Is it worth upgrading my PC, or should I get into consoles?

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TheNiceGuy

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Thanks, mindcycle you posted while I was typing, and I didn't see that.
What do you guys think of the hardare upgrade I posted - is it OK? What is the bottelneck there for BF3?
 

Gothgar

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Thanks, mindcycle you posted while I was typing, and I didn't see that.
What do you guys think of the hardare upgrade I posted - is it OK? What is the bottelneck there for BF3?

It will run the game for sure.

Your bottleneck I am guessing will be in the 6850.
 

wanderer27

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Someone has probably said this already, but if all you use your PC for is gaming (and in particular Console ports), then you'd probably save some cash and (DRM) headaches going with a Console.

However, if you do anything else (Internet, Office, Video/Audio/Encoding, etc.), then upgrading your PC can be a good deal.

I've actually just updated my System (need to change Sig soon), and while I didn't really need too, this may well be the last upgrade I have to do (2700K, 16GB, Win7x64).



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gladiatorua

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The easy way:
- 2x4GB DDR2
- Radeon 6870
- Mild overclock of CPU.
The most impractical part is RAM because DDR2 is not cheap. CPU shouldn't matter much.
 
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Houston, Japan!

Seriously tho, if it's noticeably more expensive, I would go the console route. PC gaming can be/is cheap in the states, so a lot of us take it for granted, but console gaming is a lot of fun too.

Even Battlefield 3 is fine on consoles, yes, the number of players in a match is but in half, but DICE cuts down the size of the maps on consoles to keep the players closer to each other as well, so it evens out in its own way.

Small maps and half the players? Sounds horrible. Oh don't forget to mention to OP the graphics will be weak and you're maxed out at 30fps on the console. No thanks
 

GullyFoyle

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24 players on Console/64 players on PC is a bigger difference than half.

If the goal of your upgrade is performance with BF3 I would recommend lowering the buget on the CPU and increase it for the GPU.
 

I4AT

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Honestly, I don't see why you would need to spend so much to play BF3. I've only just now skimmed a review cause BF3 isn't my kind of game, but it seems to be optimized for dual core processors only. An i3 530 and an i7 2600K benched within 1 fps of each other suggesting it's a mainly GPU intensive game. Tom's benchmark. I've always found Tom's Hardware to be a bit sketchy, but meh. Overclock your E8400 a little bit (something you can't do with 1155 hardware btw outside of the K series, I personally refuse to support Intel by buying these new chips) and upgrade the GPU and go to 4gb of RAM, if anything.

There's no reason you should have to spend more than $150, especially to play one game.

Turn shadows down to low/medium, reflections to low/off, etc. I know it's all personal taste, but frankly I could not care less about things like shadow quality, reflections, or a few extra shrubs when I'm trying to shoot people in the face... I like to have my textures and geometry high in just about everything I play, but there are plenty of unimportant settings that can be lowered significantly that really don't have much of an impact visually, and zero impact on gameplay, but will make a big difference in boosting frame rates, especially for budget hardware.

I play on a 19" 1366x768 TV. It's an LG 19LE5300, an IPS screen (a rarity in monitors this size), with dual HDMI inputs and a headphone jack. I can have my PS3 and my PC hooked up without ever having to switch cables, and at night I can plug in headphones when using the PS3 and not bother anyone around me. I got this thing for $110 on Ebay. I consider the low resolution a plus, one because it doesn't stretch my 720p PS3 games to fill a 1080p+ (or worse, 16:10) screen, and two it allows me to play newer games with budget builds.

Right now I'm running an 1156 i3 and a GTS 250. I've seen recent deals for GTS 250's at under $40 after rebate, that's less than the cost of a new console game. I'm always a generation or two behind as far as hardware goes, but I have 100% of the fun at a fraction of the cost.

Quality Comparison
They go for a cut and dry Ultra - High - Medium - Low, but you would obviously be able to mix and match with custom settings. You've budgeted yourself $700 for an upgrade, ask yourself if the jump from Ultra to Medium here is worth $700. For some people it'll be a yes, for me it's a hell no. Since you play at 1680x1050 you would probably need a slight GPU upgrade, if you ran 1366x768 you could possibly even get high textures/geometry, medium shadows, low foliage with your existing hardware and have a very decent looking game.

Ambient Occlusion
See if you can even spot the difference between these screens at first glance. I had to back out and read the description then take another look to notice the shadow in the corner where the walls meet. They say ambient occlusion can have as high as a 10-15fps penalty.

More on AA and AO

As far as the console versions, they'll definitely be 30fps locked, probably a mix of low/medium settings. I wouldn't bother when your current PC is already a pretty large step up from what they have to offer.
 
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railven

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I'm not sure about your connections (friend/family) but I found it much cheaper to build the PC in my area and mail it to friends/family overseas versus trying to find them decent priced parts in their area or through vendors that don't have insane international shipping prices.

Fortunately for me I live by a MC, so the cost saving in the processor often covers the shipping cost alone. Building it and shipping it build cuts on weight too (1lb off frieght is like ~$5-10 sometimes).

Of course, not sure how customs work for you thankfully I haven't had to jump through any hoops yet. Just a suggestion if it's viable.
 

Necc

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Just get a GTX460/HD6850 new or even used and overclock your E8400 to 3.0Ghz+ and you're set for Battlefield 3, dont waste your money on consoles just for 1 game.
 

TheNiceGuy

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Thanks again for all the comments. I4AT, I like your thinking.
Wanderer27, my first PC build was an A8N-SLI. The manager at the local shop ripped us off on a desktop, promising it could run all the newest games, it didn't even have an AGP slot and gave an error when I tried a 2 yearold game. Spending months trying to find the "error", and my wife refusing to back me up in translating for a refund or exchange, is how I got into building my own PC. Still angry about the whole affair, the way it happened and being unable to speak properly or express myself the way I wanted.

Railven, good idea, but I can't think of anyone who could do that for me.

Anyway, BF3 is in the mail, should be here in a couple of weeks. At this stage I'm thinking:
HD 6850 - 12000yen/$160
cheapy DDR2 2gbx2=4gb - 4000yen/$50
total = 16000yen/ $210

Can my old MB process the GPU OK? The bottle neck will be the GPU or...? The DDR2 ram is silly, 2x4gb noname sticks are 8000+yen/$110, but 2x4GB ddr3 is $40. I assume DDR3 wont work in my MB. And that 6850 is the cheapest, a noname brand "Saphire".
I am currently running on one 2gb RAM stick, which I know is not good enough for gamming. I tired finding used/cheap DR2 before and just couldn't.
The only other option I see is to get new MB, CPU, RAM, GPU. The cheapest options (6850;i3;H61MGC;8GBram) are going to be up around 30000yen/$400 with shipping. What would be the bottleneck there? Would there be a huge difference over the previous option to justify the hassle of total rebuild? The main advantage I see is that these are newer componts, so not as likely to die as soon.

I'm kind of leaning towards just adding the new GPU and getting ripped off on DDR2.
 
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Necc

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You dont need more then 4 GB ram for gaming, so I'll just pick another 2GB stick for cheap new or even used. just buy the 6850, and no Sapphire is not a "noname" Brand it's actully a Quality brand. you will be CPU bottlenecked no matter what, you will be playing online iguess so unless you upgrade to something like i5-2500k overclocked to 4.5Ghz+ your E8400 and even the i3 will be bottlenecked.
 

TheNiceGuy

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They only sell my ram brand in dual sticks. Can I add a 2gb noname stick to my Umax, and it will likely run OK together?
 

exar333

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Why do people keep talking about MC? Do you not realize how few of us actually live in the northern US?

The OP even mentioned that he is in Japan and you ignored it.

OP: I am thinking of ditching PCs as well. I think I may wait or the next generation of consoles though (2013).

Sorry, my mistake. No need to be a jerk about it.

The point is that if you shop around you can build a decent PC for not a lot of $$$. Just because you seem to have an 'axe to grind' against PC gaming, doesn't mean we all do too.
 

exar333

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Thanks again for all the comments. I4AT, I like your thinking.
Wanderer27, my first PC build was an A8N-SLI. The manager at the local shop ripped us off on a desktop, promising it could run all the newest games, it didn't even have an AGP slot and gave an error when I tried a 2 yearold game. Spending months trying to find the "error", and my wife refusing to back me up in translating for a refund or exchange, is how I got into building my own PC. Still angry about the whole affair, the way it happened and being unable to speak properly or express myself the way I wanted.

Railven, good idea, but I can't think of anyone who could do that for me.

Anyway, BF3 is in the mail, should be here in a couple of weeks. At this stage I'm thinking:
HD 6850 - 12000yen/$160
cheapy DDR2 2gbx2=4gb - 4000yen/$50
total = 16000yen/ $210

Can my old MB process the GPU OK? The bottle neck will be the GPU or...? The DDR2 ram is silly, 2x4gb noname sticks are 8000+yen/$110, but 2x4GB ddr3 is $40. I assume DDR3 wont work in my MB. And that 6850 is the cheapest, a noname brand "Saphire".
I am currently running on one 2gb RAM stick, which I know is not good enough for gamming. I tired finding used/cheap DR2 before and just couldn't.
The only other option I see is to get new MB, CPU, RAM, GPU. The cheapest options (6850;i3;H61MGC;8GBram) are going to be up around 30000yen/$400 with shipping. What would be the bottleneck there? Would there be a huge difference over the previous option to justify the hassle of total rebuild? The main advantage I see is that these are newer componts, so not as likely to die as soon.

I'm kind of leaning towards just adding the new GPU and getting ripped off on DDR2.

This makes sense. I think it's either you want to pay the minimum on your current rig and get a GPU + some extra memory or build a whole-new system (MB/CPU/RAM/GPU). Keep in mind DD3 nets you more GB/$ than DDR2.

The first option gets you a good GPU to use with a whole new build later too...
 

TheNiceGuy

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How about the "readyboost" option in Vista64? You plug an SD card in though a USB adapter and it simulates RAM. Gimmick or same as buying new RAM?
 

exar333

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How about the "readyboost" option in Vista64? You plug an SD card in though a USB adapter and it simulates RAM. Gimmick or same as buying new RAM?

Gimmick.

It can help with boot times and general windows responsiveness, but it will not any performance to applications.
 

TheNiceGuy

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Sorry, a bit confused. If the CPU is the bottleneck no matter how good, why bother upgrading the gpu?
 

Necc

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Sorry, a bit confused. If the CPU is the bottleneck no matter how good, why bother upgrading the gpu?

Eyecandy?

BF3 Multiplayer is a CPU hog, you should overclock your CPU if you havin't done that yet. set everything to low on 1024x768. run fraps or whatever fps meter you use. if you're satisfied with the performance then upgrade your GPU (or keep your 4850), if its choppy then do a system overhaul (MB+cpu+ram+gpu) but like isaid upgrading to i3 will just gain you few fps.

Edit: even my i3-2100 struggle with counter-strike source with 32 man maps, sometimes it even dips to the low 40s. ican upgrade my GPU to 6850/6870 but idont bother, manly because Ijust play that game. and idont think i'm gpu bottlenecked on 1024x768 everything on low :)
 
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TheNiceGuy

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All right, I'll try that. So the way to tell the CPU is overloaded is choppy? What happens when the GPU or other components are overloaded, and how do you tell that from CPU overload?
I've never overclocked before, I'll research how to on my chip.
 

Gothgar

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the e8400 is easy peasy to OC, just up your FSB to 400 and BAM super stable 3.6ghz 8400, which should work fine on stock cooling without messing with the voltage or anything like that.

Make sure to tell your RAM to run 1:1.
 

Qbah

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If you have 4GB of RAM already (that's how I understand your sig), get a new GPU first and see if that's enough of a boost for you (a HD6870 should be like twice as fast as your HD4850). Also, try to OC your CPU (super easy as mentioned already, just up FSB to 400 and make sure your RAM runs close to its spec).

Only if that won't give you the performance you want, get a new quad core CPU.

Also, if you decide on that and get a 'K' model Sandy Bridge CPU, make sure you get a mobo that supports overclocking (P67 or Z68). Otherwise it's a waste to get a K model (the other chipsets don't support multiplier changes).
 

Necc

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All right, I'll try that. So the way to tell the CPU is overloaded is choppy? What happens when the GPU or other components are overloaded, and how do you tell that from CPU overload?
I've never overclocked before, I'll research how to on my chip.

Set everything to low even your resolution (ex.1024x768) every setting to low, play a scene and check your fps. bump your settings back the way you like it (ex. 1680x1050 +everything to max) repeat the same scene and check fps. if there was no change in fps then you're CPU bottlenecked, otherwise you're GPU bottlenecked.
 
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TheNiceGuy

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Thanks. I have no experience with OC. I just went into BIOS, and there was no option to change "FSB" to "400". The "FSB Speed" was listed as "1333mhz". There was an option for AI Overclock, which gave gave 5-30% OC options, but it said something about adjusting all values automaticaly. Not sure how to adjust FSB to 400 only.