is it just me, or does it seem like maybe our two campaigns in the middle east...

[Juror No. 8]

Keep telling all of the above to yourself. It's how truthers maintain their self-image while being laughed at by everyone else who can think rationally.

How can you be certain you're being rational about this? Because a majority of the people agree with you? Because the government says so? Because Hollywood made a movie about it?

Really, how can you be certain?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

How can you be certain you're being rational about this? Because a majority of the people agree with you? Because the government says so? Because Hollywood made a movie about it?

Really, how can you be certain?

I can be certain in the same way that I feel the theory of evolution is correct, standard theory is correct, and the theory of DNA is correct. The evidence presented aligns with the known facts. Those theories have been shown to align with what we know and have been agreed upon by many. As such, it takes extraordinary evidence to overturn those theories. You have to provide that evidence. We don't have to prove the known evidence again to be right. You have to prove them to be wrong.

The truth is out there. Give us some truth instead of just being a truther. Let's hear your truth. Then we can can decide. Until you present some viable evidence of your claim (which we all know you can't do) your claim is baseless.

 

[JEDIYoda]

How can you be certain you're being rational about this? Because a majority of the people agree with you? Because the government says so? Because Hollywood made a movie about it?

Really, how can you be certain?

here we go same ole crap again....
oops I know
how can I be certain it is the same.....
How can I be certain it`s crap.....
Just because it looks like, doesn`t mean it`s crap.....
Maybe it is crap...it smells like crap.....
Just because it smells like crap.....is it really crap.......
etc...etc...etc....

 

[Juror No. 8]

The evidence presented aligns with the known facts.

Yes, the government-provided evidence aligns with what the government claims.

Mafia diamond heist, and all that.

Those theories have been shown to align with what we know and have been agreed upon by many.

I haven't agreed upon anything about 9/11, and there are others like me in the same boat.

As such, it takes extraordinary evidence to overturn those theories.

Sorry, but theories aren't correct just because a lot of people agree.

You have to provide that evidence. We don't have to prove the known evidence again to be right. You have to prove them to be wrong.

No, the burden is on the government and people like you to prove the official conspiracy theory - the one we base our entire foreign policy on - as correct.

It isn't just correct by default.

The truth is out there. Give us some truth instead of just being a truther. Let's hear your truth. Then we can can decide. Until you present some viable evidence of your claim (which we all know you can't do) your claim is baseless.

I agree, stop being a Government Truther and actually provide some evidence for what you believe. The truth is out there. Provide some viable evidence for your claim, otherwise it is baseless.

 

[PingviN]

Since when is "the government" a single entity? The government is made up of a multitude of different agencies made up of a multitude of human beings. Believing that "the government" could orchestrate 9/11 without leaving any paper trail whatsoever or any witnesses - NO ONE AT ALL agreeing with you, Juror, is simply ridiculous. It doesn't matter if there are a couple of thousands of people of the same ridiculous mindset, there are millions upon millions that understand that Al-Qaida is real and that 9/11 isn't a "government conspiracy". Your lack of proof =! proof.

Could as well have been aliens.

 

[Juror No. 8]

Since when is "the government" a single entity?

What do you mean? Were you under the impression that the U.S. government isn't a single government entity? That it's some sort of uncoordinated collection of various, competing governments, or something?

LOL.

The government is made up of a multitude of different agencies made up of a multitude of human beings.

Regardless of how many different people and agencies there are in government, the government is still just a single, classic, top-down power structure with a pyramid-like shape. Each person and department serves a very much unified, single whole.

Believing that "the government" could orchestrate 9/11 without leaving any paper trail whatsoever or any witnesses - NO ONE AT ALL agreeing with you, Juror, is simply ridiculous.

Oh, don't get me wrong, there's probably a paper trail somewhere, but the government has the power to classify all documents relating to such an operation as Top Secret. If anyone goes snooping around, or there's a danger that the details of the operation could go public, documents can easily be destroyed, just as the CIA did with MK-ULTRA documentation during the 1970s.

As for witnesses, what do you think could have been witnessed? Do you honestly believe the Joint Chiefs sit around and plan this stuff with just anyone looking over their shoulder? Do you honestly believe the CIA carries out covert, black ops in plain sight? Come on, get real. If there was a witness or two that needed to be disposed of or silenced, that's the CIA's specialty. That's what they do. That's what they've always done.

Just read the Operation Northwoods plan. If the Joint Chiefs didn't think they could pull off such an operation and keep it secret, they wouldn't have sat down, planned it, and then SIGNED OFF ON IT and sent it up the chain of command to Robert McNamara and John F. Kennedy. They obviously thought such an elaborate, false flag plan was well within their capabilities, or they wouldn't have bothered.

It doesn't matter if there are a couple of thousands of people of the same ridiculous mindset...

On the contrary, this matters quite a bit. This actually might be the key to the whole thing. Ideological conspiracies are often the most successful of all, and unlike classic criminal conspiracies, they can involve many more people without there being a breakdown in discretion.

People with a shared ideology are much more likely to overlook differences between them to focus on a greater goal. Hence the saying, "politics makes strange bedfellows".

there are millions upon millions that understand that Al-Qaida is real and that 9/11 isn't a "government conspiracy". Your lack of proof =! proof.

Could as well have been aliens.

No, in reality there are millions upon millions of people that hope Al-Qaeda is real, because facing the alternative - that Al-Qaeda might be a creation of the U.S. government and the corporate interests behind it - is too painful to conceive of. The level of cognitive dissonance involved is simply off the charts and is almost unbearable for most people. Very, very few people want to have to consider the possibility that they live under a government that would murder them in cold blood. Nobody wants to believe that, so they live in denial of any evidence that suggests they live under a rogue, criminal government.

It's far easier to live under a comfortable myth than to have to face an uncomfortable truth.

 

[PingviN]

 

[Capt Caveman]

Since when is "the government" a single entity? The government is made up of a multitude of different agencies made up of a multitude of human beings. Believing that "the government" could orchestrate 9/11 without leaving any paper trail whatsoever or any witnesses - NO ONE AT ALL agreeing with you, Juror, is simply ridiculous. It doesn't matter if there are a couple of thousands of people of the same ridiculous mindset, there are millions upon millions that understand that Al-Qaida is real and that 9/11 isn't a "government conspiracy". Your lack of proof =! proof.

Could as well have been aliens.

It's better to just make fun of him. No matter what evidence you provide on anything, he would just say that it's not proof yet he can't provide any proof that it isn't. His retarded logic won't get him far in life.

That's why I agree Aliens are responsible for 9/11.