is it wrong to try and get someone fired?

nageov3t

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so there's this guy in my company... he's not in my department, but he's the manager of a department that mine works closely with on a daily basis.

he pretty much sucks at his job. in the last 6 months, everyone from his department has asked me or my boss about transferring into our department and we're scrambling every week to get stuff done whenever we need things from them. the problem is that there's no one really above the person in question. technically, the CFO is his boss, but our CFO is the definition of laizzes faire, at least when it comes to the day to day operations of our company. he does his thing, mostly doing crap with/for investors and occasionally steps in to oversee large expenditures like when we need to drop a couple dozen K's.

the person in question isn't doing anything worth bringing up to HR, he's just bad at his job and shit doesn't get done within his department unless us outside departments circumvent the chain of command or just do the things his department is responsible for ourselves. his responses to criticism or suggestions are textbook defensive and nothing changes.

so apparently the managers from a couple departments sat down and decided that they had to get the guy fired. the directive given to me was not to do anything deliberate, but to: not bust my ass to make things work that should have been taken care of on his end, not do his job for him / cover for his department (unless it would adversely affect a client, in which case, do it but make a stink about having to), and talk about what a piss-poor job he's doing with people in other departments who might not work with his department directly... the plan being that if we get the entire company talking about what a mess his department is, eventually the CFO will have to notice.

my question is, is this a messed up thing to do?
 

mattjbak

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it's messed up in the sense that you got delegated a task that makes you look bad while carrying out.

ie. always bust your ass on everything, playing the gossip game is different and perfectly acceptable.
 

Gunslinger08

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Why don't the managers just go to the CFO and tell him how bad this other guy is? Sounds like they're setting you up to be the fall guy.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Why don't the managers just go to the CFO and tell him how bad this other guy is? Sounds like they're setting you up to be the fall guy.

getting a meeting with the CFO is like a boy over 16 trying to get a meeting with the pope ;)

it wasn't so much the directive to me personally as it was, "ok, here's what we're all going to be doing."
 

mattjbak

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It's always "we" until it comes down to it being "you", as in the one lower down the food chain.
 

zinfamous

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complain to HR that he offered to "blow you." see if he can successfully deny it. :p
 

Skunkwourk

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I wouldn't do it, NEVER lower your quality of work, even if someone tells you to, you never know if it will come back to bite you in the ass.
 
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I've always felt it was everyones responsibility to act to remove unqualified people from their positions if they don't deserve them.
 

nageov3t

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as long as I've got documentation that I can't do x/y/z because someone else isn't doing a/b/c (and proof of repeatedly requesting for it to get done and said emails/messages/phone calls being ignored), I'm pretty safe.
 

randay

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Originally posted by: loki8481
as long as I've got documentation that I can't do x/y/z because someone else isn't doing a/b/c (and proof of repeatedly requesting for it to get done and said emails/messages/phone calls being ignored), I'm pretty safe.

safe? how do you know this for a fact? did you ask HR? you should double check and run all this by HR. if they say you are safe, then you are safe.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: randay
Originally posted by: loki8481
as long as I've got documentation that I can't do x/y/z because someone else isn't doing a/b/c (and proof of repeatedly requesting for it to get done and said emails/messages/phone calls being ignored), I'm pretty safe.

safe? how do you know this for a fact? did you ask HR? you should double check and run all this by HR. if they say you are safe, then you are safe.

I know my company... I can't imagine a situation in which I'd get in trouble for not doing someone else's job for them, as long as client's aren't directly affected (especially someone who doesn't even work in my department).
 

Geekbabe

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Managers and supervisors get pais to evaluate and manage people..which includes the documentation paper trail needed tpo suspend or fire people.

I say do your own work and let the managers do theirs.. byw if I were you I'd be worried about my own position,the way your higher up's are going about this totally reeks.
 

compuwiz1

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Originally posted by: Geekbabe
Managers and supervisors get pais to evaluate and manage people..which includes the documentation paper trail needed tpo suspend or fire people.

I say do your own work and let the managers do theirs.. byw if I were you I'd be worried about my own position,the way your higher up's are going about this totally reeks.


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wiredspider

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Sounds like the same situation I have with a co-worker...the guy seriously contributes nothing. I have a little trail of proof of his do nothingness...deciding if I should turn it in or just let it go....
 

LuckyTaxi

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Time for a quick story. I was one of two sysadmins. The folks in our group didn't like the other guy and wanted to get him fired. I said no I wont be a part of it. I even told my immediate supervisor but the guy had no backbone.
One day the other sysadmin resigned and I finally said enough was enough. I left two days later and never looked back. Moral of the story? When it comes down to it I probably wouldnt do it. I didnt like the guy cuz of his attitude but
he did his job each day.
 

Squisher

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Ahh "strategic incompetence" I've used it many times to get my coworkers to do their jobs.

You can't keep enabling this person to be incompetent by doing his work for him. It isn't good for the company or for him. Think of it as doing the company and him a favor. It's obvious he is not aware of his incompetence and you are just enlightening him. Think of it as a gift that you are giving him which will allow him to seek personal growth.


How's that?