Is Java Necessary??? (Solved)

[Leros]

Interesting. Know that I am not a gamer. Again, so far, it appears nothing I need and use needs Java. Cause it is GONE, and everything appears to function normally.

It would not surprise me if you don't need Java. Just wanted to make sure you're not afraid to install it for desktop apps because there is legit security scare about installing the browser plugin.

 

[Virgorising]

It would not surprise me if you don't need Java. Just wanted to make sure you're not afraid to install it for desktop apps because there is legit security scare about installing the browser plugin.

Thanks for the clarification. Please let me explain again: I have, until just earlier, NEVER been WITHOUT either: the browser plug in and Java per se in this (or any other) system!

My only fear, having read what I did in a thread here, then having started this one to learn, was if uninstalling it might have negative consequences.

But I went ahead, based on the info offered in this thread.... and so far, still good!

So, except for one mug of French Roast made from freshly ground beans in the AM:sneaky:.......

......I am, for the first time.... JAVA-LESS.:biggrin:

 

[Johnny4]

even if you have it installed on your pc, you can disable the updates in control panel,
look for it, its fairly easy to configure.

 

[Cogman]

even if you have it installed on your pc, you can disable the updates in control panel,
look for it, its fairly easy to configure.

This is terrible advice. You SHOULD update java as frequently as possible. Especially if you are using it in the browser.

 

[Virgorising]

even if you have it installed on your pc, you can disable the updates in control panel,
look for it, its fairly easy to configure.

If you read the thread, you will see, after getting the good info I needed, I uninstalled everything Java early within it.

 

[ninaholic37]

According to this recent survey... Java, Flash and Adobe Reader are responsible for 66% of Malware vulnerabilities in Windows:

http://www.av-test.org/en/news/news-single-view/artikel//adobe-java-make-windows-insecure

Heh. I wonder how much running everything related in Sandboxie would help? :sneaky:

 

[biostud]

Our access to all public institutions and banking, relies on a Java based program called NemID (EasyID). So here in Denmark it's definitely needed.

 

[Virgorising]

Our access to all public institutions and banking, relies on a Java based program called NemID (EasyID). So here in Denmark it's definitely needed.

INTERESTING!!!:thumbsup:

Tell me, at what level was that decision made?

 

[Virgorising]

According to this recent survey... Java, Flash and Adobe Reader are responsible for 66% of Malware vulnerabilities in Windows:

http://www.av-test.org/en/news/news-single-view/artikel//adobe-java-make-windows-insecure

Heh. I wonder how much running everything related in Sandboxie would help? :sneaky:

O!

FLASH????? Flash is "partners in crime" with Java??????D:

I did get rid of Adobe a while back, but only cause I came to feel it is total bloat, also felt creeped out by what I sensed it is bundled with. I now use PDF-XChange Viewer.

Does this mean that everyone using Photoshop is vulnerable? (I have no need for that, forget, no way would I pay $800 for any software, even if it did manis and pedis and cleaned the windows and vacuumed.)

I had never yet had a real infection. My current protection strategy in this system comprises Norton IS properly configured, which I just LUV....never even open it, just looking at the logs makes me feel safe; running Super anti once in a while, tho it never finds anything; MBAM rarely, only cause I bought it, but discovered I have no need to run it in real time.

SO....I feel happy and safe! I hope that is not an illusion give what you posted.

 

[Virgorising]

This is terrible advice. You SHOULD update java as frequently as possible. Especially if you are using it in the browser.

I am using it now...not at all. But, when I was, I kept it current.

 

[biostud]

INTERESTING!!!:thumbsup:

Tell me, at what level was that decision made?

The government made a request for proposals from various companies, and the compnay who won the bidding nets.dk made a solution based on java. The main reason for choosing java was that it was required to be platform independent. At the moment they are developing a javascript version, because of the many security flaws in java. But when/if it will be finished is a good question. The log-in security is two factor login, so you have to use your social security number and personal password + a code from a key card/key generator every time you want to login in. But even though it has been criticized quite a lot, I think it works really well, using the same login/registration system to all public offices, banks, insurance companies etc. You can also get one for your company.

 

[Virgorising]

The government made a request for proposals from various companies, and the compnay who won the bidding nets.dk made a solution based on java. The main reason for choosing java was that it was required to be platform independent. At the moment they are developing a javascript version, because of the many security flaws in java. But when/if it will be finished is a good question. The log-in security is two factor login, so you have to use your social security number and personal password + a code from a key card/key generator every time you want to login in. But evben though it has been criticized quite a lot, I think it works really well, using the same login/registration system to all public offices, banks, insurance companies etc.

I really appreciate this info!!! Fascinating!

My take now, is this contract was not awarded capriciously. Wish my government would be as meticulous as yours in such things. Hope the javascript version arrives soon.

And, while I was taken aback by the requirement of entering SS number---nothing like that exists on my side of The Pond, I believe---I am also positive those who are complaining may be simply malcontents or intimidated.

Thanks again!

 

[biostud]

I really appreciate this info!!! Fascinating!

My take now, is this contract was not awarded capriciously. Wish my government would be as meticulous as yours in such things. Hope the javascript version arrives soon.

And, while I was taken aback by the requirement of entering SS number---nothing like that exists on my site of The Pond, I believe---I am also positive those who are complaining may be simply malcontents or intimidated.

Thanks again!

We have a central register where all Danes are registered with a CPR-number (Central Person Register) equivalent of SS number. The system is quite ancient as it was adopted in 1968. It consist of birth date plus four semi-random numbers ddmmyyyy-xxxx. The system is quite vulnerable to identity theft, and it's close to impossible to get a new number.

 

[Virgorising]

We have a central register where all Danes are registered with a CPR-number (Central Person Register) equivalent of SS number. The system is quite ancient as it was adopted in 1968. It consist of birth date plus four semi-random numbers ddmmyyyy-xxxx. The system is quite vulnerable to identity theft, and it's close to impossible to get a new number.

:'(

I always hate it when a HAPPY take on a reality.....erodes after I receive further information.

As happened just now, when you shared these additional data.

With all that is available re cryptography now....why is the system still as vulnerable to hacking as it is?:\:|

 

[biostud]

:'(

I always hate it when a HAPPY take on a reality.....erodes after I receive further information.

As happened just now, when you shared these additional data.

With all that is available re cryptography now....why is the system still as vulnerable to hacking as it is?:\:|

One of the problems is that since all public offices has access to CPR numbers they can accidentally be easily accessed, if the security on that specific institution is sloppy (which they often are).

 

[Virgorising]

One of the problems is that since all public offices has access to CPR numbers they can accidentally be easily accessed, if the security on that specific institution is sloppy (which they often are).

Well, thanks, that explains it then.:'( But it's SHOCKING.
Inadequate encryption in ANY institution having access to this info??????

Here, there would have been class action suits brought long ago. And a tidal wave of of humans lobbying Congress.

 

[biostud]

Well, thanks, that explains it then.:'( But it's SHOCKING.
Inadequate encryption in ANY institution having access to this info??????

Here, there would have been class action suits brought long ago. And a tidal wave of of humans lobbying Congress.

We don't really have a tradition of huge lawsuits. When the problems are found they are required to fix the problems, which actually happens most of the time. But withing the last five years the cases have 7 doubled from 10/year to 70.

 

[Virgorising]

We don't really have a tradition of huge lawsuits. When the problems are found they are required to fix the problems, which actually happens most of the time. But withing the last five years the cases have 7 doubled from 10/year to 70.

7 - 70!

Well, not proud to say, I think The USA is the most litigious country on the planet.

Individuals sue at the drop of a hat; cable abounds with relentless spots paid for by ambulance chasing attorneys and legal firms only doing that, be it re soliciting someone who has slipped and fallen (OR plans to:sneaky, someone who broke a nail:sneaky:... or class action suits against, say, the big pharmaceuticals. By the way, I am in favor of the latter, given the often horrific reality of what they make and what wins approval. But that's about it.

I see it as feeding the premise that an adversarial mindset is normal.

My worldclass, renegade, hugely popular OB-GYN retired early because the cost her liability insurance kept soaring. This is happening to many physicians here. It's a crime, it is.

 

[xSauronx]

Once our bank moved to PKI and Smartphone authentication i removed it. I have absolutely nothing in my day to day duties that needs Java runtime any more. No software or websites that i visit need it. So it's gone and good bloody riddance!

i wish i could do this at work. we really dont seem to *need* it for much, but accessing oracle via another vendor is required, and they use a web interface with java. the java setup requires some tweaks. nothing major, and its not in widespread use, but i do hate it.

 

[Virgorising]

i wish i could do this at work. we really dont seem to *need* it for much, but accessing oracle via another vendor is required, and they use a web interface with java. the java setup requires some tweaks. nothing major, and its not in widespread use, but i do hate it.

Well....I too now hate it! But only after being inspired to learn the specifics right here!

I guess you could say....now, I hate it in retrospect.

I wish you could get rid of it at work too!!!!!:| But, that you can't, at least has a pragmatic explanation.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Java (in the browser) is a HUGE security hole waiting to happen. Regardless of how often they have you patch.

Btw, Silicon Image's RAID controller GUI uses Java. In fact, it requires and installs a really outdated 5.x version.

Edit: Pogo.com requires browser java for many of their online games.

Edit: Java would not be nearly as risky, if it implemented a "whitelist" for sites that it was allowed to run on. Why they haven't done this is beyond me.

 

[Virgorising]

Java (in the browser) is a HUGE security hole waiting to happen. Regardless of how often they have you patch.

Btw, Silicon Image's RAID controller GUI uses Java. In fact, it requires and installs a really outdated 5.x version.

An impending SINK HOLE!

But, from the Get.....I just assumed I needed it, and that no system could function normally without it! I assumed....until I POSTED!:awe:

Another exmaple of not having all the data U need.....or WANT.

 

[Dude111]

something will always come up that needs it

Indeed........ Some sites like mediaconverter.org WILL NOT WORK IF YOU HAVE JAVASCRIPT DISABLED...... But for general surfing,ITS SAFER/FASTER TO HAVE THEM DISABLED!

 

[John Connor]

Java and Javascript are two separate things...

I have Java installed, but use the add-on for Firefox called Quickjava to disable it unless I need it. Always keep plugins updated since that is one way Cryptolocker can get in.

 

[Dude111]

Yes there is and I should have mentioned that..... I cant understand why MOST do not realise this..

JAVA IS NEEDED TO PLAY THIS: http://glenn.sanson.free.fr/fb/play.html

JAVASCRIPT IS NOT..