Is it worth upgrading a 770 for GTA 5?

[futurefields]

Also, right now there is an awesome deal on the Gigabyte 970 for $295 but usually 970 hovers at $310-320 for a good card. Compared to a $240 XFX R9 290, it's not even a competition in terms of price/performance. Nearly 33% more expensive for < 10% increase in performance is a bad deal.

I guess it depends on how you define price/performance.

Dollar per dollar, AMD might get you slightly more fps.

Yet on GTA5 my 7950 can't even use MSAA with the DOF effect. So I am forced to use straight FXAA, which looks nasty. The DOF effect is one of the most "next-gen" looking effects in the game. This doesn't happen with Nvidia GPU's.

On COD Advanced Warfare running an AMD GPU causes weird cpu usage, so maps like Recovery, Instinct, and Defender have never worked right for me. Always stutter like crazy. This doesn't happen with Nvidia GPU's.

In games like Batman Arkham series, and Borderlands series, you can't use PhysX unless you have Nvidia.

In the new Assassin's Creed games you need an Nvidia GPU to use TXAA which helps tremendously with the temporal aliasing in open world games. Same with GTA5. AMD GPU's will never have as good image quality in these games because they lack a native temporal AA option.

Jaggies really bother me and I'm sick of them, Nvidia seems to have better options at the moment for getting rid of them. I also love physics in games so I'm looking forward to seeing what PhysX brings to the table.

So it all just depends how you define price/performance.

 

[boozzer]

I guess it depends on how you define price/performance.

Dollar per dollar, AMD might get you slightly more fps.

Yet on GTA5 my 7950 can't even use MSAA with the DOF effect. So I am forced to use straight FXAA, which looks nasty. The DOF effect is one of the most "next-gen" looking effects in the game. This doesn't happen with Nvidia GPU's.

On COD Advanced Warfare running an AMD GPU causes weird cpu usage, so maps like Recovery, Instinct, and Defender have never worked right for me. Always stutter like crazy. This doesn't happen with Nvidia GPU's.

In games like Batman Arkham series, and Borderlands series, you can't use PhysX unless you have Nvidia.

In the new Assassin's Creed games you need an Nvidia GPU to use TXAA which helps tremendously with the temporal aliasing in open world games. Same with GTA5. AMD GPU's will never have as good image quality in these games because they lack a native temporal AA option.

Jaggies really bother me and I'm sick of them, Nvidia seems to have better options at the moment for getting rid of them. I also love physics in games so I'm looking forward to seeing what PhysX brings to the table.

So it all just depends how you define price/performance.

this reads like gameworks is working as a strategy. I must point out. why are you comparing 3 year old amd gpu vs 970/980?

 

[Techhog]

I guess it depends on how you define price/performance.

Dollar per dollar, AMD might get you slightly more fps.

Yet on GTA5 my 7950 can't even use MSAA with the DOF effect. So I am forced to use straight FXAA, which looks nasty. The DOF effect is one of the most "next-gen" looking effects in the game. This doesn't happen with Nvidia GPU's.

On COD Advanced Warfare running an AMD GPU causes weird cpu usage, so maps like Recovery, Instinct, and Defender have never worked right for me. Always stutter like crazy. This doesn't happen with Nvidia GPU's.

In games like Batman Arkham series, and Borderlands series, you can't use PhysX unless you have Nvidia.

In the new Assassin's Creed games you need an Nvidia GPU to use TXAA which helps tremendously with the temporal aliasing in open world games. Same with GTA5. AMD GPU's will never have as good image quality in these games because they lack a native temporal AA option.

Jaggies really bother me and I'm sick of them, Nvidia seems to have better options at the moment for getting rid of them. I also love physics in games so I'm looking forward to seeing what PhysX brings to the table.

So it all just depends how you define price/performance.

So, what you're saying is that GameWorks is one of the worst things there is for consumers who aren't Nvidia fanboys and needs to die.

 

[futurefields]

 

[2is]

So, what you're saying is that GameWorks is one of the worst things there is for consumers who aren't Nvidia fanboys and needs to die.

Perhaps so, but it is what it is. Some people just want to have the best experience possible when playing games and for a GW game that means nvidia for everything else it's pretty much a toss up. Some people see themselves as taking the moral high ground by boycotting nvidia and/or GW games. Others don't care. Bottom line is GW is real, several popular AAA titles incorporate it and for a lot of people that means buying an nvidia card.

 

[Head1985]

My own test
GTA5 everything at max settings even in advanced graphics
i5 2500K@4.8Ghz
8GB Ram
350.12

GTX970 1500/8000
1920x1080 +FXAA.MSAA and TXAA off
Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 35.347847, 95.344337, 76.028732
Pass 1, 25.038916, 66.277306, 42.873508
Pass 2, 44.451504, 127.395897, 77.319817
Pass 3, 36.319042, 110.842102, 84.381355
Pass 4, 30.740427, 125.144997, 62.459087
1920x1080 4xMSAA +4xMSAA reflection.FXAA and TXAA off
Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 13.890735, 85.905205, 55.357521
Pass 1, 20.204216, 57.345039, 32.814011
Pass 2, 35.705799, 128.554550, 52.328091
Pass 3, 29.970280, 97.762291, 58.474659
Pass 4, 7.132593, 90.638260, 49.318192

now GTX670 1280/7400-same performance as stock GTX770
1920x1080 +FXAA.MSAA and TXAA off
Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 14.177142, 103.262962, 53.184898
Pass 1, 10.449851, 42.426723, 30.767361
Pass 2, 12.666436, 130.132599, 51.108154
Pass 3, 7.381062, 104.430779, 44.879185
Pass 4, 1.039602, 125.784859, 46.372120
1920x1080 4xMSAA +4xMSAA reflection.FXAA and TXAA off
Frames Per Second (Higher is better) Min, Max, Avg
Pass 0, 2.040361, 52.222160, 34.070446
Pass 1, 0.775610, 58.993095, 22.886299
Pass 2, 0.446744, 46.308971, 30.964352
Pass 3, 0.461580, 50.757313, 29.844669
Pass 4, 0.770272, 71.395782, 29.155975

Game Lags on GTX670 because not enough Vram with FXAA and with 4xMSAA its unplayable because heavy lags

 

[ocre]

Thanks for the replies guys. I downloaded GTA 5 played it with recommended settings. Looks quite good actually, although not breath taking. Most things are on high I think, some very high, a bit of AA. FPS sticks around 60, 55 in cities, drops to 40 if its very busy. Not too bad.

What really frustrates me though, is the texture quality. The texture quality is on Normal, it won't allow me to increase to high or V.high due to a lack of VRAM. Only 2 gig with my 770 lightning.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-...dr5-1165mhz-gpu-1664-cores-plus-evga-pcb-back

I've just found that on scan. About £270. From what I read just now, a 970 SC should be a fair bit faster than my 770, and with the 4gb should allow me the high res textures? It's expensive for one game, but i usually upgrade annually anyway! This a good way to go? Would my 2500k need OC also to keep up?

you can ignore the ram limits and try anything you want.

As a matter of fact, nvidia has the most in depth and detailed comparisons for IQ, it is the best i have ever seen for any game. You can slide the slider back in forth between settings. It is really really great and obviously the result of hundreds of man hours.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/grand-theft-auto-v-pc-graphics-and-performance-guide

 

[carling220]

Hi, so it's time to purchase after pay day.

I used afterburner on GTA 5, and my GPU and CPU were both hovering around 97% usage, sometimes 100, sometimes 80. FPS was generally 40-55, fairly high settings, but not max.

The gtx 980 is very expensive. So, reading through this thread, I believe the GTX 970 is a good upgrade from my 770? The 980 is double the 970..... Does anyone know which 970 I should buy? There are many different ones, Asus, Gigabyte etc. Although some are only pre-order?

And just to confirm, if i overclock my 2500k, and then buy a 970, should I be able to significantly crank up my settings on all games including GTA 5?

Will my current power supply be sufficient to move from a 770 to 970? I guess I COULD buy two 970's over a 980 for the same price? I am wary of SLI though and know nothing about it.

I hope a 970 would last over 12 months though before being replaced. Or is there something around the corner meaning I should wait??

 

[Spanners]

I've seen the MSI and Gigabyte models get good reviews. I haven't heard of any 970's to avoid so to speak so you can't go too far wrong.

It would allow to you up the settings in GTA V and most recent/upcoming games (I'm assuming you have a 2GB 770? Couldn't see it mentioned)

The power usage is basically the same as your 770 maybe a few watts less even so your current supply should be fine.

Waiting is never a bad move, the upcoming AMD cards may have an effect on the 970's pricing or they may be attractive themselves. On the other-hand you get to enjoy your new card right now!

GL.

 

[RussianSensation]

And just to confirm, if i overclock my 2500k, and then buy a 970, should I be able to significantly crank up my settings on all games including GTA 5?

Not really, 970 is only 40-45% faster than a 770. It's not a "night and day" difference in most games. Sure, it's faster but it's not like going from PS3 to PS4. Where the difference will be major is in situations where the 770 runs into its 2GB of VRAM bottleneck.

I hope a 970 would last over 12 months though before being replaced. Or is there something around the corner meaning I should wait??

Gigabyte G1 970 for $300 with 2 games is a great deal. I'd get that out of the existing 970 deals.

AMD is supposedly launching R9 380/380X cards on June 18th and R9 390/390X cards on June 24th. If you don't mind waiting 1 more month, I would do it. However if you upgrade every 12 months anyway, it doesn't matter as much. Because TW3 and Batman AK are 2 games I would buy anyway, that makes a $300 GTX970 a $240-250 card equivalent. From that point of view, I think that's a great deal.

If however you are thinking 970 SLI and spending $600+, I would definitely wait as there is a strong chance a single R9 390X might be nearly as fast for $650.

 

[manimal]

after recently upgrading from a 6950 and a gtx 580 the difference is really minor when it comes to settings. Sure I can now crank up the aa but it barely makes a difference anyway lol

The advance settings are minor differences at best so in the end upgrading for gta5 only may not be worth it. In your case I would wait if I were you.

Dont discount used as well.

 

[manimal]

Since you mentioned overclocking your I5 is your 770 oced? I know the lightning were factory oc cards but did you max voltage in afterburner? Spend the weekend overclocking your i5 and your 770 and you should see a nice bump in your minimums which may allow you to add a setting or two like shadow aa. Shadow aa makes a huge difference.

additional 2cents.

 

[carling220]

Thanks for replies. I never considered overclocking the card manimal I figured since it was already OC's that was that.

So I can overclock the 2500k AND my 770? That's interesting. I need to read in to it, but that may be a good idea, especially if the prices should drop after June with the new AMD releases. Thanks for the information, I didn't know that! Im a complete n00b with overclocking, so need to read a bit.

 

[Morbus]

I have a 760 and it's totally playable at 1080p (check my specs bellow) with normal textures and most other things maxed.

The game looks good enough. It's unfortunate that it's nowhere near as fun as San Andreas was.

 

[manimal]

Thanks for replies. I never considered overclocking the card manimal I figured since it was already OC's that was that.

So I can overclock the 2500k AND my 770? That's interesting. I need to read in to it, but that may be a good idea, especially if the prices should drop after June with the new AMD releases. Thanks for the information, I didn't know that! Im a complete n00b with overclocking, so need to read a bit.

Hell yes you can!!!

First thing look up a guide about overclocking your board and watch a couple of the videos on youtube.

The graphics card is crazy easy with afterburner.

 

[carling220]

Interesting! That being said, a 970 with Arkham Knight and some other game free! I bet Arkham will be around £30 itself, never mind the other one Witcher.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-...u-1140mhz-boost-1279mhz-1664-cores-1x-dp-2x-d

The asus and EVGA cards arn't available, but the MSI and gigabyte ones are.

I wonder if I'd be able to sell my 770 windforce online maybe also? If that's worth say £100, then a 970 may work out cheap. I also have a spare 560Ti.

Decisions decisions! First step try and overclock my CPU.

 

[RussianSensation]

after recently upgrading from a 6950 and a gtx 580 the difference is really minor when it comes to settings. Sure I can now crank up the aa but it barely makes a difference anyway lol

The advance settings are minor differences at best so in the end upgrading for gta5 only may not be worth it. In your case I would wait if I were you.

Dont discount used as well.

That doesn't even appear to be an upgrade in GTA V according to Computerbase. Most 6950s unlocked to 6970s or overclocked to those speeds easily.

6970 > GTX580 in GTAV by 28%, albeit at unplayable FPS.

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-05/...orce-im-vergleich/3/#diagramm-gta-v-1920-1080

Interesting! That being said, a 970 with Arkham Knight and some other game free! I bet Arkham will be around £30 itself, never mind the other one Witcher.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4gb-...u-1140mhz-boost-1279mhz-1664-cores-1x-dp-2x-d

The asus and EVGA cards arn't available, but the MSI and gigabyte ones are.

I wonder if I'd be able to sell my 770 windforce online maybe also? If that's worth say £100, then a 970 may work out cheap. I also have a spare 560Ti.

Decisions decisions! First step try and overclock my CPU.

Sell 770 and 560Ti. That'll get you a new card. No need to keep those old cards around in boxes, collecting dust.

1080P, with FXAA
970 OC = 49 fps
290X OC = 45.7 fps
290 OC = 44.2 fps
GTX770 = 34.6 fps
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-05/...orce-im-vergleich/3/#diagramm-gta-v-1920-1080

I think with the 2 free games, 970 is a solid deal for 280 pounds.

If you don't care to buy Batman/TW3, then Asus ROG Matrix 290X for 240 pounds is also a good deal. There is also the Asus DCUII R9 290X for 227 pounds.

 

[carling220]

True about old cards! If i felt inclined to just go for it and spend more, is a 980 a much bigger increase than a 970, or not worth it? I think two 970 can be got for same price though. That's something else i'd be interested in.

Would SLI 970 be really fast, and last over a year in modern titles? and faster than a 980? I guess this might present power supply or cooling issues though with SLI, maybe even compatibility issues? Money isn't really a problem, I just don't want to be ripped off. Future proofing is key for over a year.

 

[RussianSensation]

True about old cards! If i felt inclined to just go for it and spend more, is a 980 a much bigger increase than a 970, or not worth it? I think two 970 can be got for same price though. That's something else i'd be interested in.

Would SLI 970 be really fast, and last over a year in modern titles? and faster than a 980? I guess this might present power supply or cooling issues though with SLI, maybe even compatibility issues? Money isn't really a problem, I just don't want to be ripped off. Future proofing is key for over a year.

1. 980 is not worth it over a 970 at current prices ($300 for 970 vs. $515 for a 980).

2. If you are considering $600 on 970 SLI, definitely wait for R9 390X series. As I already said, some rumours have 390X as fast as the Titan X which is just 5-6% within 970 SLI at 1440p. At that point 970 SLI makes no sense. Also, there is a chance of price drops on NV cards.

Buy a 970 today if you plan on keeping just the 970 for 12 months and selling it off. If you want to spend $550-600, wait until June 24th.

Money isn't really a problem, I just don't want to be ripped off. Future proofing is key for over a year.

As others said, if you waited this long with a 770, wait until June 24th - supposed announcement/launch of R9 390X cards.

For now, start overclocking that 2500K so that it doesn't bottleneck faster cards. Also, you can put all your old cards for sale.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

I have:

3770k @ 4.3
16 gig at 1866 CAS 9
Ssd for games and windows
290 gaming at stock

I can play GTA 5:

1440p
Everything maxed out except, FXAA off, MSAA off, MSAA reflection off, Shadows softest (that is third highest)
Advanced graphics maxed out

Day time av 40-50

Night avg 60 or so

Perfectly playable and reasonably smooth.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

You will probably be able to play at settings similar to mine except with a few changes:

1080p instead of 1440p
You'll need to complete disable advanced graphics settings

And I guess that should do it. Especially with a high OC on your CPU.

Though in future games, I would expect a 290 to better a 770 by 50-100% based on the context.

 

[carling220]

Hi again


So the 980Ti release seems to have caused the gtx 980 price to drop slightly? Unless I am imagining it.

Should I get one now, or wait until June 26th as said for the AMD release?

 

[RaistlinZ]

Don't waste money on a 980. It's 15% faster than a 970 but costs 50% more. It's pointless now, it'll be even more pointless when the R9 39x is released.

A 970 would be a decent upgrade over your 770.

 

[Majcric]

You could wait until AMD releases but I don't see 980 going below $499. If I were you I'd either get a 970 or 980ti.

 

[carling220]

A bit confusing. Benchmarks state 980 to be very superior to 970, but from previous posts, the 970 doesn't seem to be too much better than a 770.

I am wondering if the best solution is to buy a second 770 from ebay. I don't want to spend tonnes and love a deal, but money isn't really an issue at the minute. That being said, on scan, the 980ti is very expensive and not available yet. I am keen to get a new GPU now I think.