Is it possible to discuss something about science without being interrupted with religious crap?

[BoberFett]

Elledan

Interesting, I just pulled up MS Bookshelf and look what I found about the Netherlands

<< Roman Catholics constitute about 33 percent and Protestants 23 percent of the population; about 39 percent of the people are not church members. >>



<< About one-third of schools are public; about two-thirds are nonpublic, mainly operated by religious institutions. >>

Sounds fairly religious to me. Perhaps if you'd view the world as it is, and not how you'd like it to be, you'd find yourself able to communicate with your fellow humans more effectively.

 

[Khameleon]

Hammer:

It takes far more than just faith for something to exist. Simply because people believe something, i.e. the world is flat, that doesn't make it true. The idea that God exists simply because people believe that he does is quite flawed.

 

[Elledan]

BoberFett, I wasn't referring to the number of religious people in the Netherlands, but to the influence religion (and especially one specific religion) has on the dominating culture.

The number of christians is in this case thus irrelevant.

 

[classy]

Hmmm.............here's a few thoughts. Science usually takes the approach there is no God and that from natural means everything came into being. But yet Columbus a believer and christian read a passage in the bible that says he is the god who sits upon the circle, thus he believed the world was round from what he read in book about a God who science says doesn't exist. The flaw is that the concept of an ultimate being is everywhere on this planet. If you go to the backbush in Africa or the finest cities in England the concept of God exist. For something or someone called God not to exist, how come even in tribes that have unlearned and ignorant people, there is the concept of God. They haven't been influenced by religous folks or science from the modern countries. But yet they have the concept of God. This certainly makes one wonder how come no matter where you go God or somekinda of God is the staple and foundation of those people. Tribes that are isloated from the rest of the world have a concept of God. Why? They can't read or write or go to church or wherever but yet they believe in the concept of God. This is why religion can never be seperated from science. Because the concept of God exist everywhere without science or influence. God is in the very center of man, no matter where that man might be living. Where science is absent the concept of God is. As a matter of fact even where science is the concept of God is. I believe that science and God go together. I don't believe you can have one without the other.

 

[loosbrew]

what are ya, some kind of christian scientists or something

i think your concept is a bit flawed. im not saying that it is in FACT flawed, just that i think its is. see, i think its funny how people who think like you do, have an answer for everything, but dont we all anyway, whenever someone mentions the idea that other people believe in different gods, you guys come back saying that its al the same god and that people just interpret it in the same way...blah blah..just another stitch in the patch work that makes up relgions in general. the african tribes dont have the concpet of your god in them, they have thier own god in them. if it were your god, then they would fall under the same &quot;rules&quot; that your god imposes on you. think of it this way, canibal tribes in africa believe in gods, but how ca you honestly expect someone to believe that this is the same god or gods that you believe since your god makes you fear its wrath if you were to kill another human?

loosbrew

 

[classy]

loosbrew you are correct. But I am not arguing god against god. Or right from wrong. He asks this&quot;Is it possible to discuss something about science without being interrupted with religious crap?&quot; And the answer is no. Because no matter what the God or Gods is or isn't, no mattter where you go you will be faced with somekind of concept that a God or Gods exist. And because of that it would be impossible to think that you can have a discussion of science without the concept of God or some kind of God coming up.

And oh I wished I did have an answer for everything. I would rich and famous then.

 

[SirFshAlot]

Is it possible to talk intelligently without classless interrupting with crap?

 

[classy]

<< Is it possible to talk intelligently without classless interrupting with crap? >>



Another member of the Republican Party I suppose.

 

[Elledan]

<< Hmmm.............here's a few thoughts. Science usually takes the approach there is no God and that from natural means everything came into being. But yet Columbus a believer and christian read a passage in the bible that says he is the god who sits upon the circle, thus he believed the world was round from what he read in book about a God who science says doesn't exist. The flaw is that the concept of an ultimate being is everywhere on this planet. If you go to the backbush in Africa or the finest cities in England the concept of God exist. For something or someone called God not to exist, how come even in tribes that have unlearned and ignorant people, there is the concept of God. They haven't been influenced by religous folks or science from the modern countries. But yet they have the concept of God. This certainly makes one wonder how come no matter where you go God or somekinda of God is the staple and foundation of those people. Tribes that are isloated from the rest of the world have a concept of God. Why? They can't read or write or go to church or wherever but yet they believe in the concept of God. This is why religion can never be seperated from science. Because the concept of God exist everywhere without science or influence. God is in the very center of man, no matter where that man might be living. Where science is absent the concept of God is. As a matter of fact even where science is the concept of God is. I believe that science and God go together. I don't believe you can have one without the other. >>



Remember that article about certain parts of the Human brain which gives us 'spiritual' feelings? Well, there's your (very scientific) answer why so many different populations/tribes know the concept of 'gods'.

 

[loosbrew]

ok, to satisfy your way thinking then...i think it is possible to discuss science without the mention of a god...because...either way it cannot be proven, so the mention of gods deosnt have to come up when lets say SFA and i are discussing the concentration of calcium ions in natural seawater, providing that of course SFA knew what i was talking about gods dont play into the actual facts of how the little things that have already been proven to be true. gods are for things that people cant explain and for weaker individuals who cant handle life relying on themselves for strength. oh yeah, and people have already tried to explain to me that god &quot;in&quot; me and thats why i make my own decisions.

loosbrew
note*this isnt a personal attack against anyone in general, its just the way i feel about religion i general.

 

[MereMortal]

<<Is it possible to discuss something about science without being interrupted with religious crap?>>

On this forum, unlikely. There will always be someone too afraid to let others discuss ideas contrary their own, and who feels compelled to quash those ideas. This is true of any given topic, not just religion or science.

 

[Rio Rebel]

So far, it looks like all of this discussion could have been wrapped up into a two word answer to his question: apparently not.

 

[Elledan]

LOL @ Rio Rebel

It won't surprise me if this turns into yet another religion vs. science 'discussion', AKA flamewar (how impossible it may look, discussion is apparently still possible about two so different topics).

 

[classy]

I belong to about ten different forums. Every last one is just like this one. Where this one seems to differ though is that here a few think that they are special to the point that anyone who gives a contrary opinion they are out of line. And there are what 20-30,000 members of this board. When you make a thread you should expect everyone whether you agree with them or not to respond to your thread. If you want to have a private discussion like the one you suggest loosbrew, you should do that via ICQ, PM, or the good ole fashioned telly.


Remember that article about certain parts of the Human brain which gives us 'spiritual' feelings? Well, there's your (very scientific) answer why so many different populations/tribes know the concept of 'gods'.

Hmmm........once again this proves its difficult to discuss one without the other. But let me clarify I am not into that Christian science stuff. Well let me be done here, since Fishy doesn't want me in his thread. Good thread though. Really.

 

[ElPool]

<< But yet Columbus a believer and christian read a passage in the bible that says he is the god who sits upon the circle, thus he believed the world was round from what he read >>



most intelectuals in columbus' time knew that the world was round.

 

[hammer01]

Khameleon, not really, reality is all in how we perceive it.

 

[loosbrew]

its been a pleasure classy
its always fun to argue without you telling me i belong to satan, even if you believe it or not.

but on thing...

<< If you want to have a private discussion like the one you suggest loosbrew, you should do that via ICQ, PM, or the good ole fashioned telly >>



isnt that why we have an OT forum here? i mean we can pretty much talk about anything we'de like, within the limits of the rules of the board, correct? i mean 90% of the threads here i dont even look at because they dont interest me in anyway, so i stay out of them. if you werent into chemistry, then dont bother reading the thread.

loosbrew

and oh, i never meant to suggest you were a CS, just thought it was funny because of your ideas behind this topic.

 

[Rio Rebel]

<< I belong to about ten different forums. >>



In that case, there are about nine different forums where we wish you'd spend more time.

 

[SirFshAlot]

lol Rio

I was thinking the same thing, but was using my self-promoted ignore clause so as not to further engage.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< Is it possible to discuss something about science without being interrupted with religious crap? >>



Science often requires a religious zeal that is a major part of the Theory.

The answer is no.