Yes, we still have organs that do nothing... therefore at very least those can disappear.
We also crap and piss, somehow that has always seems very primitive to me. Seems like the body could do a better job with our food/water intake.
Lots of things can be improved in our bodies.
We also crap and piss, somehow that has always seems very primitive to me. Seems like the body could do a better job with our food/water intake.
Lots of things can be improved in our bodies.
i don't think our civilization will ever see significant evolvement, because its unlikely that it could survive long enough looking at past civilizations, but i do think that we will see technology improve our lives, esp in the areas of health and comfort
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Maybe heaven requires those do nothing organs or maybe they do do something yet unneeded... like the 90 % of the brain that remains at ease...
I'd like to improve the pain in my back... use to be 6'3" now down to 6'1" and a bit ... lots of compression maybe I should evolve strechers and unlumbar scoliosis or however its spelt..
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as for the waste thing........isn't that based a lot on what we eat? and the organs too, those can get out of here, never wanted an appendix anyways
I find it amusing that Christians actively try to ignore advances made in scientific knowledge, and then act as a support group for themselves to share in each other's stupidity.
What kind of fool would rather believe a 2000 year old book than clearly documented scientific discoveries such as evolution? When you can dig up the bones of various ancestors of modern animals and see that they did in fact go through a series of small changes to evolve over time, how can you choose to ignore that information? Just because a 2000 year old book written by ancients says otherwise?
What kind of fool would rather believe a 2000 year old book than clearly documented scientific discoveries such as evolution? When you can dig up the bones of various ancestors of modern animals and see that they did in fact go through a series of small changes to evolve over time, how can you choose to ignore that information? Just because a 2000 year old book written by ancients says otherwise?
No? We haven't?
Sort of like how people that long ago migrated to areas near the equator have NOT become darker skinned to prevent their skin from being damaged by the sun?
And kind of like how people that migrated to cold climates have NOT adopted a shorter, squatter body shape to conserve heat?
An excerpt of a discussion on Rumi, his mystical vision and understanding of the world, of evolution and the nature of man from the theosophical society:
Begin quote
The distinction in experience between internal and external, subjectivity and objectivity, requires the division of reality into two realms, that of spirit and that of nature. Material objects belong to the latter, but soul is wholly spiritual, and as such is ultimately undifferentiated. Being supersensual and super-rational, it is not other than Deity itself. The soul's seeming separation from itself into myriad souls and its return to its deific unity is the process of evolution. Whilst evolution begins in matter, Rumi adds that "my body is a product of my soul, not my soul a product of my body". The soul in its nature evolves matter and then invests it with itself in a long process of transformations which makes of manifestation the symbol of Deity.
I died as a mineral and became a plant;
I died as a plant and rose to animal;
I died as animal and I was a man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die as man to soar
With angels blest. But even from an angel
I must pass on: all except God must perish.
When I have sacrificed my angel soul,
I shall become what no mind ever conceived.
Since the human will is free, and has its analogy in every level of nature, evolution is both progressive and cyclic. Evil is unavoidable in such a universe, a privation of perfection on each plane, and it functions to strengthen the will and character of the evolving creature. Absolute evil is impossible, and even Iblis (Satan) may be redeemed.
Do not regard the fact that thou
art despicable or infirm:
Look upon thy aspiration, 0 noble one.
In whatsoever state thou be, keep searching,
For this seeking is a blessed motion;
This search is a destroyer of obstacles
on the way to Deity.
Just as the primordial impulse of love allowed that movement of the Divine Soul which is the universe, so the cultivation of love transcends all opposites in the soaring of the soul to itself, the Divine Unity. It is the fate of man to strive for perfection. Struggling against what seems to be destiny is the destiny of man.
Every instant I give to the heart
a different desire,
Every moment I lay upon the heart
a different brand.
At every dawn I have a new employment.
'Tis wonderful that the spirit is in prison,
and that the key of the prison is in its hand!
By the time Rumi died in 1273, Muslims, Jews and Christians were to be found amongst his disciples. Though Rumi used the language of one religious tradition, he rose above religions and sectarian viewpoints, borne aloft by a flaming vision and pristine awareness that defies the categories and nomenclature of those who fashion schools and standpoints. When Rumi was buried, a Sufi asked a Christian present why he wept so bitterly. "We esteem him as the Moses, the David, the Jesus of the age", he replied. Rumi's tomb remains a place of pilgrimage today, and his order of whirling dervishes, still under the leadership of Rumi's direct descendants through Sultan Walad, spin with their wide skirts flaring out in grand revolving wheels rotating about an invisible centre which is the Divine Presence in every human being. For Rumi, the integrated individual is one with the Divine and is the Man of God. His desire is the universal will in its most splendid manifestation. Rumi aspired with his whole being to become just such a Man:
Such a man moves the world according to his desire.
According to such desire, the torrents and
the rivers flow,
And the stars move in such wise as he wills;
And life and death are his ministers,
going to and fro as he wills.
End quote.
Begin quote
The distinction in experience between internal and external, subjectivity and objectivity, requires the division of reality into two realms, that of spirit and that of nature. Material objects belong to the latter, but soul is wholly spiritual, and as such is ultimately undifferentiated. Being supersensual and super-rational, it is not other than Deity itself. The soul's seeming separation from itself into myriad souls and its return to its deific unity is the process of evolution. Whilst evolution begins in matter, Rumi adds that "my body is a product of my soul, not my soul a product of my body". The soul in its nature evolves matter and then invests it with itself in a long process of transformations which makes of manifestation the symbol of Deity.
I died as a mineral and became a plant;
I died as a plant and rose to animal;
I died as animal and I was a man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die as man to soar
With angels blest. But even from an angel
I must pass on: all except God must perish.
When I have sacrificed my angel soul,
I shall become what no mind ever conceived.
Since the human will is free, and has its analogy in every level of nature, evolution is both progressive and cyclic. Evil is unavoidable in such a universe, a privation of perfection on each plane, and it functions to strengthen the will and character of the evolving creature. Absolute evil is impossible, and even Iblis (Satan) may be redeemed.
Do not regard the fact that thou
art despicable or infirm:
Look upon thy aspiration, 0 noble one.
In whatsoever state thou be, keep searching,
For this seeking is a blessed motion;
This search is a destroyer of obstacles
on the way to Deity.
Just as the primordial impulse of love allowed that movement of the Divine Soul which is the universe, so the cultivation of love transcends all opposites in the soaring of the soul to itself, the Divine Unity. It is the fate of man to strive for perfection. Struggling against what seems to be destiny is the destiny of man.
Every instant I give to the heart
a different desire,
Every moment I lay upon the heart
a different brand.
At every dawn I have a new employment.
'Tis wonderful that the spirit is in prison,
and that the key of the prison is in its hand!
By the time Rumi died in 1273, Muslims, Jews and Christians were to be found amongst his disciples. Though Rumi used the language of one religious tradition, he rose above religions and sectarian viewpoints, borne aloft by a flaming vision and pristine awareness that defies the categories and nomenclature of those who fashion schools and standpoints. When Rumi was buried, a Sufi asked a Christian present why he wept so bitterly. "We esteem him as the Moses, the David, the Jesus of the age", he replied. Rumi's tomb remains a place of pilgrimage today, and his order of whirling dervishes, still under the leadership of Rumi's direct descendants through Sultan Walad, spin with their wide skirts flaring out in grand revolving wheels rotating about an invisible centre which is the Divine Presence in every human being. For Rumi, the integrated individual is one with the Divine and is the Man of God. His desire is the universal will in its most splendid manifestation. Rumi aspired with his whole being to become just such a Man:
Such a man moves the world according to his desire.
According to such desire, the torrents and
the rivers flow,
And the stars move in such wise as he wills;
And life and death are his ministers,
going to and fro as he wills.
End quote.
LunarRay
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I think it is perfectly ok for you to believe as you do and to justify it with whatever scientific newstuff that has come about and to further embellish your position by questioning the foolishness of those who think otherwise... for you to do otherwise would not be consistant with your preevolutioniary existance as a turtle or monkey or whatever... I don't have to agree that everyone I meet is the product of God's creation... some people may have come from goop. They ain't really people though... they be play dough.. molded in the shape of current thought.
LunarRay
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Quote by Plato or whoever
Talking to yourself again? lol[/quote]
I am that I am and an audience of plenty enough for me... You are that you are and not a lessor one to me.... If merry seek you find I'll chortle too and say adieu a funny man are you.
Talking to yourself again? lol[/quote]
I am that I am and an audience of plenty enough for me... You are that you are and not a lessor one to me.... If merry seek you find I'll chortle too and say adieu a funny man are you.
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Of course, this assumes that the superior being wouldn't invoke His intervention through evolution. Evolution, a.k.a. genetic algorithms, is proving to be a good way for humans to solve complex problems quickly and easily. I wouldn't be surprised if God decided to direct our evolution (and probably that of all life in the universe) "in His image", and then just sat back, rested and watched what unusual new forms would develop.
Note: I'm not a Mormon, either. Directing evolution toward a goal does not mean it's reachable - humans becoming gods is likely impossible in this physical universe.
Back to the topic, I don't think much genetic evolution is coming, at least not anytime soon. The current and future evolution is memetic - memes being units of thought information as genes are units of cellular information.
I will evolve by placing my brain inside a living computer- then I will extend my will over the net and take over the world, THE WORLD. Bwahaha!
Er, um, nevermind.
Er, um, nevermind.
Beware the power outage.... and windows 2003.
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