I mean, for all of you who believe in god, ponder this one for a second. The reason that we become sick and/or die is because its what god wanted, right? so is trying to cure our illnesses wrong?
is medicine morally wrong?
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No. That is absolutely ridiculous.
Obviously "God" wanted us to discover medicines, or we wouldn't have found them. Obviously "God" put people here to become doctors, or they wouldn't exist.
Obviously if someone is healed of cancer, "God" wanted it to happen.. it doesen't matter if it was through chemotherapy or a lifestyle change.
Obviously "God" wanted us to discover medicines, or we wouldn't have found them. Obviously "God" put people here to become doctors, or they wouldn't exist.
Obviously if someone is healed of cancer, "God" wanted it to happen.. it doesen't matter if it was through chemotherapy or a lifestyle change.
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IN that same respect, you'd be incuring the wrath of god (AKA 'jehovah' in some circles ) by questioning his judgement/trying to find out his intent (would xxx be ---) . . . be a good little religious zealot and take literally all the words of the bible (and think no more!).
) by questioning his judgement/trying to find out his intent (would xxx be ---) . . . be a good little religious zealot and take literally all the words of the bible (and think no more!).Originally posted by: Eli
No. That is absolutely ridiculous.
Obviously "God" wanted us to discover medicines, or we wouldn't have found them. Obviously "God" put people here to become doctors, or they wouldn't exist.
Obviously if someone is healed of cancer, "God" wanted it to happen.. it doesen't matter if it was through chemotherapy or a lifestyle change.
How do you know what God does or does not want?
If God wanted you to live he'd stop me if I pulled out a gun and tried to shoot you. If God didn't want the WTC attack to happen he'd have stopped it. If God didn't want the holocaust to happen he'd not have allowed it. If....
Just apply logic to whatever you want to believe, and disregard the rest. Same with all religious people.
Because, by their way of thinking, it wouldn't happen unless he wanted it to happen, ie: "It was meant to be.".Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: Eli
No. That is absolutely ridiculous.
Obviously "God" wanted us to discover medicines, or we wouldn't have found them. Obviously "God" put people here to become doctors, or they wouldn't exist.
Obviously if someone is healed of cancer, "God" wanted it to happen.. it doesen't matter if it was through chemotherapy or a lifestyle change.
How do you know what God does or does not want?
If God wanted you to life he'd stop me if I pulled out a gun and tried to shoot you. If God didn't want the WTC attack to happen he'd have stopped it. If God didn't want the holocaust to happen he'd not have allowed it. If....
Just apply logic to whatever you want to believe, and disregard the rest. Same with all religious people.
Originally posted by: Eli
Because, by their way of thinking, it wouldn't happen unless he wanted it to happen, ie: "It was meant to be.".Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: Eli
No. That is absolutely ridiculous.
Obviously "God" wanted us to discover medicines, or we wouldn't have found them. Obviously "God" put people here to become doctors, or they wouldn't exist.
Obviously if someone is healed of cancer, "God" wanted it to happen.. it doesen't matter if it was through chemotherapy or a lifestyle change.
How do you know what God does or does not want?
If God wanted you to life he'd stop me if I pulled out a gun and tried to shoot you. If God didn't want the WTC attack to happen he'd have stopped it. If God didn't want the holocaust to happen he'd not have allowed it. If....
Just apply logic to whatever you want to believe, and disregard the rest. Same with all religious people.
Unless they think it's not good, then it's the work of the devil. Only things that benefit them come from God...
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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Better living through chemistry.
Yeah, MSG makes everything taste better!
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If you'd choose not to take medication although 'God has made it available', do you commit suicide?
Originally posted by: Eli
No. That is absolutely ridiculous.
Obviously "God" wanted us to discover medicines, or we wouldn't have found them. Obviously "God" put people here to become doctors, or they wouldn't exist.
Obviously if someone is healed of cancer, "God" wanted it to happen.. it doesen't matter if it was through chemotherapy or a lifestyle change.
Why is it that all these religious people claim that human cloning and other manipulative procedures involving the human genome as being wrong? Using the same logic as you applied to medicne, it would appear that God wanted it.
Consider:
Obviously "God" wanted us to clone humans, or we wouldn't have found the way to do it. Obviously "God" put people here to become scientists, or they wouldn't exist.
Obviously if someone is born in a test tube, "God" wanted it to happen.. it doesen't matter if it was through artificial insemination or cloning.
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If you're a parent, let's say you want your children to have a clean room. You've taught your children to clean their room, and they know they're supposed to do it. However, as much as you want their room clean, even more, you'd like for them to choose to do it themselves. So, you give them the space to make their choices, knowing you'll be most pleased if they choose to clean the room, even though it'd be easier to just do it yourself. If they don't clean the room, you're saddened; the room isn't clean and they didn't choose to do it. You don't get either thing you wanted. But you had to give them that space in order for them to make the choice. If they did choose to clean the room, you're far happier that they displayed the obedience than you would have been if the room had merely been clean because you cleaned it.
Similarly, I think, God gives us free will. He could make everything perfect, clean our room for us, but it would give him much greater pleasure if we were to choose to do right on our own. In order for us to make that choice, we have to be able to choose not to, as well as choose to do it. The bad stuff that happens in the world is a result of God giving us that freedom, and a result of our choices.
As for medicines and cloning, I think that God gave us our world to use wisely. We have to make choices about which advances are wise for us to take and which are not.
Similarly, I think, God gives us free will. He could make everything perfect, clean our room for us, but it would give him much greater pleasure if we were to choose to do right on our own. In order for us to make that choice, we have to be able to choose not to, as well as choose to do it. The bad stuff that happens in the world is a result of God giving us that freedom, and a result of our choices.
As for medicines and cloning, I think that God gave us our world to use wisely. We have to make choices about which advances are wise for us to take and which are not.
That was pretty much my point. They color the world pretty much the way they want to. If it's "bad" to them, it's against God. If it is good, it must be the work of God.Originally posted by: Stratum9
Originally posted by: Eli
No. That is absolutely ridiculous.
Obviously "God" wanted us to discover medicines, or we wouldn't have found them. Obviously "God" put people here to become doctors, or they wouldn't exist.
Obviously if someone is healed of cancer, "God" wanted it to happen.. it doesen't matter if it was through chemotherapy or a lifestyle change.
Why is it that all these religious people claim that human cloning and other manipulative procedures involving the human genome as being wrong? Using the same logic as you applied to medicne, it would appear that God wanted it.
Consider:
Obviously "God" wanted us to clone humans, or we wouldn't have found the way to do it. Obviously "God" put people here to become scientists, or they wouldn't exist.
Obviously if someone is born in a test tube, "God" wanted it to happen.. it doesen't matter if it was through artificial insemination or cloning.
As only God can create souls it is logical that we would not be able to clone humans, or that they would be uncontrollable beasts. Or that God would actually give them souls, and with that give us a sign that it was the right thing to do. So all we need to do is clone some humans and see if they are normal, good persons, or religious freaks instead.
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