pass, even tho they right now have to pass nothing?

why not, though? We apparently allow pedophile sex traffickers and avowed Nazis to sit in Congress, right?

 

[Pohemi]

I voted for Clinton and biden.

I was going to call him out as a liar and a troll, but he's gone now, thankfully.

MJ isn't performance enhancing but she might have been using it to calm down after performance enhancing stimulants, or 'roids during training.

Don't be special-in-the-head, we just got rid of Matt.

MJ can indeed be used to relieve stress and anxiety, and help you to relax. I wouldn't argue against that aspect, and that's already been agreed upon by myself and others in this same thread.

It does NOT, "calm you down after PE stims/'roids/etc" or do anything to "cover" the use of actual PEDs when tested for them.

That's an entirely ridiculous statement, maybe the worst that's been made in this thread so far, lol.

 

[hal2kilo]

Since there are no sexual events in the Olympics, the answer is no.

 

[MrSquished]

I can't imagine the amount of executives, managers and salesmen doing rails of coke for fun and facing no repercussions for it.

It just happens to be a drug of choice among white males.

 

[Muse]

I saw a story on the news last night that Sha'Carri's now disqualified from any participation in the Olympics. When the story broke they were saying that the suspension was for 30 days and that she'd be qualified to run in the 4x 100meter relay, which is after her 30 day suspension will end. What changed?

Another question: I believe I heard that it was the IOC's rule, not American. Is that true?

 

[woolfe9998]

I saw a story on the news last night that Sha'Carri's now disqualified from any participation in the Olympics. When the story broke they were saying that the suspension was for 30 days and that she'd be qualified to run in the 4x 100meter relay, which is after her 30 day suspension will end. What changed?

From what I read, they left her off the roster for the relay. She had finished 5th in the trials, the top 4 got an automatic slot, and there were two discretionary slots. She didn't get one. They tapped the 6th and 7th place finishers instead. This decision is not from IOC. It's from the US team. No reason is given in the articles I've read.

Another question: I believe I heard that it was the IOC's rule, not American. Is that true?

The 30 day ban, yes. Leaving her off the relay was an American decision.

 

[Muse]

From what I read, they left her off the roster for the relay. She had finished 5th in the trials, the top 4 got an automatic slot, and there were two discretionary slots. She didn't get one. They tapped the 6th and 7th place finishers instead. This decision is not from IOC. It's from the US team. No reason is given in the articles I've read.



The 30 day ban, yes. Leaving her off the relay was an American decision.

Very very stupid decision. Sha'Carri, in the 100m final broke slowly out of the blocks, her first 40m had her yards behind the leaders but she ran everybody down and left them eating her dust as she crossed the finish line with arms over her head in exultation. Point is, her top track speed is much greater than any other American woman. The relay doesn't reward fast starts except for the first leg. The other 3 runners get a running start. Therefore, Sha'Carri Richardson would be the perfect 4x 100 relay runner, the best the USA could find at this time.

People should be up in arms at the AOC decision. It had to be political, it has nothing to do with what she'd bring to the race because she's flat out the fastest American woman, no question. Chock it up to anti-drug bias, there's no other possibility, unless the long orange hair rankled people on the committee, can't rule that out.

 

[woolfe9998]

Very very stupid decision. Sha'Carri, in the 100m final broke slowly out of the blocks, her first 40m had her yards behind the leaders but she ran everybody down and left them eating her dust as she crossed the finish line with arms over her head in exultation. Point is, her top track speed is much greater than any other American woman. The relay doesn't reward fast starts except for the first leg. The other 3 runners get a running start. Sha'Carri would be the perfect 4x 100 relay runner. People should be up in arms at the AOC decision. It had to be political, it has nothing to do with what she'd bring to the race because she's flat out the fastest American woman, no question. Chock it up to anti-drug bias, there's no other possibility, unless the long orange hair rankled people on the committee, can't rule that out.

Yes it was an odd decision, given that she wasn't precluded from the event by IOC, and she has lots of sympathy from people over being banned from her main event over something largely trivial. It's frustrating that the articles do not quote anyone giving a reason for the decision.

 

[Ajay]

I was going to call him out as a liar and a troll, but he's gone now, thankfully.

What happened to him? I wish there was a list of members banned an why.

 

[woolfe9998]

What happened to him? I wish there was a list of members banned an why.

Doesn't say "banned" next to his name. No evidence of mod intervention in relation to any of his posts. He probably deleted his account.

 

[kt]

Since there are no sexual events in the Olympics, the answer is no.

I guess you've never heard of the Olympics sex fest?

 

[hal2kilo]

I guess you've never heard of the Olympics sex fest?

You mean from Bananas? (The Woody Allen movie)

 

[Muse]

I guess you've never heard of the Olympics sex fest?

I hear they pass out thousands of condoms.

 

[Pohemi]

Doesn't say "banned" next to his name. No evidence of mod intervention in relation to any of his posts. He probably deleted his account.

It's okay though...whichever resident troll it was can always just create another new one.

 

[DaaQ]

It's okay though...whichever resident troll it was can always just create another new one.

SO the strikethrough in the screen name means they deleted?

I suspect a new account with something about the last word was created.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

From a purely personal, anecdotal perspective weed has an extremely potent analgesic effect on me. It's literally the best painkiller I have ever used in my life bar the really heavy surgical stuff.

A pretty commong routine for me in my college days was to hit the gym in the evenings for *hours* then go back to my appartment and blaze a shorty. Pain would literally *melt* off my body, like it would leave my muscles and flow into the floor. It was unbelievable.

I'd sit down with some chicken and rice and just vibe for the rest of the evening. Deepest sleep I ever had too.

Was in the most absurdly good shape of my entire life, it blows my mind even thinking back on it.

Can totally see how MJ can be "performance enhancing" from a training standpoint, and maybe even possibly in competition. Real bummer for MJ is it's eternal Achilles heel: even if you smoked/consumed it a couple weeks ago it can still show up in standard tests while many other more insidious doping drugs can slide under the radar after a few days, which kinda sucks.

 

[Viper1j]

So probably most of you have read that America's best female 100 meter race runner - Sha'Carri Richardson - was banned from competing in the event because she tested positive for MJ.

U.S. sprinter Sha'Carri Richardson suspended for one month after failed drug test

"This will be the last time the Olympics don’t see Sha’Carri Richardson," she said Friday during an exclusive interview on NBC's "TODAY" show.

www.nbcnews.com

AFAIK there are no studies suggesting that MJ use enhances performance. There is no basis in science, fact or logic for this rule. Biden's comment was "rules are rules" which I don't think is terribly helpful.

It's time these institutions jettison archaic rules empowering them to act like paternalistic morality police. The banning was totally unfair to the athlete and the US. A serious examination and re-thinking of these rules is in order.

I want to see someone declare marijuana a "performance ENHANCING" drug, while keeping a straight face. Pot enhances many things, colors, appetites, and sometimes sounds. But it will NEVER enhance "performance", unless you're in a Twinkie eating contest.

 

[dlerious]

MJ isn't performance enhancing but she might have been using it to calm down after performance enhancing stimulants, or 'roids during training.

I have no sympathy, she should have known better and yes, rules are rules. You want to use MJ? Accept the consequences.

Doubtful. They would've detected those other substances and given her a more severe punishment.

 

[zinfamous]

What happened to him? I wish there was a list of members banned an why.

strikethrough = request to delete account, I think. It can be restored. Remember that old dude last year that made an account and pretty much spent all his posting informing the world about how awesome weed is and how he was the greatest weed smoker ever, after he had just started smoking a few weeks before, ~50 some years into living on the planet? Oh, and all the mystical weird druid god stuff. all the time. He deleted/restored his account several times.

I think this Matt dude was angry that he didn't find a forum that was amenable to retarded and sociopathic GOP claptrap. He thought he could Newsmax this place.

 

[Muse]

Doubtful. They would've detected those other substances and given her a more severe punishment.

Her biological mother died about a week before the Olympic Trials. She said she used in order to to stabilize herself emotionally due to this and that she was aware that it could be a problem but chose to do it and she apologized to her fans. This is publically known.

 

[mindless1]

MJ can indeed be used to relieve stress and anxiety, and help you to relax. I wouldn't argue against that aspect, and that's already been agreed upon by myself and others in this same thread.

It does NOT, "calm you down after PE stims/'roids/etc"

That's exactly what relieving stress and anxiety is, but in this case chemically induced rather than emotional/situational, but if you use MJ for emotional/situational, that in no way makes it more acceptable instead of a terrible crutch that keeps you from dealing with reality.

or do anything to "cover" the use of actual PEDs when tested for them.

Never claimed that, do you have a reading comprehension problem?

That's an entirely ridiculous statement, maybe the worst that's been made in this thread so far, lol.

If you make up fiction someone else didn't write in order to pretend you have a counter-argument, yes that is entirely ridiculous.

 

[MrSquished]

I'd say marijuana enhances the performance of small government right wingers looking like the hypocritical assholes they are trying to keep it illegal

 

[mindless1]

^ That's a hilarious double-standard, and contrary to any common sense except for isolated examples, contrasted with the larger examples otherwise.

I'd say MJ doesn't enhance the performance of anyone and you're just trolling and have nothing.

Science. Show studies where MJ enhances performance and the negatives are worth the trade off, then people can make an intelligent choice instead of vague deceptive nonsense. I am not claiming MJ can't resolve some problems, specific ones like severe PTSD when other alternatives have their own negative side effects, but the whole mudslinging thing to suit a political agenda, is so bass ackwards in reality that it's as if you want to spread lies and are ignorant that we don't know better already.

You can only do that to fool people who were already fools and didn't need the nudge. The irony is that what really happens is, most MJ users are inadequate to even hold office in small government, and just cling to liberal politics because it supports the idea of not earning your keep and suckling off those who do, aka slacker potheads. I'm only talking very high averages here, aka science, not cherry picked exceptions.

Before anyone gets their panties in a knot, recognize that I'm not in favor of making MJ illegal, only in holding people accountable for what they do under its influence (same as if they weren't under the influence, it can't be a legal crutch), or if participating in certain professions where there are rules, for good reasons.

I respect your right to make bad choices in life as long as they only harm you, which is ironic considering most liberal agenda is about restricting rights to choose and goverment decides instead, except for this. It does make sense though, a government that wants the masses tuned out, drugged up, accepting anything they want, all puppets on the gravy train taking handouts and hoping for more.

That's a crappy way to live.

 

[Pohemi]

That's exactly what relieving stress and anxiety is, but in this case chemically induced rather than emotional/situational, but if you use MJ for emotional/situational, that in no way makes it more acceptable instead of a terrible crutch that keeps you from dealing with reality.

That has nothing to do with the topic in discussion here. The original statement was still stupid, and this is only extending the stupidity.

Never claimed that, do you have a reading comprehension problem?
If you make up fiction someone else didn't write in order to pretend you have a counter-argument, yes that is entirely ridiculous.

Okay, Bozo the clown. Then what the fuck was your point, if that wasn't your implied claim?
People don't get "jacked up" on steroids or other PEDs, and use MJ to "come down". You're a fucking idiot if you think it works like that.

Your last post above this (#98) I won't even bother with.

 

[mindless1]

^ If you don't have a legit rebuttal, why did you post at all?

If you want me to be bozo the clown, I could have fun doing that for a day, am not so hyper drama queen that I couldn't love life because of a severe drug problem.

Ponder that. The magic of not having to troll trying to defend something ruining your life.

Do you not even understand that if you weren't already mentally ruined by drugs, your posts wouldn't exist?

I hate to mention it but the first step is denial. I was there, over 20 years ago. You are an immature child to me. And act like one. I was where you are and made a choice.