Is Microsoft going to fork pc gaming again with DX11.1?

[Demo24]

I eagerly await the day when dx11 becomes standard , dx9 lived a long good life but its time to move on now.

I believe hard reset was the first game I bought that was dx11 only, and that game looked amazing!

 

[Mem]

Windows 8 is great for a laptop/tablet with a touch screen. For a desktop it brings nothing new except for minor tweaks. So I dont think it is fair to say those who dislike Win 8 are behind the times. Personally, I would not hesitate to buy Win 8 on a prebuilt device, but if given the choice I would go with Win 7, and I definitely would not bother upgrading Win 7 with Win 8.

I disagree on that,you could argue Win7 did not offer anything new over Vista apart from speed improvements ,at least Win8 you get improved security ,built-in AV, improved startup and shut down and generally more snappy ,native USB 3.0 support,DX11.1,Microsoft Store,hybrid OS ie desktop and tablet,improved battery performance on laptops/ notebook/tablets etc....I could list more.


Basically Win8 gives you more features etc.. over Win7 then Win7 ever did over Vista,as desktop user myself I find it very easy to use Win8 as a desktop/gamer user and its not hard if you want to make it like Win7 desktop(for those die hard Win7 desktop fans out there).

End of the day this is the way(trying to merge everything into one OS) Microsoft is going and you can bet Win9 will continue the same way with probably some new features and polishing/improvements on Metro etc...

Its a case of get with the times,tablets are popular and so are smart phones etc and you can see why Microsoft are heading this way and trying to merge it all,I was a die hard DOS 6.22 fan decades ago but had to move to Windows and change with the times,Win8 is just another new OS with new interface but not hard to use even as a desktop user and yes I spend 99% of my time on desktop with Win8 which shows you can use it as a desktop OS.

Anything I really need on desktop from Metro ,is basically a click to make a shortcut to desktop or taskbar,I don't even need a Start Menu button anymore(added some stuff to Win+X menu).

I did upgrade two desktop PCs and one laptop from 7 to 8 and glad I did.


As a gamer you could ask what did gamers get?..simple answer is not much ie Microsoft Store(lots of software including free games) and we got DX11.1,gamers always get the short straw however gaming has come a long way from the old DOS days,very easy to run games now so not much more Microsoft can really do for gamers.

 

[imaheadcase]

Have you even used windows 8 properly? I don't think so.

Yes i have, it was rubbish. How exactly does one us a OS "properly", a OS is just suppose to work, when win 8 was not working for lots of games, crashing, etc. That is rubbish.

 

[imaheadcase]

My point was, it's inevitable that Windows 7 will be EOL'd so complaining that you won't get new DX versions is a bit silly IMO. It has always been that way and should have been expected. So I don't think there's really a point to complain about it that much.

That said, it is unlikely that DX11.1 will not be backward compatible with DX11. I still expect it to offer simple increases in efficiency and not any new graphical features. It may run better on hardware that can support it but I doubt it'll be that big a deal.

Win 7 support lasts till 2020. 2020 people, a freakin new OS is going to be out AGAIN before win 7 support ends. Ms pulls the "its integrated into the OS" theme every OS.

 

[destrekor]

Win 7 support lasts till 2020. 2020 people, a freakin new OS is going to be out AGAIN before win 7 support ends. Ms pulls the "its integrated into the OS" theme every OS.

The reason they support each version of Windows for so long, especially the major successful versions, is due to the Enterprise environment.

Most corporations just recently moved to Windows 7, if they have even made that move. Some are still on XP or Vista.


Power users tend to upgrade, and tend to not stick with older OS versions when newer versions offer ample performance improvements.

 

[imaheadcase]

I disagree on that,you could argue Win7 did not offer anything new over Vista apart from speed improvements ,at least Win8 you get improved security ,built-in AV, improved startup and shut down and generally more snappy ,native USB 3.0 support,DX11.1,Microsoft Store,hybrid OS ie desktop and tablet,improved battery performance on laptops/ notebook/tablets etc....I could list more.


Basically Win8 gives you more features etc.. over Win7 then Win7 ever did over Vista,as desktop user myself I find it very easy to use Win8 as a desktop/gamer user and its not hard if you want to make it like Win7 desktop(for those die hard Win7 desktop fans out there).

See that is the thing why so many don't care for win 8, all the things you mentioned are also available in win 7. Why do you care to pay to have it integrated? Its not "improved" security, they are still going to have just as many security updates as win 7 did eventually (starting Tuesday). "generally snappy" is placebo effect, you can get it reinstalling any OS. Same as thinking 5fps better in a game you are already getting 100+ fps in, i could list more.

You mention startup time? Why does that matter to a desktop user? Most people I know just keep PC on all the time, but upgrading the security updates for win 8 will make it nicer i guess..

The only thing win 8 is ok with is mobile users, that is something it was actually made for. I would consider it on a tablet/laptop, but if it comes down to price, I would not care if it was win 7 or 8 on it.

 

[imaheadcase]

The reason they support each version of Windows for so long, especially the major successful versions, is due to the Enterprise environment.

Most corporations just recently moved to Windows 7, if they have even made that move. Some are still on XP or Vista.


Power users tend to upgrade, and tend to not stick with older OS versions when newer versions offer ample performance improvements.

Yes...? That is what i'm saying..

 

[destrekor]

Yes i have, it was rubbish. How exactly does one us a OS "properly", a OS is just suppose to work, when win 8 was not working for lots of games, crashing, etc. That is rubbish.

This happens even for the best operating systems. For me, Win8 has basically been "it just works." A few hiccups here and there, but for a brand new release, this always happens when you utilize software and drivers written for an older release.

Let developers patch and fix things on their end, and Windows 8 will shine even more. Hell, I said the same thing for Vista. Once there were quality drivers, I found it to be a better gaming platform than XP ever was, and it was FAR more stable. Vista was actually a damn fine OS if you knew what you were doing, and knew why things got ugly. Bad drivers = unstable mess of a system. Windows 7 blew that away as it was even better with resource management, and generally was a cleaned up Vista.

See that is the thing why so many don't care for win 8, all the things you mentioned are also available in win 7. Why do you care to pay to have it integrated? Its not "improved" security, they are still going to have just as many security updates as win 7 did eventually (starting Tuesday). "generally snappy" is placebo effect, you can get it reinstalling any OS. Same as thinking 5fps better in a game you are already getting 100+ fps in, i could list more.

You mention startup time? Why does that matter to a desktop user? Most people I know just keep PC on all the time, but upgrading the security updates for win 8 will make it nicer i guess..

The only thing win 8 is ok with is mobile users, that is something it was actually made for. I would consider it on a tablet/laptop, but if it comes down to price, I would not care if it was win 7 or 8 on it.

Placebo effect? Really?

I performed a direct upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 8. That is, everything that was installed in Windows 7, all configuration changes, all registry data and device drivers, were kept between the transition from 7 to 8. I didn't really clear anything out.

It's faster. Not placebo effect faster, but definitively faster. A fresh install would probably boot and restart faster, but this already boots and restarts faster than my Win7 install.


Start up time IS a worthy point of consideration. I prefer to NOT leave my computer on 24/7. It's a waste of electricity for starters, and it's even easier to get into the sleep/hibernate/shutdown frame of mind when the time required to hop onto a computer is almost nothing. A lot of people adopted to always-on because the time to get it from Cold to Ready to Work was asinine.

 

[Mem]

See that is the thing why so many don't care for win 8, all the things you mentioned are also available in win 7. Why do you care to pay to have it integrated? Its not "improved" security, they are still going to have just as many security updates as win 7 did eventually (starting Tuesday). "generally snappy" is placebo effect, you can get it reinstalling any OS. Same as thinking 5fps better in a game you are already getting 100+ fps in, i could list more.

You mention startup time? Why does that matter to a desktop user? Most people I know just keep PC on all the time, but upgrading the security updates for win 8 will make it nicer i guess..

The only thing win 8 is ok with is mobile users, that is something it was actually made for. I would consider it on a tablet/laptop, but if it comes down to price, I would not care if it was win 7 or 8 on it.

So your argument is to ignore all the improvements that Win8 has and say Win7 has it ,did Win7 offer you many more features then Vista,answer is no it did not,however Win8 does have a lot of stuff if you can be bothered to do the research and read about it.

You argue about startup times etc..this is important for those on laptops or those on the move etc...and battery dependent power sources,you want to be able to load quick and get on with it ,not wasting time using more battery power while its still loading etc..

I also have gaming laptop as well (backup to my desktop gaming PC).



Remember Win8 is designed for not just desktop users,remember all those smartphone ,laptop/tablet users out there?...well plenty of those around.
End of the day Win8 can do anything and more then what Win7 can ,its priced well below Win7 (smart move by Microsoft )so no reason not to upgrade,you spend more on buying a modern game .


Always makes me laugh when people moan about not getting DX11.1,they don't mind spending loads on a video card or games etc but Win8 at a bargain price is too deep for their pockets which will last you years etc...
I guess next you'll be saying all my three upgraded Win8 PCs are not faster then Win7 :whiste:
I've been using XP since day one,same for Vista,Win7,Win8 ,can say above is my honest opinion and experience.


End of the day a pure desktop OS is going the way of the dinosaur on Windows,you can bet Win9 ,10 etc.. will be going same way as Win8 ie more hybrid OS.
I went into Win8 open minded as a pure desktop/gamer user and found that I can actually use it very well as a Win8 desktop/gaming PC like I did on my previous Win7 PCs.

 

[EDUSAN]

for me.... windows is not about how windows works... but about how everything else works on windows.

if win8 is great but games dont work / are not compatible with win8, its a NO for me, at least until they start making patches for the programs i have.

 

[Mem]

for me.... windows is not about how windows works... but about how everything else works on windows.

if win8 is great but games dont work / are not compatible with win8, its a NO for me, at least until they start making patches for the programs i have.

Care to name those games?...I think its fair to say the list of games is too huge to test everyone and on all possible hardware configurations,even XP had some issues in the early days ,same for Vista with some games ,mainly drivers,even Win7 had some issues with games in early days so not surprising you would get same thing with Win8,however I personally have not had any issues(only tested 20 games so far,still early days).

I will name the ones that work fine that I've tested on Win8 as a gamer,put my money where my mouth is as they say,XCOM,Skyrim,GW2,Risen 2,ME3 and multiplay via Origin,Dragon Age,Dragon Age 2,SWGemu,Old Republic,Aion,Diablo 3,Civilizations 4,Star Trek Online,Witcher 2,Rift and more(all my win7 games etc..).

 

[wanderer27]

I get so tired of this BS of being "forced" into something because of supposedly dropped features.

I was fine with Win 98SE, I don't remember why I upgraded to XP at the time, though I know there was a reason.

I'm on Win 7 64bit now, and the only reason I'm on this is because I needed more Memory support than 4 GB (3.5GB really).
XP 64bit just wasn't mature enough, so Win 7 was pretty much the only option.

There are a few minor changes to Win 7 that are okay, but overall I'm not really thrilled with Win 7.
The Directory structure changes are just a ridiculous pain in the a** - change for changes sake is just stupid (Office Ribbon is a prime example).

DX changes?
Not really a big deal too me.
Pretty much all the newer games require On-line only (even for Single Player) or Steam, so I don't have much interest in following any of the big new titles.

Frankly, from my seat, I can see why all the "Experts" are calling for the decline of the PC (replaced by Smart Phones).
I prefer the PC, but I'm not seeing much of a future need to upgrade OS's.

The Industry has done this to itself with all of the senseless restrictions and requirements they placed on gaming and so forth.

Bored? End of my gaming days?
Hardly, I have over 70 games on GOG alone, and dozens of Indie games from Developers that know how to treat their customers.
Neither of these avenues are ever going to require me to upgrade from where I'm at right now.

When it comes right down too it, this past Hardware upgrade wasn't really that much of an improvement (surprisingly).



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[Mem]

I get so tired of this BS of being "forced" into something because of supposedly dropped features.

I was fine with Win 98SE, I don't remember why I upgraded to XP at the time, though I know there was a reason.

I'm on Win 7 64bit now, and the only reason I'm on this is because I needed more Memory support than 4 GB (3.5GB really).
XP 64bit just wasn't mature enough, so Win 7 was pretty much the only option.

There are a few minor changes to Win 7 that are okay, but overall I'm not really thrilled with Win 7.
The Directory structure changes are just a ridiculous pain in the a** - change for changes sake is just stupid (Office Ribbon is a prime example).

DX changes?
Not really a big deal too me.
Pretty much all the newer games require On-line only (even for Single Player) or Steam, so I don't have much interest in following any of the big new titles.

Frankly, from my seat, I can see why all the "Experts" are calling for the decline of the PC (replaced by Smart Phones).
I prefer the PC, but I'm not seeing much of a future need to upgrade OS's.

The Industry has done this to itself with all of the senseless restrictions and requirements they placed on gaming and so forth.

Bored? End of my gaming days?
Hardly, I have over 70 games on GOG alone, and dozens of Indie games from Developers that know how to treat their customers.
Neither of these avenues are ever going to require me to upgrade from where I'm at right now.

When it comes right down too it, this past Hardware upgrade wasn't really that much of an improvement (surprisingly).



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I was happy on DOS 6.22 as a gamer decades ago,there was an art to getting games to run with the right amount of expanded memory,guess if I can change and adapt then anybody can.

 

[wanderer27]

I was happy on DOS 6**22 as a gamer decades ago,there was an art to getting games to run with the right amount of expanded memory,guess if I can change and adapt then anybody can**

Yeah, I liked DOS too**

The point of my post though, is that there's really no longer a need to upgrade since they've (MS, Major Developers, etc**) killed off (or met in my case - Memory) all the reasons too upgrade**

Their loss really, since my Money no longer supports them, but they also impact Hardware manufacturers since that upgrade's really not needed either at this point**



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WTH is up with the Forum changing my PERIODS to '**' ?


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