Is it time for Jews to leave Europe?

[Blanky]

Very long read in theatlantic. http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/03/is-it-time-for-the-jews-to-leave-europe/386279/

I knew many Jews in general were thinking things were not great in Europe, but I didn't realize it was such a pervasive, quantifiable issue.

France’s 475,000 Jews represent less than 1 percent of the country’s population. Yet last year, according to the French Interior Ministry, 51 percent of all racist attacks targeted Jews.

2014 saw the highest number of anti-Semitic incidents in the United Kingdom, which is home to 300,000 Jews, since the organization began its monitoring efforts, in 1984: it recorded 1,168 anti-Semitic incidents. This is more than double the number of incidents in 2013, and exceeds the previous record, from 2009, of 931 incidents.

The leaders of these countries are quite outspoken in their support of Jews, but they are clearly quite a persecuted group. Some of the stats in the article indicate wide fear among Jews about being identified as Jewish or about personal safety. Evidently, France has deployed a lot of armed security in the wake of the attack on that market after Charlie Hebdo, but security cannot be everywhere of course.

 

[soulcougher73]

Very long read in theatlantic. http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/03/is-it-time-for-the-jews-to-leave-europe/386279/

I knew many Jews in general were thinking things were not great in Europe, but I didn't realize it was such a pervasive, quantifiable issue.





The leaders of these countries are quite outspoken in their support of Jews, but they are clearly quite a persecuted group. Some of the stats in the article indicate wide fear among Jews about being identified as Jewish or about personal safety. Evidently, France has deployed a lot of armed security in the wake of the attack on that market after Charlie Hebdo, but security cannot be everywhere of course.

Id like to see the stats on who carried out these racist attack against Jews. I bet i know the problem.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Id like to see the stats on who carried out these racist attack against Jews. I bet i know the problem.

The Germans?

 

[Newell Steamer]

Id like to see the stats on who carried out these racist attack against Jews. I bet i know the problem.

And what would you do to 'solve' the problem?

 

[glenn1]

And what would you do to 'solve' the problem?

Per you we should certainly not tell them their acts were hateful, that would be downright rude and insulting. You'd pat the victims on the head and say "be a good little Jew and don't complain." Better luck next attack, eh?

 

[soulcougher73]

And what would you do to 'solve' the problem?

Me myself? Id deport anyone who has trouble assimilating into a westen society. In fact if it got bad enough if probably shut down immigration from said countries. Not all cultures are meant to live and get along perfectly and willing to abide by the same laws, society, rules etc.

 

[soulcougher73]

The Germans?

Probably only if they were German Nazi Zombies. Then yeah i can see that.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Per you we should certainly not tell them their acts were hateful, that would be downright rude and insulting. You'd pat the victims on the head and say "be a good little Jew and don't complain." Better luck next attack, eh?

I never said that.

But, since we're putting words in other people's mouths - you would instead prefer to kill the entire demographic of the people who committed these crimes.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Me myself? Id deport anyone who has trouble assimilating into a westen society. In fact if it got bad enough if probably shut down immigration from said countries. Not all cultures are meant to live and get along perfectly and willing to abide by the same laws, society, rules etc.

I agree with you on that point. Especially when it comes to crimes. I wouldn't even place an immigrant who committed a crime into our prison - just send them back.

The sticky part comes when the attacks are from the 2nd or 3rd generation; as in citizens of the country. What do you do with them? Deport the entire family?

 

[z1ggy]

Where would they go? Is Israel ready for an influx of 700k+ people?

 

[glenn1]

I never said that.

But, since we're putting words in other people's mouths - you would instead prefer to kill the entire demographic of the people who committed these crimes.

I don't need to put words in your mouth, just read your thread about the bus ads.

Yeah, you're right I do support the death penalty for those who commit murder (Jews or otherwise) or attempt genocide. Somehow I doubt it' an entire demographic who actually committed the crimes, but either way we conduct trials on a per-person basis in this culture and don't do trials of entire tribes or ethnicities. Those committing other attacks I would have prosecuted for the crime they committed and sentenced to whatever the related punishment was.

 

[werepossum]

Were I a Jew in Europe I'd certainly be making plans to get out. Preferably to America or New Zealand.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

An acceleration of the Jewish repatriation to Israel would crowd the country, negatively affect the economy and the standard of living. It would also unavoidably lead to more disputes over the so-called "occupied territories", more grief over the extension of Jewish settlements into Palestine and so on. Israel is already surrounded by bloodthirsty neighbours, who would love nothing more than to be able to point at the Israeli people and yell "Expansionists!", along with other less savory words...

 

[soulcougher73]

I agree with you on that point. Especially when it comes to crimes. I wouldn't even place an immigrant who committed a crime into our prison - just send them back.

The sticky part comes when the attacks are from the 2nd or 3rd generation; as in citizens of the country. What do you do with them? Deport the entire family?

I guess in those cases just have a trial and sentence them to death if found guilty.

 

[boomerang]

Were I a Jew in Europe I'd certainly be making plans to get out. Preferably to America or New Zealand.

There is an inhospitable environment forming here. Worse than it already has been. Paying attention to the going's on at Colleges across the nation? There's selective tolerance being taught in our institutions of progressive learning. Hell, Obama is being accused right now of attempts to undermine the elections in Israel.

 

[Victorian Gray]

There is an inhospitable environment forming here. Worse than it already has been. Paying attention to the going's on at Colleges across the nation? There's selective tolerance being taught in our institutions of progressive learning. Hell, Obama is being accused right now of attempts to undermine the elections in Israel.

That would be as part of the international conspiracy against Bibi? Or is he operating separately?

"JERUSALEM — Benjamin Netanyahu launched an 11th-hour attempt to rally right-wing support and retain power Sunday as he claimed an international conspiracy was attempting to topple his government.

Speaking ahead of a rally in Tel Aviv just two days before a general election that polls show his Likud party to be in danger of losing, Mr. Netanyahu said there was a concerted “worldwide” effort to unseat him.

He accused the international media and “leftist organizations” of co-ordinating a plot funded to the tune of tens of millions of dollars. The goal was to install a left-wing government led by the Zionist Union opposition, which, he said, would bow to foreign pressure by evacuating settlements, surrendering territory in the West Bank, and dividing Jerusalem, which both Israel and the Palestinians claim as their capital.

In an extraordinary message posted on Facebook, the prime minister wrote: “The government of the right is in danger. Leftist activists and the foreign and international media are conspiring to get Tzipi and Buji [Tzipi Livni and Isaac Herzog, the joint leaders of the Zionist Union] elected via illegitimate means, using innuendo and foreign money."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/0...at-him-in-last-ditch-effort-to-rally-support/

Yep, sounds like a guy who really has his crap together.

 

[fskimospy]

There is an inhospitable environment forming here. Worse than it already has been. Paying attention to the going's on at Colleges across the nation? There's selective tolerance being taught in our institutions of progressive learning. Hell, Obama is being accused right now of attempts to undermine the elections in Israel.

1. There's no evidence any of that is taking place.

2. It's funny watching a guy who has made it his business to meddle in US politics complain about the US meddling in his.

 

[Omar F1]

I found it very stupid idea to encourage the Jews to leave for Palestine/Israel land. It's an Arabic land and will ever be considered such - here in Middle East - no compromise or negotiation on that matter, despite the global efforts to convince otherwise.

That said, I whish every Jew who consider moving into Israel to keep that idea in his mind, and also to remember what happened to the Muslims in former al-Andalus/Spain land after they had successfully occupied it for 800-years, not a mere 60-years only.

However, for some Arab/Muslim citizens of Europe to move the conflict into Europe countries, and to start attacking/harassing Europeans Jews for a matter in which they got nothing to do at all, is the dumbest most arrogant ignorant idea I ever heard of.



By quick reading some, this part has caught my attention:

One Danish imam, Abu Bilal Ismail, became famous last year for urging worshippers in a Berlin mosque to kill Jews: “Count them and kill them to the very last one. Don’t spare a single one of them.” He later explained to a Copenhagen newspaper that he “never meant all Jews.”

How in hell he wasn't deported and thrown into dark cell for the rest of his life, I don't understand why the authorities would turn a blind eye for such a clear national threat.

 

[Victorian Gray]

By quick reading some, this part has caught my attention:

How in hell he wasn't deported and thrown into dark cell for the rest of his life, I don't understand why the authorities would turn a blind eye for such a clear national threat.

He's been investigated and from what I can figure out is either in the process of being charged or has just been charged by German authorities.

 

[MongGrel]

Where would they go? Is Israel ready for an influx of 700k+ people?

I heard this story on NPR today and thought the same thing.

Considering the elections there atm and high priced housing etc, what would happen then.

 

[nickqt]

There is an inhospitable environment forming here. Worse than it already has been. Paying attention to the going's on at Colleges across the nation? There's selective tolerance being taught in our institutions of progressive learning. Hell, Obama is being accused right now of attempts to undermine the elections in Israel.

Oh. My. God.

The US Government, for the first time in its 235+ year history, is attempting to influence a foreign government and foreign election?!?!

Say it ain't so!

 

[alcoholbob]

And what would you do to 'solve' the problem?

Obviously open the doors to more immigration so one day there will be no more Jews that can be attacked.

 

[Spungo]

Obviously open the doors to more immigration so one day there will be no more Jews that can be attacked.

I'm sure attacks targeting Jews will decrease if Europe were to increase immigration from Muslim countries. Anyone who disagrees with me is racist.

 

[Zorkorist]

There is an inhospitable environment forming here. Worse than it already has been. Paying attention to the going's on at Colleges across the nation? There's selective tolerance being taught in our institutions of progressive learning. Hell, Obama is being accused right now of attempts to undermine the elections in Israel.

Religion itself, whether Christian, Muslim, Judaism, is at question today, and it is at odds with secular Government. There's very little good to look for in Religion, that has not already been incorporated in Government. The difference, is that Government allows for contention, argument, and change, while Religion is inflexible.

Religion, is nearing the end of its useful life.

-John

 

[alcoholbob]

Religion itself, whether Christian, Muslim, Judaism, is at question today, and it is at odds with secular Government. There's very little good to look for in Religion, that has not already been incorporated in Government. The difference, is that Government allows for contention, argument, and change, while Religion is inflexible.

Religion, is nearing the end of its useful life.

-John

Religion is great for corporatism though. That's why American companies love doing business in these monarchies, and why America keeps trying to break up secular regimes like the Baathist parties in Iraq and Syria. Just like Christianity had the reformation to end the religious violence, Islam already had its reformation in the Baathist movements, it's just Corporate America loves exporting war and using tried and true British Imperialist methods like Divide and Conquer.