No just that AMD is leading Intel currently in technology especially in games and everyone is hopefully happy because Intel has competition and prices are low.
No Fanboyism.
No Fanboyism.
The TDP isn't because it's a thermal guideline for OEMs...the fact is though that many if not most of the single core P4s have a higher temp and power usage than the X2s when they are both under load...
I certainly wouldn't call Intel chipsets any kind of "benchmark"...they do make some very good chipsets, and some really bad ones. If a score were to be kept, Intel has recalled 2 chipsets, and Nvidia has recalled none...But on the whole, Intel has always made the better chipsets. It's a shame that their processors can't keep pace.
Originally posted by: Viditor
The TDP isn't because it's a thermal guideline for OEMs...the fact is though that many if not most of the single core P4s have a higher temp and power usage than the X2s when they are both under load...
Intel voluntarily recalled both chipsets, it couldve left them on the market with bugs but chose not to. Nvidia has had IDE corruption issues since Nforce 2 with their drivers, they cant seem to get it working, yet they CHOOSE not to recall them, and furthermore, CHOOSE not to acknowledge/fix the issue via a hardware/software fix.
Ummm...they recalled them because they didn't work and no amount of driver changes would MAKE them work!
The Nforce 2 chipsets work extremely well, as long as you use the standard IDE drivers...in other words there was an easy solution that didn't require a recall.
50c at load ?!? I believe it if you can easily touch the heatsink while cpu is at max load.
ps. you might get blisters.
ps. you might get blisters.
Gamingphreek
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Yeah, intel made a chipset that just plain didnt work at all, and released it :roll:
Im sure that woulda flew right through QC.
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agreed. people are so biased here it's rediculous. I agree in most cases AMD is better. But nonone ever says anything of how much better Intel does at encoding. At the same time, anyone here that praises Intel is a fanboy. Yet who really is the fanboys on this forum. Sound like the AMD guys seem to have much more of a bias than the Intel guys
It's just that the majority of people at AT forums are interested in the areas that AMD is superior in. This includes gaming and workstation applications. So naturally, an AMD bias develops, since people see that AMD suits their needs much better than Intel. The only people that Intel can appeal to are audio/videophiles and office workers.
These are facts:
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/pentiumd-820/index.x?pg=15
(for the records, in these charts A64 4000+ and FX-55 are clawhammers 0.13nm; 3800+ Venice 0.09nm).
Ok, no way a CPU with higher power consumption, has lower temps than another with less power consumption (both with exact cooling conditions). Period. This isn't debatable.
In the other hand, mobo temp sensor may be accurate or inaccurate (generally the last one).
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/pentiumd-820/index.x?pg=15
(for the records, in these charts A64 4000+ and FX-55 are clawhammers 0.13nm; 3800+ Venice 0.09nm).
Ok, no way a CPU with higher power consumption, has lower temps than another with less power consumption (both with exact cooling conditions). Period. This isn't debatable.
In the other hand, mobo temp sensor may be accurate or inaccurate (generally the last one).
Can any1 tell me only ONE (in numbers: 1) kind of... whatever you want, where AMD Processors (best processor in respective category) are better than Intel processors (also best processor in respective category)?
4.2 GHz are nice, no doubt, but a Zalman cooler can easily pack far more than that =)
4.2 GHz are nice, no doubt, but a Zalman cooler can easily pack far more than that =)
Gamingphreek
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Exactly!
Additionally people keep bringing up the Nforce 2 IDE-SW drivers. While a lot have had problems i have used them from day one and have not had one problem... not one. They seem to be pretty good to me.
-Kevin
Capt Caveman
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Good to see that you ignored the posts that I provided a little further up the thread that shows that the 630, 640 and 650 cpu's run at a much lower TDP(in line w/ A64s) than the 660 and 670. The OP's friend is using a 640. Understand now?
Manufacturer Specified Thermal Design Power
Full Article
yeah... but Oced to 4.0ghz... so power consumption will be even higher than a stock 660 or 670...
And you forget again that P4 TDP is tipical power consumption; and A64 TDP is max power under worst conditions.
Arrrrrggghhhh....
Let me see if I can help people understand exactly what TDP is...
Let's say you have 2 different manufacturers making chips that by some coincidence used the exact same amount of power and generated exactly the same heat...
THEY COULD AND PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TDPs!
The TDP is not a measurement, it's the temperature that the manufacturer thinks the OEM should design the thermals for.
For actual power numbers, you must measure directly...Lost Circuits has done some excellent work on this...
Lost Circuits Power AMD
As has Xbit
Pentium D power
Now that I have explained Intel isn't all that bad, hopefully Intel will get a better rep around here since they make excellent CPU's.
I doubt it though, most guys here think, AMD IS THE PWN, INTEL SUCKS.
I doubt it though, most guys here think, AMD IS THE PWN, INTEL SUCKS.
That's because most of the people here use their computers for:
A. Playing computer games.
B. Using apps like 3dSM, Maya, Softimage, Photoshop, etc.
C. Watching movies, playing music
As opposed to:
D. Encoding media (audio or video)
E. Using Office-type apps (Word, Excel, etc.)
Originally posted by: Viditor
The TDP isn't because it's a thermal guideline for OEMs...the fact is though that many if not most of the single core P4s have a higher temp and power usage than the X2s when they are both under load...
I would of said something exactly the same but I'd get called a fanboy... ah well. Last year's recalls, that would of killed AMD.
Gamingphreek
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When i said TDP, i was misusing it as i did mean Power Consumption... sorry.
Caveman, i understand perfectly fine. You are arguing fact.... you are arguing a moot point.
-Kevin
Caveman, i understand perfectly fine. You are arguing fact.... you are arguing a moot point.
-Kevin
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