Is it wrong of me to think this?

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Stunt
Actually the experts are saying that the aid now is what is going to determine the size of the catastophe.
As there is tons of disease, no food, and no medication...

Giving later is a patchwork job...and we are all going to give monetary support.
Look at the numbers now...they matter.

Giving later is a "patchwork job"? are you nutz? there is nothing wrong with giving money in timely increments.

sometimes it is cheaper to buy an acura and pay minimal maintinence than buying a lemon and trying to make it run.

The amount and timeliness in the aid is paramount.
Unless you want to end up paying more in costs, lives, and suffering...

Listen to the news, listen to the UN task force, listen to the experts.
In the end you will probably pay the most...woopee do.
The rich pay the most taxes in the US as well...The US is the richest nation in the world.

Fall in line with the rest of the countries and notice that $1.6 per person right now is not going to cut it for a superpower.

how much have you donated?

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: Bulldog13

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: Aimster
Well they don't have a military that is able to send power to that part of the world. Only a select few have the military power to send carriers to those nations to assist. The M.E has sent aid to the region (they've sent money), and it is sufficient with how they live. If you look beyond the M.E you will see almost every country is limited in what they can do.

The countries that generate a lot of money are having a donation war. The ones that live an average lifestyle are limited in how much money they can send.

The U.S = Microsoft
The M.E = AOL (Alone -TW)

Microsoft has billions of dollars to invest, spend. AOL cannot afford to throw away billions of dollars for investment/spending.

Isn't it ironic ... Isn't it ironic...

DON T YOU THINK

Wow you're so clever when it comes to stripping my entire post and taking two words entirely out of context. I'm pointing out that it's ironic that a few anti-us countries who support terrorist in the name of protecting Muslims from the US are just about invisible when an actual muslim country is in need.

I don't know how the US being already the largest contributer of everything charitable worldwide is somehow stingy and relevent to this.

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: Aimster
Well they don't have a military that is able to send power to that part of the world. Only a select few have the military power to send carriers to those nations to assist. The M.E has sent aid to the region (they've sent money), and it is sufficient with how they live. If you look beyond the M.E you will see almost every country is limited in what they can do.

The countries that generate a lot of money are having a donation war. The ones that live an average lifestyle are limited in how much money they can send.

The U.S = Microsoft
The M.E = AOL (Alone -TW)

Microsoft has billions of dollars to invest, spend. AOL cannot afford to throw away billions of dollars for investment/spending.

We might flush 1/2 a billion helping Indonesia alone. We're definitely the most visible country there. Do you think these Indonesians will warm up to the US after this or 2 years from now they're be siding with their Jihad buddies protesting against the US again.

Ironically too, Aceh is practically a Muslim state because of the heavy influence of Islam. Hopefully these aid can help to change the Muslim community view on the U.S

 

[MattCo]

So why don't we offer $500 million dollars in relief, contingent on the fact that no American Troops are killed in the middle east. For every attack by a militiant muslim, we can reduce the amount by $5 million. That way the only people they will have to blame for not getting a huge relief fund would be the militant muslims.

Get them to police their own.

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: Bulldog13

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: Aimster
Well they don't have a military that is able to send power to that part of the world. Only a select few have the military power to send carriers to those nations to assist. The M.E has sent aid to the region (they've sent money), and it is sufficient with how they live. If you look beyond the M.E you will see almost every country is limited in what they can do.

The countries that generate a lot of money are having a donation war. The ones that live an average lifestyle are limited in how much money they can send.

The U.S = Microsoft
The M.E = AOL (Alone -TW)

Microsoft has billions of dollars to invest, spend. AOL cannot afford to throw away billions of dollars for investment/spending.

Isn't it ironic ... Isn't it ironic...

DON T YOU THINK

It's like raiiiiin... on a wedding day!

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: MattCo
So why don't we offer $500 million dollars in relief, contingent on the fact that no American Troops are killed in the middle east. For every attack by a militiant muslim, we can reduce the amount by $5 million. That way the only people they will have to blame for not getting a huge relief fund would be the militant muslims.

Get them to police their own.

people here would complain about that too!

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: MattCo
So why don't we offer $500 million dollars in relief, contingent on the fact that no American Troops are killed in the middle east. For every attack by a militiant muslim, we can reduce the amount by $5 million. That way the only people they will have to blame for not getting a huge relief fund would be the militant muslims.

Get them to police their own.

ugh...all muslims are not the same...the beliefs are wide ranging. Muslims in general are one of the most peaceful religions in the world. It's like saying the KKK is a reasonable group looking out for the well being of catholics in ireland You can't make deals like that.

Besides $500 gets you to $1.7 per person...how generous

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Stunt
Actually the experts are saying that the aid now is what is going to determine the size of the catastophe.
As there is tons of disease, no food, and no medication...

Giving later is a patchwork job...and we are all going to give monetary support.
Look at the numbers now...they matter.

Giving later is a "patchwork job"? are you nutz? there is nothing wrong with giving money in timely increments.

sometimes it is cheaper to buy an acura and pay minimal maintinence than buying a lemon and trying to make it run.

The amount and timeliness in the aid is paramount.
Unless you want to end up paying more in costs, lives, and suffering...

Listen to the news, listen to the UN task force, listen to the experts.
In the end you will probably pay the most...woopee do.
The rich pay the most taxes in the US as well...The US is the richest nation in the world.

Fall in line with the rest of the countries and notice that $1.6 per person right now is not going to cut it for a superpower.

how much have you donated?

Apparently i have donated 4 times what you have...
I would donate if i wasnt a student with limited resources.

I would if i could...actually it's a good deal. All private donations are being matched by the government.
Plus donations are tax deductable. So you get free donations and the governement doubles it.
I recommend everyone donating...nothing but good can come of it.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Stunt
Actually the experts are saying that the aid now is what is going to determine the size of the catastophe.
As there is tons of disease, no food, and no medication...

Giving later is a patchwork job...and we are all going to give monetary support.
Look at the numbers now...they matter.

Giving later is a "patchwork job"? are you nutz? there is nothing wrong with giving money in timely increments.

sometimes it is cheaper to buy an acura and pay minimal maintinence than buying a lemon and trying to make it run.

The amount and timeliness in the aid is paramount.
Unless you want to end up paying more in costs, lives, and suffering...

Listen to the news, listen to the UN task force, listen to the experts.
In the end you will probably pay the most...woopee do.
The rich pay the most taxes in the US as well...The US is the richest nation in the world.

Fall in line with the rest of the countries and notice that $1.6 per person right now is not going to cut it for a superpower.

how much have you donated?

Apparently i have donated 4 times what you have...
I would donate if i wasnt a student with limited resources.

I would if i could...actually it's a good deal. All private donations are being matched by the government.
Plus donations are tax deductable. So you get free donations and the governement doubles it.
I recommend everyone donating...nothing but good can come of it.

you have donated 4x what i have? i think not.

and every dollar counts. you could donate if you wanted too. put your money where your mouth is.

 

[Stunt]

my country has donated $6.8 a person
yours has donated $1.6 a person

Isn't that hard to figure out...
My parents have donated...and i think that was very nice of them.
I like to see money go to people in need. Don't you?

Like i said...if this happened a year from now while i was out of university and making money...i'd for sure donate...without hesitation.

 

[Skiguy411]

Originally posted by: scauffiel

Call me goofy, but I don't recall all of the aid pouring in from these countries during the hurricane horror show across Florida this past summer... How many BILLIONS did THAT cost? How many people from these countries jumped online to hit amazon.com to donate their hard earned cash to the United States?

Man, it gets old always being WRONG as an American. No matter if I'm giving money or giving blood, I'm wrong - didn't give enough, didn't give it fast enough, didn't fly my fvcking flags at half mast, didnt' didn't didn't.... Please. They can all pack sand.

Next time I'll try not to sugar coat it.

Steve

:thumbsup:

I totally agree with your last 2 paragraphs. I thought I was the only one who felt this way. :beer:

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Stunt
my country has donated $6.8 a person
yours has donated $1.6 a person

Isn't that hard to figure out...
My parents have donated...and i think that was very nice of them.
I like to see money go to people in need. Don't you?

Like i said...if this happened a year from now while i was out of university and making money...i'd for sure donate...without hesitation.

i was talking a personal donation.


and are you talking $6.8 a person in Canadian funds?
versus $1.6 a person in U.S. funds?


also, i doubt your statistics.

 

[Mallow]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Being a Muslim does not automatically make you a terrorist.

Chew on this...
Not all muslims are terrorists... however, nearly all terrorists are muslim.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Stunt
my country has donated $6.8 a person
yours has donated $1.6 a person

Isn't that hard to figure out...
My parents have donated...and i think that was very nice of them.
I like to see money go to people in need. Don't you?

Like i said...if this happened a year from now while i was out of university and making money...i'd for sure donate...without hesitation.

i was talking a personal donation.


and are you talking $6.8 a person in Canadian funds?
versus $1.6 a person in U.S. funds?


also, i doubt your statistics.

Yes...american funds...
Earlier Source

Canada CAD 164.2m (?49m, USD 136m), including CAD 80m (USD 66.14) from federal government [12] (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada...in-meeting050102.html), plus $17.9 m from provinces,[13] (http://www.abc.net.au/news/new...s/200501/s1275594.htm) plus debt moratorium worth $30m - $40m annually [14] (http://www.theglobeandmail.com...wdebt30/BNStory/Front), plus commitment to match all private donations as of Jan 11 2005[15] (http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne..._na/tsunami_donations) CAD 40.3m (USD 33.3), including CAD 36.3m (USD 30m), plus CAD 3.75m (USD 3.1m) from business, plus CAD 250k (USD 206.7k) from unions [16]

Canada = $203mill (pop.30mill)

United States USD 350m [33] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor...a-pacific/4138763.stm) USD 80m corporations [34] (http://washingtontimes.com/nat...1231-112357-1511r.htm) + 64m by American Red Cross donations [35]

US = $500mill (pop.300mill)

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Stunt
my country has donated $6.8 a person
yours has donated $1.6 a person

Isn't that hard to figure out...
My parents have donated...and i think that was very nice of them.
I like to see money go to people in need. Don't you?

Like i said...if this happened a year from now while i was out of university and making money...i'd for sure donate...without hesitation.

i was talking a personal donation.


and are you talking $6.8 a person in Canadian funds?
versus $1.6 a person in U.S. funds?


also, i doubt your statistics.

Yes...american funds...
Earlier Sourse

Canada CAD 164.2m (?49m, USD 136m), including CAD 80m (USD 66.14) from federal government [12] (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada...in-meeting050102.html), plus $17.9 m from provinces,[13] (http://www.abc.net.au/news/new...s/200501/s1275594.htm) plus debt moratorium worth $30m - $40m annually [14] (http://www.theglobeandmail.com...wdebt30/BNStory/Front), plus commitment to match all private donations as of Jan 11 2005[15] (http://story.news.yahoo.com/ne..._na/tsunami_donations) CAD 40.3m (USD 33.3), including CAD 36.3m (USD 30m), plus CAD 3.75m (USD 3.1m) from business, plus CAD 250k (USD 206.7k) from unions [16]

Canada = $203mill (pop.30mill)

United States USD 350m [33] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor...a-pacific/4138763.stm) USD 80m corporations [34] (http://washingtontimes.com/nat...1231-112357-1511r.htm) + 64m by American Red Cross donations [35]

US = $500mill (pop.300mill)

in the end we will whoop your ass in the final tally of donations. so what is your point again?

and your linking sucks. the links listed: the 3rd one, 5th, 6th and 7th have failed. in other words only 3 out of your 7 links worked.

and i also believe your countries donation is being noted in CANADIAN MONEY, so factor in the exchange rate if you are gonna compare it to the United States.

 

[Attrox]

Originally posted by: Skiguy411

Originally posted by: scauffiel

Call me goofy, but I don't recall all of the aid pouring in from these countries during the hurricane horror show across Florida this past summer... How many BILLIONS did THAT cost? How many people from these countries jumped online to hit amazon.com to donate their hard earned cash to the United States?

Man, it gets old always being WRONG as an American. No matter if I'm giving money or giving blood, I'm wrong - didn't give enough, didn't give it fast enough, didn't fly my fvcking flags at half mast, didnt' didn't didn't.... Please. They can all pack sand.

Next time I'll try not to sugar coat it.

Steve

:thumbsup:

I totally agree with your last 2 paragraphs. I thought I was the only one who felt this way. :beer:

:thumbsup:

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Mallow

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Being a Muslim does not automatically make you a terrorist.

Chew on this...
Not all muslims are terrorists... however, nearly all terrorists are muslim.

Ugh...how bout the last terrorist attack on US soil before 9/11?
OK city...damn muslims!!

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
in the end we will whoop your ass in the final tally of donations. so what is your point again?
(your last two links suck btw)

Because i copy and pasted from the wickipedia link...go take a look at it...it's a good read.

Again...i would like to emphasize the fact that the US is severly being outdone by the rest of the world.
Shows lack of compassion and that the only things worth spending on are war.
The US wants to be a leader but only militarily.
The US no longer sets an example.
Time for a new superpower with vision and determination to make the world a better place.

Also...i would like you to note that the timeliness of the aid is important...aid now will limit the spead of disease and famine. Remember we are a global community, the disease can easily hit the US or affect the US. So think of it as a long term investment in your health, and safety.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade
in the end we will whoop your ass in the final tally of donations. so what is your point again?
(your last two links suck btw)

Because i copy and pasted from the wickipedia link...go take a look at it...it's a good read.

Again...i would like to emphasize the fact that the US is severly being outdone by the rest of the world.
Shows lack of compassion and that the only things worth spending on are war.
The US wants to be a leader but only militarily.
The US no longer sets an example.
Time for a new superpower with vision and determination to make the world a better place.

Also...i would like you to note that the timeliness of the aid is important...aid now will limit the spead of disease and famine. Remember we are a global community, the disease can easily hit the US or affect the US. So think of it as a long term investment in your health, and safety.

you are annoying.

we are a leader in humanitarian aid being we donated 40% of ALL the humantarian aid in the world last year.

Bush noted that the United States provided $2.4 billion "in food, in cash, in humanitarian relief to cover the disasters for last year. ... That's 40 percent of all the relief aid given in the world last year."

But the journey from the $35 million to potentially $1 billion or more in help for the tens of thousands of latest victims is fraught with bureaucratic twists.

First, the U.S. Agency for International Development, which distributes foreign aid, will have to ask for more money, since the initial $35 million aid package drained its emergency relief fund, said Andrew Natsios, the agency's administrator.

"We just spent it," Natsios said in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press. "We'll be talking to the (White House) budget office ... (about) what to do at this point."

Natsios said the Pentagon also is spending tens of millions to mobilize an additional relief operation, with C-130 transport planes winging their way from Dubai to Indonesia with tents, blankets, food and water bags.

As of Wednesday, dozens of countries and relief groups had pledged at least $261 million in help for South and East Asia, said the Geneva-based U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

"There's no doubt there'll be more than that," said Jamie McGoldrick, the U.N. officer in charge of coordinating the international response from Switzerland. "The size of this thing is a challenge."

But measuring the generosity of the United States depends on the yardstick.

The U.S. government is always near the top in total humanitarian aid dollars - even before private donations are counted - but it finishes near the bottom of the list of rich countries when that money is compared to gross national product.

Such figures were what prompted Jan Egeland - the United Nations' emergency relief coordinator and former head of the Norwegian Red Cross - to challenge the giving of rich nations.

"We were more generous when we were less rich, many of the rich countries," Egeland said. "And it is beyond me, why are we so stingy, really. ... Even Christmas time should remind many Western countries at least how rich we have become."

Egeland told reporters Tuesday his complaint wasn't directed at any nation in particular.

Secretary of State Colin Powell clearly was annoyed while making the rounds of the morning television news shows Tuesday. He said it remains to be determined what the eventual U.S. contribution will be, but that he agrees with estimates that the total international aid effort "will run into the billions of dollars."

Natsios was quick to point out Tuesday that foreign assistance for development and emergency relief rose from $10 billion in President Clinton's last year to $24 billion under President Bush in 2003. Powell said U.S. assistance for this week's earthquake and tsunamis alone will eventually exceed $1 billion.

"The notion that the United States is not generous is simply not true, factually," Natsios said.

The United States uses the most common measure of the Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a group of 30 rich nations that counts development aid.

By that measure, the United States spent almost $15.8 billion for "official development assistance" to developing countries in 2003. Next closest was Japan, at $8.9 billion.

That doesn't include billions more the United States spends in other areas, such as AIDS and HIV programs and other U.N. assistance.

Measured another way, as a percentage of gross national product, the OECD's figures on development aid show that as of April, none of the world's richest countries donated even 1 percent of its gross national product. Norway was highest, at 0.92 percent; the United States was last, at 0.14 percent.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041229/D879EB6O0.html

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: Aimster
Well they don't have a military that is able to send power to that part of the world. Only a select few have the military power to send carriers to those nations to assist. The M.E has sent aid to the region (they've sent money), and it is sufficient with how they live. If you look beyond the M.E you will see almost every country is limited in what they can do.

The countries that generate a lot of money are having a donation war. The ones that live an average lifestyle are limited in how much money they can send.

The U.S = Microsoft
The M.E = AOL (Alone -TW)

Microsoft has billions of dollars to invest, spend. AOL cannot afford to throw away billions of dollars for investment/spending.

I remember when Taiwan had an earthquake several years ago, Mexico sent a bunch of rescue workers also. Isn't it ironic that the countries that generates the most terrorist also have a general population that thinks the US and the rest of the western world are anti-muslim? Isn't it ironic that these same countries have the greatest amount of looney toons that their government support who are always advocating for muslims to unite against the US? Where are these countries when one of their fellow Muslims are down?


We might flush 1/2 a billion helping Indonesia alone. We're definitely the most visible country there. Do you think these Indonesians will warm up to the US after this or 2 years from now they're be siding with their Jihad buddies protesting against the US again.

I think you need to step outside Americans have been going to Indonesia for a long time now

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Attrox

Originally posted by: Skiguy411

Originally posted by: scauffiel

Call me goofy, but I don't recall all of the aid pouring in from these countries during the hurricane horror show across Florida this past summer... How many BILLIONS did THAT cost? How many people from these countries jumped online to hit amazon.com to donate their hard earned cash to the United States?

Man, it gets old always being WRONG as an American. No matter if I'm giving money or giving blood, I'm wrong - didn't give enough, didn't give it fast enough, didn't fly my fvcking flags at half mast, didnt' didn't didn't.... Please. They can all pack sand.

Next time I'll try not to sugar coat it.

Steve

:thumbsup:

I totally agree with your last 2 paragraphs. I thought I was the only one who felt this way. :beer:

:thumbsup:

Dont get me worng guys. The world is appreciative of the money you have donated...it is very generous.
I am just questioning the role you want to take in this effort. And the role of the US in general...Here i thought the US was a leader. I guess they are followers. Which is fine...level the playing field a bit. More money for nations playing active roles in the international community.

 

[Aimster]

I can also bring up a handful of non-Muslim countries in EUROPE/ASIA who have donated less than countries in the M.E.

 

[Mallow]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Mallow

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Being a Muslim does not automatically make you a terrorist.

Chew on this...
Not all muslims are terrorists... however, nearly all terrorists are muslim.

Ugh...how bout the last terrorist attack on US soil before 9/11?
OK city...damn muslims!!

Wow, what did you prove with that statement? The next terrorist activity before Oklahoma City? World Trade Center bombing! Wow, damn muslims!

I'm not trying to pick on muslims but the fact is this, nearly all terrorists are muslims. I never said all terrorist acts were commited by muslims.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
we are a leader in humanitarian aid being we donated 40% of ALL the humantarian aid in the world last year.

The world is thankful for your aid. But how much is military equipment in Israel and Columbia going to help the people of indonesia and sri lanka?

Anyways, you can be a scrooge all you want...i just hope you are damn thankful you are not living in these affected areas...Some of us are not fortunate enough to choose our birthplace. The least we can do is help when times get tough.

Tell me why an increase of spending is bad??

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: moshquerade
we are a leader in humanitarian aid being we donated 40% of ALL the humantarian aid in the world last year.

The world is thankful for your aid. But how much is military equipment in Israel and Columbia going to help the people of indonesia and sri lanka?

Anyways, you can be a scrooge all you want...i just hope you are damn thankful you are not living in these affected areas...Some of us are not fortunate enough to choose our birthplace. The least we can do is help when times get tough.

Tell me why an increase of spending is bad??

U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln.