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Is it legal to put US prisons in China?

Spungo

Spungo

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I was listening to Stansberry's podcast, and one of the hosts jokingly said something about offshoring prisons. Serious question: is that legal? Would it be possible for a state like California to build a prison in China, hire Chinese prison staff, and put Americans in that prison?
 
sdifox said:
Gitmo
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Guantanamo Bay is US territory. Leased indefinitely from the Cuban government following the Spanish-American war. I actually would have thought Castro would have kicked the base out following Bay of Pigs. Guess he wasn't all that ballsy.

Anyway, if it's not legal now, congress can certainly make it legal. AFAIK, there's nothing in the constitution preventing it. Not that it even matters. The current administration views the US Constitution as more an obstacle to be bypassed than the absolute rules of the land.
 
mmntech said:
Guantanamo Bay is US territory. Leased indefinitely from the Cuban government following the Spanish-American war. I actually would have thought Castro would have kicked the base out following Bay of Pigs. Guess he wasn't all that ballsy.

Anyway, if it's not legal now, congress can certainly make it legal. AFAIK, there's nothing in the constitution preventing it. Not that it even matters. The current administration views the US Constitution as more an obstacle to be bypassed than the absolute rules of the land.
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Since the lease was signed under duress, it is not in accordance with international law. Cuba maintains sovereignty over Gitmo even if the lease is legal.
 
I'd think that since family members of prisoners are allowed to visit the prison - especially a spouse, parent, or child, that moving to a country where the relative may not be able to legally go (needs a passport, etc.), then there may be a fairly strong argument that it violates the Constitutional protection against cruel and unusual punishments. As far as Guantanamo goes, I'm not aware that any citizens of the US have sued in Federal Court that it violates their Constitutional rights, therefore, it remains to be seen whether the Supreme Court agrees with this or not.
 
Several years ago Governor Arnold in CA had proposed taking the Illegal immigrants current in prison from Mexico and out source their incarceration to Mexico. So basically make the illegal immigrant prisoners in CA jails serve their time in Mexican prisons. It would save money since it is cheaper to keep someone in jail in Mexico than it is the US. Will the prison guard union got all up in arms about it since it would mean less prisoners for them which means less OT and positions so it was quickly dropped. Kind of made sense to me to have the mexian illegal immigrants serve their jail time in Mexico. Would make deportation much easier once they where released since they would already be in Mexico.
 
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OBAMA'S LIST OF THINGS TO MOVE TO CHINA

Jobs ✓
Chickens ✓
America's wealth ✓
Prisons ✓






Yep, looks like prisons is on the list.
 
Sophitia said:
OBAMA'S LIST OF THINGS TO MOVE TO CHINA

Jobs ✓
Chickens ✓
America's wealth ✓
Prisons ✓






Yep, looks like prisons is on the list.
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Obama's the reason I keep losing my socks in the dryer. And I'm pretty sure he's responsible for Hurricane Katrina.
 
Spungo said:
I was listening to Stansberry's podcast, and one of the hosts jokingly said something about offshoring prisons. Serious question: is that legal? Would it be possible for a state like California to build a prison in China, hire Chinese prison staff, and put Americans in that prison?
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What, exactly, would make it illegal? Nothing that I can think of. Even if it was, the current goobs in the government don't seem too concerned with laws or The Constitution anyway.

And you raise a good point. With how much tax payer money is spent on prisons/prisoners and how many normal jobs we willingly ship overseas each year, I'm surprised we haven't opened prisons in other countries yet.
 
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what a waste of money.

just have Apple hire prisioners to build iphones. pay prisoners same chinese wages.
consumers buy stuff dirt cheap and still be proud to be supporting "made in USA" label.
win win for everyone.
 
GlacierFreeze said:
What, exactly, would make it illegal? Nothing that I can think of. Even if it was, the current goobs in the government don't seem too concerned with laws or The Constitution anyway.

And you raise a good point. With how much tax payer money is spent on prisons/prisoners and how many normal jobs we willingly ship overseas each year, I'm surprised we haven't opened prisons in other countries yet.
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Prison guard unions would never allow it to happen. They would yell and scream that the prisons overseas are not as secure as US prison or find some other reason. The politicians wouldn't want to cross the prison guard union because they would then be labeled soft on crime and every politician doesn't want to be be labeled as soft on crime.
 
As far as I can think of, if the passport issues were resolved and adequate medical care was available, it's hard to think why it'd be illegal.

Some likely valid claims the prison guard union would object have been made, but I think the private prison industry is likely a bigger issue.
 
Craig234 said:
As far as I can think of, if the passport issues were resolved and adequate medical care was available, it's hard to think why it'd be illegal.

Some likely valid claims the prison guard union would object have been made, but I think the private prison industry is likely a bigger issue.
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Who do you think would be in charge of running the prisons in China?:hmm:
 
Why can't we just put all of the violent offenders in a stadium, like in Gladiator and let them fight for their right to live?


It would be a hell of a lot cheaper. 😛
 
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