is medicine morally wrong?

[Medea]

Is it Christian Scientists of Jehovah Witnesses? I never can remember which religion bans medical care.

 

[Walleye]

Originally posted by: MountainTop
Is it Christian Scientists of Jehovah Witnesses? I never can remember which religion bans medical care.

jehova's witnesses.

 

[Medea]

Thanks, Walleye! :beer:

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

There are some extremist protestant groups here which forbid medical care too.

 

[Blain]

"It was meant to be."

I love that little phrase. People use it when it seems convenient to them.

* Someone breaks up with them... It was meant to be that way. Surely it wasn't because THEY did something wrong or conducted themselves in an improper manner... Noooooo
* Someone doesn't get a job they really wanted... It was meant to be that way. Surely it wasn't because they weren't the most qualified for the position... Noooooo
* Someone takes them to court because they caused an accident... Noooooo, we don't hear "It was meant to be"... they hire a lawyer to get them out of trouble.

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: HotChic


Similarly, I think, God gives us free will. He could make everything perfect, clean our room for us, but it would give him much greater pleasure if we were to choose to do right on our own. In order for us to make that choice, we have to be able to choose not to, as well as choose to do it. The bad stuff that happens in the world is a result of God giving us that freedom, and a result of our choices.

....the good ole' free will argument. If only I had the will to argue against it again...

 

[Walleye]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
There are some extremist protestant groups here which forbid medical care too.

actually, he's right. it's not just Jehova's Witnesses that forbid medical care.

i know jehova's witnesses, because i remember some news story about a woman who was dying of something, and a surgery could for sure save her, but she refused.

there i think are a few others, but i dont think Christian Scientists are one of them. i forget what exactly Christian Scientists beleive, but it struck me more as a cult than anything. i remember looking it over after having told someone i was more of a scientific oriented christian... after looking over a few sites, i determined Science oriented Christian != Christian Scientist. lol.

 

[Walleye]

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl

Originally posted by: HotChic


Similarly, I think, God gives us free will. He could make everything perfect, clean our room for us, but it would give him much greater pleasure if we were to choose to do right on our own. In order for us to make that choice, we have to be able to choose not to, as well as choose to do it. The bad stuff that happens in the world is a result of God giving us that freedom, and a result of our choices.

....the good ole' free will argument. If only I had the will to argue against it again...

i think it's you dont have the will to argue against a girl

 

[Jzero]

Christian Science is the one that is centered around prayer instead of medical care.
I dunno about Jehovah's Witnesses. Never heard of that.

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: Walleye

Originally posted by: Dedpuhl

Originally posted by: HotChic


Similarly, I think, God gives us free will. He could make everything perfect, clean our room for us, but it would give him much greater pleasure if we were to choose to do right on our own. In order for us to make that choice, we have to be able to choose not to, as well as choose to do it. The bad stuff that happens in the world is a result of God giving us that freedom, and a result of our choices.

....the good ole' free will argument. If only I had the will to argue against it again...

i think it's you dont have the will to argue against a girl

....Well...arguing with a woman gets ya nowhere

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Eli
No. That is absolutely ridiculous.

Obviously "God" wanted us to discover medicines, or we wouldn't have found them. Obviously "God" put people here to become doctors, or they wouldn't exist.

Obviously if someone is healed of cancer, "God" wanted it to happen.. it doesen't matter if it was through chemotherapy or a lifestyle change.

so...i guess god is ok with abortions?


i liked the free will argument. that suggests that choosing anything, god will be happy, simply because you have chosen.

 

[Blain]

Jehovah's Witnesses are against blood transfusions.

The Watchtower Health, Medicine and Blood page doesn't show them to be against medical attention.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Starting next week the first medicinal weed will be sold in a dutch drugstore. Seriously ill people can get it on prescription.

It can help against the feeling of sickness caused by chemotherapy, it can counter the loss of appetite by aids- and cancerpatients, and it eases the pain and stiffness of MS patients.

Guess that will freak out the die-hard conservatives in the US, as God clearly has not meant pain to be eased. After all, isn't Cancer a punishment from God?

 

[Walleye]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Starting next week the first medicinal weed will be sold in a dutch drugstore. Seriously ill people can get it on prescription.

It can help against the feeling of sickness caused by chemotherapy, it can counter the loss of appetite by aids- and cancerpatients, and it eases the pain and stiffness of MS patients.

Guess that will freak out the die-hard conservatives in the US, as God clearly has not meant pain to be eased. After all, isn't Cancer a punishment from God?

no, we just dont need a bunch of dumbasses going and getting prescriptions from sympathetic doctors to go light up.

 

[Schadenfroh]

alot of this stuff God just lets happen. He causes some of us to get sick (like Job) but i think the bulk of it is handeled like science says. Disease is spread thru contagion and there is nothing wrong with curing it. God does not cause you to get sick, germs cause you to get sick. But God did create humans and the germs. Its been this way ever since humanity got exiled from Eden

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Walleye

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Starting next week the first medicinal weed will be sold in a dutch drugstore. Seriously ill people can get it on prescription.

It can help against the feeling of sickness caused by chemotherapy, it can counter the loss of appetite by aids- and cancerpatients, and it eases the pain and stiffness of MS patients.

Guess that will freak out the die-hard conservatives in the US, as God clearly has not meant pain to be eased. After all, isn't Cancer a punishment from God?

no, we just dont need a bunch of dumbasses going and getting prescriptions from sympathetic doctors to go light up.

Considering you pay 2 times as much for it as for normal weed (and yes, it is possible to get weed in the US too), and there are strict regulations on it, I doubt a doctor will just prescribe it to friends. He'd just get his license revoked.
He can't just proclaim someone a cancer patient out of the blue, that will require a second opinion at least.

And the US allows alcohol and religion too, which are far more dangerous and kill far more braincells.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: HotChic
If you're a parent, let's say you want your children to have a clean room. You've taught your children to clean their room, and they know they're supposed to do it. However, as much as you want their room clean, even more, you'd like for them to choose to do it themselves. So, you give them the space to make their choices, knowing you'll be most pleased if they choose to clean the room, even though it'd be easier to just do it yourself. If they don't clean the room, you're saddened; the room isn't clean and they didn't choose to do it. You don't get either thing you wanted. But you had to give them that space in order for them to make the choice. If they did choose to clean the room, you're far happier that they displayed the obedience than you would have been if the room had merely been clean because you cleaned it.

Similarly, I think, God gives us free will. He could make everything perfect, clean our room for us, but it would give him much greater pleasure if we were to choose to do right on our own. In order for us to make that choice, we have to be able to choose not to, as well as choose to do it. The bad stuff that happens in the world is a result of God giving us that freedom, and a result of our choices.

As for medicines and cloning, I think that God gave us our world to use wisely. We have to make choices about which advances are wise for us to take and which are not.

But I know that you also believe that He will provide you with the opportunity to make the good choices, which cannot be done without changing or limiting the choices of others to some extent. Free will seems, to some degree at least, in conflict with the idea of any sort of "divine plan".

ZV

 

[StageLeft]

No. God gives people the brains to overcome problems.

 

[amcdonald]

here's a concept you might have heard of before....
the devil. i think he does bad stuff. i'll have to check

 

[ragazzo]

not morally wrong. just abused. you should only take if you absolutely need it. if you keep on taking medicine for everything little thing, you're slowly helping to make the future virus/bacteria more resistant (mutants)

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: zayened
I mean, for all of you who believe in god, ponder this one for a second. The reason that we become sick and/or die is because its what god wanted, right? so is trying to cure our illnesses wrong?

With this reasoning you would have to conclude Jesus was the Devil because he went around healing people. Most initial medicines were derived from natural sources like herbs/trees/etc. We've just become much better at refining the active ingredient and synthesizing it. God gave us everything we need to heal and be healthy. Most of the illneses after all are caused by our own gluttony.

 

[GoingUp]

god helps those who help themselves

 

[PlatinumGold]

medicine is morally wrong because it screws up NATURAL SELECTION.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
medicine is morally wrong because it screws up NATURAL SELECTION.

Seems to me that I've seen this argument before...

Actually, medicine is natural selection. Survival of the fittest is not restricted to the fittest physically. Medicine is something that aid those who are fittest mentally. It has been mental fitness that has allowed humans to survive, compared to most animals, we're pretty puny and our natural defenses are a joke.

ZV

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: zayened
I mean, for all of you who believe in god, ponder this one for a second. The reason that we become sick and/or die is because its what god wanted, right? so is trying to cure our illnesses wrong?

is medicine morally wrong?

Yes - according to at least one religion, Christian Science.

And the defense for 'medicine being wrong' is so ILlogical (I can't believe someone brought it up) - only "religion" can defend it.

and I am OUTTA here . . .

(thank 'god' for work)