Is it possible to discuss something about science without being interrupted with religious crap?

[Elledan]

<< Is it possible to discuss something about science without being interrupted with religious crap?

No its not. The reason is science can never debunk the idea that God exist. And because we live in a society that is raised to believe in God, our thinking will always refer back to our belief in God as a basis to judge everything in life, including things of science. >>


Maybe the culture in the USA in infested with religion, but have you ever considered that there are countries beyond the USA where other, multiple or no religions play a role in the dominating culture?

[edit]: TheSassyHeifer, you realize that you say that only because you were raised in an evironment filled with religious propaganda?

 

[TheSassyHeifer]

<<< TheSassyHeifer, you realize that you say that only because you were raised in an evironment filled with religious propaganda? >>>


No I wasn't.

 

[SirFshAlot]

I saw that show, loosbrew


classy,
by historical perspective of your posts in other threads, I wouldn't regard your opinion for squat
if you weren't invading threads with religious views, it would most likely be with your reverse-racial whining

 

[hammer01]

I gotta go with SF on this, classy's posts (at least the ones I read) seem less like intelligent ordered thought and more like the deluded ramblings of a very closed mind.

Of course I could be mistaken this would not be the first time that has happened.

 

[loosbrew]

i think the science definitely disproves many religous things, but its all relative. you were just made to believe that your god is the only god and that everything comes from it. when in all actuallality many different people believe many different things, and think of it how you will, it all comes down to peoplpe trying to explain what cant be explained. imagine you living in the times before jesus supposedly lived, and you didnt know diddly squat about space and time and how everything relates to these idea and things, so people try and describe them the best they can. not knowing any better one person who happens to believe in a god tells others stories of how his/her god created the &quot;unexplainable&quot; stars and space and moons etc... dont give me this God is science spiel either, because you cant prove that just as much as i cant fully prove that god doesnt exist.

loosbrew

i only went into this because SFA said it was an open dicussion

 

[TheSassyHeifer]

but even in the times before Christ lived there were laws, natural laws, just because Newton had the apple fall and called it something, didn't mean that people didn't already know that an apple falls to the ground...and I'm sure this is making no sense at all...

All I think is, the laws of the Universe co-inside with God, its hard for some people to seperate the two.

 

[SirFshAlot]

loosbrew,

imagine you living in the times before jesus supposedly lived, and you didnt know diddly squat about space and time and how everything relates to these idea and things,

but is it fathomable to you that in the same time frame in the future, people would be saying the same of us?

 

[loosbrew]

i thinks it is more likely that they will think this way of the people today that try and convince others that thier god is the only thing that makes things work. you presented a very good question that really made me think, which is hard to do these days. the difference is that people who think similarly to the way i do arent trying to convince people of anything. there are many more things that have been so much closer to fact today than back then...BUT! i definitely cannot say that we are completely correct about everything we think we know today. it could very well be that many of things that science has &quot;proven&quot; could very well be off. all i can say about myself is, i believe what i see. if i cant see it, then i have the choice whether to waste my time believing something that could very well be a farse. we defintely are very far from the entire picture and i honestly think that the human race may never find the truth about everything.

does this answer your question at all?
loosbrew

 

[Rio Rebel]

Let me wrap up where this thread is headed:

You can't get God out of science, He's in everything.
But it's irrelevant to the discussion; besides, you people are deluded.
If we're so deluded, why do you atheists bring the subject up so much?
Just to try to help you poor idiots out of your wacky beliefs.
God loves you.
F you
F you too.

Now, back to the thread topic...

 

[hammer01]

Possibly an oversimplification RR, and one that does not give much credit to the people who post here. I suppose cynicism is a legitimate argument however as I am sure you have seen this same argument a number of times. I am blissfully ignorant of such a thing however.

 

[Rio Rebel]

I'm rarely as cynical as I appear...I just find humor in it.

Then again, maybe I AM as cynical as I appear, and I delude myself into thinking I'm not really a pessimist.

hmmm

 

[hammer01]

So maybe you are a cynic who is in denial, hmmm interesting.

 

[Fathom5]

SFA Saturns up during the day right now and sets about 9:30 or so.

 

[Elledan]

Problem with those 'gods' is that if they don't exist, their non-existance can't be proven, therefore we'll continue to argue about whether those gods do or don't exist until we or the Universe cease to exist.

 

[hammer01]

Fathom5 was I correct in assuming then that it is exclusive th the spring equinox or is it autumn and spring? Your insight would be helpful, thanks.

 

[SirFshAlot]

why would you argue about a god's existance in the first place? what's the point?

the concept of a god, by definition, is a matter of faith, not imperical evidence

that's why it's inane and foolish to mix the god thing with scientific discussion

scientists, of all people, should understand the scope of their design

 

[Fathom5]

hammer01 Well right now that's true but only because Saturn has such a slow orbit. It's position does change, just not very quickly.

I just use a shareware planetarium program called Skyglobe 3.6 to look it up quickly. I'm a lot like SFA I haven't been keeping up with astronomy much lately.

 

[hammer01]

Elledan from touch, feel, and see perspective what you say is true. However faith in the belief of God makes God's existence real, because the people who do truly believe in God have faith that he exists, therefore he does. It dates back to the old college conundrum of proving that you exist, and just expounds on it to the point where faith must be acceptable to believe God exists. Everyone need something to believe in (and those who don't think so, are only fooling themselve) but you must choose your own beliefs.

 

[hammer01]

Fathom5, I was of the understanding that Saturns orbit was so slow of a relative change to ours (something on the order of 12000 years to change equinoxes) that all modern observance of Saturn is in the spring equinox. Ya learn something new everyday, I will have to investigate this to find out more, thank you very much Fathom5.

 

[Cyberian]

<< Maybe the culture in the USA in infested with religion, but have you ever considered that there are countries beyond the USA where other, multiple or no religions play a role in the dominating culture? >>



No one stipulated Christianity, only 'religion'.

Other religions are religions.
Multiple religions are religions.

Could you name a couple of those &quot;no religion&quot; countries for me?

 

[classy]

<< I saw that show, loosbrew


classy,
by historical perspective of your posts in other threads, I wouldn't regard your opinion for squat
if you weren't invading threads with religious views, it would most likely be with your reverse-racial whining >>



Are you interested in hearing what people have to say about this issue you brought up in this thread or are you interested in breaking out your bottle to start crying about what was said in other threads. By the way Acme has got some Enfamil on sale this week.

 

[Athanasius]

SirFshAlot quote:



<< . . . you [Athanasius] are more than willing to engage religious banter in great detail in non-religious threads >>




OK, I confess. Guilty as charged in the recent &quot;Big Bang&quot; thread. I directed two posts to RossGr that focused on things he mentioned, (the second one included Moonbeam) but that were tangential to the real point of discussion. My second post was particularly long and off-topic. I should have PM'ed RossGr directly or started another thread.


As far as &quot;religious banter in great detail in non-religious threads&quot;, most of the threads where I &quot;banter&quot; are religious by the time I speak up, and my posts typically address the very point of contention that the thread is focusing on.

However, in the recent Big Bang thread, that wasn't the case. I &quot;crapped&quot; on the thread. Mea culpa.

 

[loosbrew]

<< Everyone need something to believe in (and those who don't think so, are only fooling themselve) >>



If what you mean isnt limited to religion, then you are correct. one way or another everyone believes in what makes sense to them.

SFA
I completely agree with your last post. i dont argue with people that thier gods dont exist, because i understand what those ides mean to them and what they mean to me. in my opinion theres no need for an arguement.

loosbrew

 

[Fathom5]

hammer01 Saturns orbit is 29.5 years.

 

[Elledan]

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<< Maybe the culture in the USA in infested with religion, but have you ever considered that there are countries beyond the USA where other, multiple or no religions play a role in the dominating culture? >>



No one stipulated Christianity, only 'religion'. >>


I never mentioned Christianity specifically.



<< Other religions are religions.
Multiple religions are religions.

Could you name a couple of those &quot;no religion&quot; countries for me? >>


In many European and Asian countries, religion plays nearly no role in the dominating culture. The country I live in, for example, is not even nearly as 'obsessed' by (especially Christianity, BTW) religion as the US. You'll never hear our Queen or prime-minister say something about 'preserving christian values' or the like.