I opted for the Asrock instead. The EVGA mobo seemed to flaky. Plus, the Asrock has a passive NB cooler and 20pin PSU connector.
Something's very wierd with those 3d digest benchmarks. They're not even CLOSE to what AT had for BF2!
compare the 12x10 no AA scores for 6800GS/x800XL:
AT: 49/43
Digi: 224/168 !!!
Anyone else notice that? Somethin is not right with those benchmark scores. I wonder how many more are screwed up like that? Am I missing something?
compare the 12x10 no AA scores for 6800GS/x800XL:
AT: 49/43
Digi: 224/168 !!!
Anyone else notice that? Somethin is not right with those benchmark scores. I wonder how many more are screwed up like that? Am I missing something?
Maybe AT was using FRAPS to record real gameplay, as opposed to playing back demos through the game. Also, could be different demos (maybe Digit-Life was just running around an empty map or something). Xbitlabs also had significantly higher numbers than AT (though not as high as digit-life's).
well if yuo want a complete list
<100 9800pro
~150 6600gt/x800gt/x800gto refurb(sapphire)
~200 X800gto2(guranteed to unlock and once unlocked, it's faster than a 6800gs)
~300 7800gt
~4507800gtx
~500 x1800xt
apoppin
Lifer
ATi sits 'better' at a different price points:
<$120 : 9550-9600xt-9800xt
~$120 : 6600GT
~$159 : x1600xt
~$200 : 6800GS
~$250 : x850xt
~$300 : 7800GT
+$400 : x1800xt
there's your filled gaps. . . . more-or-less . . . and don't forget the soon-to-be dirt-cheap x1300s.
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Good point. If you don't restrict your choices to the current and past gen, ATI's products are pretty decent.
Around the $70 pricepoint, the 9600 XT will load and play newer games at 1024x768, for the most part. It's the exact same part as the X600, except in AGP. Anything less than that, and you might as well stick to integrated graphics.
The 9800 is a great choice for those stuck with AGP at $99-ish.
I'd opt for an X800GT/GTO in the $160 range over an X1600XT, and I'm not sure an X850XT offers that much over a 6800GS to warrant a 25% price premium. For me, I'd take the 6800GS over an X850XT because of better Linux support -- the performance edge of the x850 is not enough for one res up gameplay or more eye candy.
Also, at over $400, 2x 6800GS in SLI is not such a bad idea. Higher minimum frame rates than either the X1800XT or the 512 meg 7800GTX, very comprable maximums.
Around the $70 pricepoint, the 9600 XT will load and play newer games at 1024x768, for the most part. It's the exact same part as the X600, except in AGP. Anything less than that, and you might as well stick to integrated graphics.
The 9800 is a great choice for those stuck with AGP at $99-ish.
I'd opt for an X800GT/GTO in the $160 range over an X1600XT, and I'm not sure an X850XT offers that much over a 6800GS to warrant a 25% price premium. For me, I'd take the 6800GS over an X850XT because of better Linux support -- the performance edge of the x850 is not enough for one res up gameplay or more eye candy.
Also, at over $400, 2x 6800GS in SLI is not such a bad idea. Higher minimum frame rates than either the X1800XT or the 512 meg 7800GTX, very comprable maximums.
$150 X800 Pro refurb PCI-E with 3 year warranty; http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2707477
Use Code 1439 for 5% more off.
Now THATS a good price.
Use Code 1439 for 5% more off.
Now THATS a good price.
Keysplayr
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The price is nice, but I would not go refurb. EVEN with a 3 year warranty. May be a good chance you'll need to use that warrany sooner than later. You really never know what these cards have been through. Could have been used just as stock, all the way up to INSANELY o/c'd. Impossible to know.
Either a new GTO2 that is guaranteed moddable, or a new 6800GS. But that 7800GT for 285 sounds pretty sweet.
A 3 year warranty is a 3 year warranty. I have one of the "refurb" X800XT PE's and it looked like new. And if it ever does decide to crap out on me, oh well. One RMA later and I have a working card again.
$150 for a 12 pipeline 256mb PCI-E card with a 3 year warranty is an excellent deal.
$150 for a 12 pipeline 256mb PCI-E card with a 3 year warranty is an excellent deal.
i dont know. my bro is looking for a nice mid range card (to run games @ 1280x1024). the x800 pro seems to hit the spot at the $150 range
Connect 3D X1800XL
Sapphire X1800XL
These look pretty good for their price. They seem to be dropping fast aswell.
Keysplayr
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You really never know what these cards have been through. Or the subsequent RMA refurbs you will get. This is a fact. You just can't know. And they sure as hell aren't going to tell you.
I did say the price was nice. But, you get what you pay for. A used card.
@ 50 bucks more gets you a brand new PCI-e 425/1000 256MB 6800GT speed equivalent 12 pipe card on a 110nm process. I heard they o/c quite well.
apoppin
Lifer
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You really never know what these cards have been through. Or the subsequent RMA refurbs you will get. This is a fact. You just can't know. And they sure as hell aren't going to tell you.
I did say the price was nice. But, you get what you pay for. A used card.
a used card with a 'new' warranty
The second you open your retail package it is now a 'used' card subject to the same RMA and refurb exchanges.
Keysplayr
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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You really never know what these cards have been through. Or the subsequent RMA refurbs you will get. This is a fact. You just can't know. And they sure as hell aren't going to tell you.
I did say the price was nice. But, you get what you pay for. A used card.
a used card with a 'new' warranty
The second you open your retail package it is now a 'used' card subject to the same RMA and refurb exchanges.
Some car dealers "recertify" lease returns and offer "brand new" warranties on them. usually 3 yr 36000. Meanwhile, the car is much cheaper than new, but thats because it's not new. It has been used for 2 to 3 years with 24k to 39k on the odometer. It is satisfying to have a car with a "new" warranty on it. But nowhere near as satisfying as being the first owner of a vehicle. New car smell and all.
Its a feel Apoppin. Not something really geared for semantics. You buy used, and you always have that feeling of, "how long will this last me before I start to have trouble". Well, I have that feeling anyways.
Either a new GTO2 or a 199.00 eVGA 6800GS
Lifetime warranty and NEW. That's what I'm talkin about. Worth the extra fifty bucks, and I believe it does dust the GTO's/pro's. IMHO, it's the way to go.
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Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You really never know what these cards have been through. Or the subsequent RMA refurbs you will get. This is a fact. You just can't know. And they sure as hell aren't going to tell you.
I did say the price was nice. But, you get what you pay for. A used card.
@ 50 bucks more gets you a brand new PCI-e 425/1000 256MB 6800GT speed equivalent 12 pipe card on a 110nm process. I heard they o/c quite well.
even if they were OCed in the past, do u think that would make them substantially less stable and more likely to break? i dont think it would have a substantial effect
Keysplayr
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Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You really never know what these cards have been through. Or the subsequent RMA refurbs you will get. This is a fact. You just can't know. And they sure as hell aren't going to tell you.
I did say the price was nice. But, you get what you pay for. A used card.
@ 50 bucks more gets you a brand new PCI-e 425/1000 256MB 6800GT speed equivalent 12 pipe card on a 110nm process. I heard they o/c quite well.
even if they were OCed in the past, do u think that would make them substantially less stable and more likely to break? i dont think it would have a substantial effect
Well, thats kind of the point really. All you or I can do is "think" that it wouldn't make them substantially less stable, and more likely to break. And all you or I can do is "think" or "pray" if you will, that it would not have any substantial effect. We can think all we want. Doesn't really do any good.
I wouldn't worry about a refurb card purchased directly from ATI at all but I sure as heck wouldn't get a refurb'd card from Newegg or some other regular retailer. One would expect ATI to at least test the cards and with a 3 year warranty it's not a worry anyway.Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You really never know what these cards have been through. Or the subsequent RMA refurbs you will get. This is a fact. You just can't know. And they sure as hell aren't going to tell you.
I did say the price was nice. But, you get what you pay for. A used card.
@ 50 bucks more gets you a brand new PCI-e 425/1000 256MB 6800GT speed equivalent 12 pipe card on a 110nm process. I heard they o/c quite well.
even if they were OCed in the past, do u think that would make them substantially less stable and more likely to break? i dont think it would have a substantial effect
Well, thats kind of the point really. All you or I can do is "think" that it wouldn't make them substantially less stable, and more likely to break. And all you or I can do is "think" or "pray" if you will, that it would not have any substantial effect. We can think all we want. Doesn't really do any good.
I've really been pouring over all these benchmarks, still trying to decide. The GTO is tempting, but risky. Also, the cheaper cards dont have external power source and I don't have a 24-pin ATX connection on my Asrock mobo, so I don't know if it would get enough juice to OC very high.
You can get a GTO-16 (which is exactly the same as a X800XL) for 185 at newegg. However, they can't OC very well, and for 15 more you can get a 6800GS which OCs better and has the external power connector (important to me).
So, I still think the 150-200 option goes to the 6800GS (for me anyway). However, my big choice is between that or the 7800GT for ~$90 more. I just don't know. For anything over $200-$400, the 7800GT is the way to go.
You can get a GTO-16 (which is exactly the same as a X800XL) for 185 at newegg. However, they can't OC very well, and for 15 more you can get a 6800GS which OCs better and has the external power connector (important to me).
So, I still think the 150-200 option goes to the 6800GS (for me anyway). However, my big choice is between that or the 7800GT for ~$90 more. I just don't know. For anything over $200-$400, the 7800GT is the way to go.
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I'd have to disagree with you about that. At stock speeds the 7800GT has a slight edge over the X1800XL but since it looks like you plan on overclocking than I'd give the edge to the X1800XL. Most 7800GTs that I've seen top out at 480-500 on the core and 1100-1200 on the memory. I've seen a lot of X1800XL reach XT speeds and beyond. Even at 600/700, which is fairly easy, the X1800XL performs very well compared to a 7800GT at 480/1150.
I was debating the same thing you are since my brother needed a card in the ~$300 price range. Obviously I like the 7800GT since I'm using a pair but the advantages of the X1800XL (good ocing headroom, better AF, etc) outweighed those of the GT for me.
You have a good point! However, X1800XL is roughtly $40 more than the 7800 GT right now (looking at newegg), so the 7800 GT has a cost advantage.
But I just pulled the trigger and bought a Gigabyte 7800 GT for 285 AR with an included zalman coolar and free COD2.
Thanks for all of your input everybody! I now see that ATI has some cards out there for every price point, but I think the 7800 GT for 285 is an unbelievable deal and I jumped on it.
But I just pulled the trigger and bought a Gigabyte 7800 GT for 285 AR with an included zalman coolar and free COD2.
Thanks for all of your input everybody! I now see that ATI has some cards out there for every price point, but I think the 7800 GT for 285 is an unbelievable deal and I jumped on it.
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