Oil hit a record high near US$118 a barrel yesterday as rebel attacks cut Nigerian supplies and a Scottish refinery strike threatened North Sea crude production.
Further support came as OPEC officials said the market had enough oil and that the producer group would not ramp up output to help bring down prices despite calls for more oil from some consumer nations.
U.S. light crude settled up US79¢ at US$117.48 a barrel, before hitting US$117.83 in late trade. London Brent crude settled US51¢ higher at US$114.43 a barrel after hitting an all-time peak of US$114.86.
Pipeline attacks in OPEC member Nigeria last week shut 169,000 barrels per day (bpd) of Bonny Light production, forcing Royal Dutch Shell PLC to declare force majeure on exports of the crude.
Originally posted by: Dari
I'm starting to believe that some here have a hard time reading. A response variable is exactly what it is, a variable that responds to a select amount of inputs. The current Federal Reserve doesn't look at millions of variables or a speech made by the head of OPEC. He looks at data based on a few parameters and responds to them. A computer would do the exact same thing. The main difference between a computer and a man is:
1. A rigid obedience to rules
2. No outside interference
3. Much faster response given the data at hand
These primary criterions aren't difficult to discern. No one, including myself, is looking for the perfect interest rate at the right time. All I want is a rigid adherence to monetary policy without interference. Job creation can be handled by the Treasury and elected governments (Federal and state).
My logic here is simple, not complex. Each party focuses on his/her department without crossovers. This will make monetary policy and job creation more efficient.
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Dari
I'm starting to believe that some here have a hard time reading. A response variable is exactly what it is, a variable that responds to a select amount of inputs. The current Federal Reserve doesn't look at millions of variables or a speech made by the head of OPEC. He looks at data based on a few parameters and responds to them. A computer would do the exact same thing. The main difference between a computer and a man is:
1. A rigid obedience to rules
2. No outside interference
3. Much faster response given the data at hand
These primary criterions aren't difficult to discern. No one, including myself, is looking for the perfect interest rate at the right time. All I want is a rigid adherence to monetary policy without interference. Job creation can be handled by the Treasury and elected governments (Federal and state).
My logic here is simple, not complex. Each party focuses on his/her department without crossovers. This will make monetary policy and job creation more efficient.
And what part of human has:
1. Common sense
2. Experience
3. Intuition
To deal with complex economic issues that cannot be parameterized don't you understand?
Originally posted by: Dari
2. No outside interference
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Dari
I'm starting to believe that some here have a hard time reading. A response variable is exactly what it is, a variable that responds to a select amount of inputs. The current Federal Reserve doesn't look at millions of variables or a speech made by the head of OPEC. He looks at data based on a few parameters and responds to them. A computer would do the exact same thing. The main difference between a computer and a man is:
1. A rigid obedience to rules
2. No outside interference
3. Much faster response given the data at hand
These primary criterions aren't difficult to discern. No one, including myself, is looking for the perfect interest rate at the right time. All I want is a rigid adherence to monetary policy without interference. Job creation can be handled by the Treasury and elected governments (Federal and state).
My logic here is simple, not complex. Each party focuses on his/her department without crossovers. This will make monetary policy and job creation more efficient.
And what part of human has:
1. Common sense
2. Experience
3. Intuition
To deal with complex economic issues that cannot be parameterized don't you understand?
Please. If you've ever done anything more than simple statistics you'll understand that, done correctly, analysis of data can provide the quality you seek. Furthermore, as I mentioned before, history can be quantized. If it can be quantized, you can easily qualify it. Again, the common sense, experience, and intuition you seek are all in the data if you know how to get it. This is what math is all about. It isn't just about putting data into excel fields like you probably do. Anyone can do that. The point is to understand the data. If a computer can do all the hard work for you, what makes you think it can't go the last mile? Just give it instructions and it'll follow it.
If you'd like to give me an example of what the experts at the Federal Reserve can do that a computer cannot (aside from kiss ass), I'm all ears.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Dari
I'm starting to believe that some here have a hard time reading. A response variable is exactly what it is, a variable that responds to a select amount of inputs. The current Federal Reserve doesn't look at millions of variables or a speech made by the head of OPEC. He looks at data based on a few parameters and responds to them. A computer would do the exact same thing. The main difference between a computer and a man is:
1. A rigid obedience to rules
2. No outside interference
3. Much faster response given the data at hand
These primary criterions aren't difficult to discern. No one, including myself, is looking for the perfect interest rate at the right time. All I want is a rigid adherence to monetary policy without interference. Job creation can be handled by the Treasury and elected governments (Federal and state).
My logic here is simple, not complex. Each party focuses on his/her department without crossovers. This will make monetary policy and job creation more efficient.
And what part of human has:
1. Common sense
2. Experience
3. Intuition
To deal with complex economic issues that cannot be parameterized don't you understand?
Please. If you've ever done anything more than simple statistics you'll understand that, done correctly, analysis of data can provide the quality you seek. Furthermore, as I mentioned before, history can be quantized. If it can be quantized, you can easily qualify it. Again, the common sense, experience, and intuition you seek are all in the data if you know how to get it. This is what math is all about. It isn't just about putting data into excel fields like you probably do. Anyone can do that. The point is to understand the data. If a computer can do all the hard work for you, what makes you think it can't go the last mile? Just give it instructions and it'll follow it.
If you'd like to give me an example of what the experts at the Federal Reserve can do that a computer cannot (aside from kiss ass), I'm all ears.
think? Use of foresight perhaps? Knowledge of basic economic fundamentals? Knowledge of people?
there is no regression that can be done to determine what you want to do here. Even assuming you could come up with the data fast enough to react, you ignore the fact tha the economy changes quickly and often, and any model, assuming that it could be made, would be rendered useless.
As it is, even the most advanced and complex statistical methods are incredibly ineffective and predicting much of anything when it comes to the economy.
my question to you is what exactly do you think a computer would be able to do, and for that matter, how?
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Dari
I'm starting to believe that some here have a hard time reading. A response variable is exactly what it is, a variable that responds to a select amount of inputs. The current Federal Reserve doesn't look at millions of variables or a speech made by the head of OPEC. He looks at data based on a few parameters and responds to them. A computer would do the exact same thing. The main difference between a computer and a man is:
1. A rigid obedience to rules
2. No outside interference
3. Much faster response given the data at hand
These primary criterions aren't difficult to discern. No one, including myself, is looking for the perfect interest rate at the right time. All I want is a rigid adherence to monetary policy without interference. Job creation can be handled by the Treasury and elected governments (Federal and state).
My logic here is simple, not complex. Each party focuses on his/her department without crossovers. This will make monetary policy and job creation more efficient.
And what part of human has:
1. Common sense
2. Experience
3. Intuition
To deal with complex economic issues that cannot be parameterized don't you understand?
Please. If you've ever done anything more than simple statistics you'll understand that, done correctly, analysis of data can provide the quality you seek. Furthermore, as I mentioned before, history can be quantized. If it can be quantized, you can easily qualify it. Again, the common sense, experience, and intuition you seek are all in the data if you know how to get it. This is what math is all about. It isn't just about putting data into excel fields like you probably do. Anyone can do that. The point is to understand the data. If a computer can do all the hard work for you, what makes you think it can't go the last mile? Just give it instructions and it'll follow it.
If you'd like to give me an example of what the experts at the Federal Reserve can do that a computer cannot (aside from kiss ass), I'm all ears.
think? Use of foresight perhaps? Knowledge of basic economic fundamentals? Knowledge of people?
there is no regression that can be done to determine what you want to do here. Even assuming you could come up with the data fast enough to react, you ignore the fact tha the economy changes quickly and often, and any model, assuming that it could be made, would be rendered useless.
As it is, even the most advanced and complex statistical methods are incredibly ineffective and predicting much of anything when it comes to the economy.
my question to you is what exactly do you think a computer would be able to do, and for that matter, how?
What exactly do you think thinking is? Think about. Seriosuly. It's all about carrying out different scenerios in your mind and seeing the outcome. You may do this several times before you come to a logical conclusion. Well, this is exactly what a computer can do, only faster.
Your knowledge of economics can be turned into an algorithm.
Knowledge of people is another way of saying you can predict what they may do if you do something. But that doesn't even matter if you already have a set of rules that you're going to abide by. The logic is inherent. Knowledge of people does nothing to change the response variable given the data.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Dari
I'm starting to believe that some here have a hard time reading. A response variable is exactly what it is, a variable that responds to a select amount of inputs. The current Federal Reserve doesn't look at millions of variables or a speech made by the head of OPEC. He looks at data based on a few parameters and responds to them. A computer would do the exact same thing. The main difference between a computer and a man is:
1. A rigid obedience to rules
2. No outside interference
3. Much faster response given the data at hand
These primary criterions aren't difficult to discern. No one, including myself, is looking for the perfect interest rate at the right time. All I want is a rigid adherence to monetary policy without interference. Job creation can be handled by the Treasury and elected governments (Federal and state).
My logic here is simple, not complex. Each party focuses on his/her department without crossovers. This will make monetary policy and job creation more efficient.
And what part of human has:
1. Common sense
2. Experience
3. Intuition
To deal with complex economic issues that cannot be parameterized don't you understand?
Please. If you've ever done anything more than simple statistics you'll understand that, done correctly, analysis of data can provide the quality you seek. Furthermore, as I mentioned before, history can be quantized. If it can be quantized, you can easily qualify it. Again, the common sense, experience, and intuition you seek are all in the data if you know how to get it. This is what math is all about. It isn't just about putting data into excel fields like you probably do. Anyone can do that. The point is to understand the data. If a computer can do all the hard work for you, what makes you think it can't go the last mile? Just give it instructions and it'll follow it.
If you'd like to give me an example of what the experts at the Federal Reserve can do that a computer cannot (aside from kiss ass), I'm all ears.
think? Use of foresight perhaps? Knowledge of basic economic fundamentals? Knowledge of people?
there is no regression that can be done to determine what you want to do here. Even assuming you could come up with the data fast enough to react, you ignore the fact tha the economy changes quickly and often, and any model, assuming that it could be made, would be rendered useless.
As it is, even the most advanced and complex statistical methods are incredibly ineffective and predicting much of anything when it comes to the economy.
my question to you is what exactly do you think a computer would be able to do, and for that matter, how?
What exactly do you think thinking is? Think about. Seriosuly. It's all about carrying out different scenerios in your mind and seeing the outcome. You may do this several times before you come to a logical conclusion. Well, this is exactly what a computer can do, only faster.
Your knowledge of economics can be turned into an algorithm.
Knowledge of people is another way of saying you can predict what they may do if you do something. But that doesn't even matter if you already have a set of rules that you're going to abide by. The logic is inherent. Knowledge of people does nothing to change the response variable given the data.
so you are a fucking idiot.
ok lock this thread up.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: nergee
How about a free market.....
An example of this is the 1% Fed Funds Rate in 2003-2004. I doubt the market on its own would have reduced interest rates to 1% or held them there for long if it did.
The Fed held rates rates too low too long. This created the biggest housing bubble in history. The Greenspan Fed at a very bad time, compounded the problem by endorsing derivatives and ARMs.
Banks would need someone to borrow money from. The federal funds rate is targeted but the discount rate is controlled by the Feds. If there was no Federal Reserve, politicians would fill such a role. Nobody wants that. We don't have philosopher-kings as leaders. Look at Bush...
The banks would be the place you would borrow money from. What a few of us would like to try out is keeping politicians and government out of our money.
nergee is right on the money. The Fed can't possibly set interest rates better than the free market can. And Warren Buffet strongly advised against derivatives when Greenspan was hailing it. We see now who was right and who was wrong.
free market equilibrium =/= optimality.
Originally posted by: Dari
I think I'm done with you.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Dari
I think I'm done with you.
i don't know what else you expect when you ignore all questions and issues raised and keep repeating the same drivel over and over.
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
The Fed can't possibly set interest rates better than the free market can.
free market equilibrium =/= optimality.
Define optimality.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
The Fed can't possibly set interest rates better than the free market can.
free market equilibrium =/= optimality.
Define optimality.
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In a nutshell, free markets don't work because they don't exist.
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
So: all we need is a more powerful computer than currently exists, an entirely disinterested financial/statistical/computing genius to program it, an equally disinterested genius to define and quantify all the variables to be included, an army of entirely disinterested auditors to collect the real-time data to enter, and a guarantee that politicians won't figure a way to cook the books for their own or their favorite lobbyists' advantage.
It sounds simple enough. When can we start?
edit: punctuation, spelling
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Dari
I think I'm done with you.
i don't know what else you expect when you ignore all questions and issues raised and keep repeating the same drivel over and over.
Someone obviously didn't get the answer they wanted and are crying over it. Go whine to your mother, not me.
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: SleepWalkerX
The Fed can't possibly set interest rates better than the free market can.
free market equilibrium =/= optimality.
Define optimality.
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Text
In a nutshell, free markets don't work because they don't exist.
I wanted you to define optimality because that's actually a relative term. What's optimal for me isn't necessarily optimal for you.
For your first link, you cite social welfare which is actually a debatable topic. Is it social welfare or forced theft?
On your second argument, I'll agree with you there. Market failures may come up from time to time.
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
So: all we need is a more powerful computer than currently exists, an entirely disinterested financial/statistical/computing genius to program it, an equally disinterested genius to define and quantify all the variables to be included, an army of entirely disinterested auditors to collect the real-time data to enter, and a guarantee that politicians won't figure a way to cook the books for their own or their favorite lobbyists' advantage.
It sounds simple enough. When can we start?
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Isn't it great how we have boiled it down to a few independent variables? It will be such a gloriously simple model, not requiring millions of inputs, such as housing, capital ratios, capital flows, liquidity, relative economic valuations for global economies, commodities movements, consumer sentiment, credit expansion or contraction outside the control of the Fed, thousands of other variables (if not millions) all changing each second as the bat-shit-crazy and irrational humans scurry about in their lives, and, of course, the price of tea in china.
Wherever shall we find a horde of disinterested programmers, database experts, statisticians, economic interpreters, testers, and implementers?
Hey, lets outsource it to Accenture, surely those people have no vested interest and will do it correctly?!
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: BansheeX
Not to mention that Wall Street is ahead of the working man in the inflation line when unbacked liquidity trickles down from the banks, meaning that Wall Street's disproportionate benefit is very much a result of the federal reserve and Keynesian policy.
Because these people standing in the soup line after they all lose their jobs after the financial markets collapse from a lack of liquidity.
I guess you didn't read anything about 1929.
Originally posted by: BansheeX
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: BansheeX
Not to mention that Wall Street is ahead of the working man in the inflation line when unbacked liquidity trickles down from the banks, meaning that Wall Street's disproportionate benefit is very much a result of the federal reserve and Keynesian policy.
Because these people standing in the soup line after they all lose their jobs after the financial markets collapse from a lack of liquidity.
I guess you didn't read anything about 1929.
Uhhh, Legend, don't look now but the Fed existed after 1913 and was the root cause of the great depression. Hyperinflation will have the same soup line result as mass deflation and too little money: too much money worth nothing. The great depression happened because of the Federal Reserve contracting the money supply and not following their own policies under the rules of the gold standard.
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
So: all we need is a more powerful computer than currently exists, an entirely disinterested financial/statistical/computing genius to program it, an equally disinterested genius to define and quantify all the variables to be included, an army of entirely disinterested auditors to collect the real-time data to enter, and a guarantee that politicians won't figure a way to cook the books for their own or their favorite lobbyists' advantage.
It sounds simple enough. When can we start?
Originally posted by: Dari
I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand here. Perhaps some are scared of change.
