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Is Jesus a liberal or a conservative?

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UG;

Your not as much like Jesus as you might like to think, and I don't have a problem with your skepticism. Even if you deny Christ diety, or existence for that matter, the record of His existence indicates that he came to serve man, to bring them positive things. Though you may point to historical records which I could refute with as much self assuredness as you, I find that most Christians who really try to follow Jesus' philosophy do want to spread peace and harmony in this world.

 
~zonker~;

Who are you to say whether I am, or am not, like, or am not like, Jesus?

You make my point with laser-like eloquence.

Have you no faith in me?
 
Red, some Christians are indeed hypocrits, but I must remind you... some are not.

Also, since your taking this posture, some non Christians are hypocrits, some are not.

Also, to everyone... it is spelled D E I T Y, not diety, although it does say in the Bible that Jesus did indeed diet (for 40 days) so if that's what you were saying, sorry.

Oh yeah, IMO, Jesus Christ is deity. If you have seen Jesus, you have seen the Father, for they are one. Therefore, from the way I undrstand it, Jesus IS God.
 
Red... we are on the same page, I just didn't make the disconnection between 'following Jesus philosophy' and the Religious Right that you do.

UG... make up your mind, OK? Are you like Jesus or not, Are you independent or radical or both?

[edit] I have faith in your apperance in these threads; to keep them lively and stimulating long after the topic has been exhausted 😉
 
to chess9: if by "born again Bible thumper" you mean someone who has been saved by the grace of God and believes in the inerrancy, inspiration, and sufficiency of the Bible then I gladly accept that title. If however you are meaning that I go around telling unwilling listeners of their condemnation to hell then I believe you are wrong. Yes, I did put my webpage address on here so that perhaps people who have been lulled into a false sense of security by many of the non-biblical preaching churches of today might here the message that Christ spoke then you are right but you went to my site by your own will. I cannot make anyone go to my site.

I'm also sorry that you do not like my argument. But with the light that God has given me I cannnot vote for those that legalize abortion and homosexuality. These things are an abomination to God according to the Bible. So even though the Republicans have many problems, I think they deserve my vote if it might possibly end the legalization of just these two things.

to UG: Jesus was definitely a person. I'm sure there are many people that wish they could deny this but they just can't. So by faith in Him, I and I imagine others, can believe what He says in the Bible is true and thus I do know Jesus by His own words. Now I doubt that is good enough for you because you have no faith in Him as God the Son and no love for Him.

I cannot say that I'm happy for you.
 
qacwac;

<...I cannot say that I'm happy for you...>

Then, I am more like Jesus than are you.

 
to UG: although I cannot determine your true spirituality you do not appear to have experienced the saving grace of God through Jesus Christ alone. So therefore it would be very UN-Christ-like for me to rejoice over your damnation. Of course I am not the One who ultimately knows of your eternal destination but I wrote from the light that I have according to the scripture.

As to Christ's arrogance. He was not arrogant. He was humble. Now for all of those who have a false understanding og humility it is not a worm theology but it is not thinking of yourself more highly than you ought. So Christ was perfectly humble in thinking and knowing He was God the Son.
So just as you proclaim you are arrogant, this does not make you more Christ-like, but less.
 
qacwac;

Jesus wasn't killed because of his Humbleness, he was killed because of his Arrogance.

An Atheist knows more of your Jesus than do you? =8^o

 
Red, you mean like your witnessing against anything religious? Relax man, you are WAY to uptight about Christianity, it has to be unhealthy fOshO.
 
Jesus did the work at the cross to fullfill the prophetic word of the old testament so that by His grace, you could have salvation.
 
It appears to me that many here confuse Christianity with the Christians of the religious right. Just because they are the most vocal doesn't mean that they speak for the majority. Many of the Christians I know do not believe in the rant, being more content to be of service to those in veterans hospitals, clinics, shelters and the like. And I am not speaking of any particular sect, just those who believe that the Christ spirit was perfectly with Jesus the man and choose to follow that way as best they can. Indeed, the majority believe that the Christ spirit can be with anyone who seeks love, justice, mercy and those higher ideals. Emphasis on &quot;ideals&quot;, not ideas.
 
I think if I or most non-senior/golden/diamond/whatever else ranking did this would become the longest thread just from the flames I or he or she would get. And it is pretty evident that most here care nothing for Christ or just regard Him as a good man. But there are others atleast similar to me.
 
to UG: you still did not get my point. What you consider arrogance in Christ (His claiming to be God, His claiming to have all power) and what the Pharisees killed Him for was not arrogance at all. It was a true self assessment of Himself. That is humility.

But I do not claim to know the most ABOUT Christ. I am actually quite positive that there are atheist who know more ABOUT Christ than me.
Ah, but praise to God that is not the issue. He does not require great knowledge of Him but fellowship with Him by abiding in Christ's word. So while they may hve great knowledge of Christ, they do not know Christ. God has not done that miraculous work of regerationin them.

My webpage kind of explains the difference. But if you go I didn't make you.
 
qacwac;

He was killed because he pissed off the Church Capitalists and they turned him in to the Politico's.

He either was dumb, and didn't know what he was doing, or he was Arrogant, and estimated that defense of his principles was worth the sacrifice.

Frankly, I think he was both: principled, and dumb.

Stupid arrogant.
 
Sorry I am relatively uneducated and don't know what you mean by Politico's

you missed one thing. He was God incarnate who came to earth of His own free will to make atonement for my sins. Making possible the only way that I might enter into communion with He, the Spirit, and the Father.

Yeah, that's the one I believe.

If you are going to continue to degrade my Lord and Savior then please let me know so I will stop posting in this thread. While I know that you have no care for Him, I do, so I would appreciate it if you would respect my belief. There is no point to your doing so nor benefit to you and it actually reminds me of elementary school children speaking about each other's mom's because they are too ignorant to actually communicate civilized.

That last part is as best I can reason out.
 
Well at least etech and Zonker, hope I didn't leave anybody else out, gave some biblical references for a position. Guess maybe I should have said, if Jesus were just a historical figure, from the overall gestalt, would you calssify him as left or right leaning and why. Maybe I should have asked about the Buddha. 😀
 
Yeah thanks moon, when will this out of control religous mud flinging fest end? I swear I saw the last big &quot;religous thread&quot; at the top of the list for weeks. LOL







SHUX
 
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