Is homosexuality a greater sin than others for Christians and why.

[Todd33]

King James is condsidered a very poor translation, just FYI.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Todd33
King James is condsidered a very poor translation, just FYI.

Perhaps , but then again almost all other translations are copyrighted and it troubles me when translators claim ownership of something that they claim was given freely by God.

 

[themusgrat]

When Christians think that homosexuality is worse than other sins, they are wrong, and yes, they are doing that to minimize their own sin. But when God says that it is wrong, no one is "judging" to repeat what He said. Why is it wrong? Because He said so. Wow, this sounds narrowminded. Well, if God really made the world, then he would know how it works better than you or me, right? Let's see, AIDS? Millions dying is one reason it's wrong. Also, God doesn't force his religion on others, does he? So when others try to it is wrong. So in answer to the OP, homosexuality is wrong for anybody, it's just that it is a little more gross than most other sins, and gets looked down on more. Really, it doesn't work. Ever see 2 hens go off behind the barn?

 

[TWills]

Originally posted by: Todd33
King James is condsidered a very poor translation, just FYI.

So what's a good translation? The NLT? 😛😉

 

[kongs]

Why is it that homosexuality is a sin? I really don't know that much about the Bible, but I just find it odd that God would look down on someone for their sexual preference. What is really so wrong about it? I being straight have never had a problem with gay people, I have only known a few but they are fine people.

 

[Meuge]

The book actually has two versions of the Creation... how people can claim it to be factual, I do not know.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: kongs
Why is it that homosexuality is a sin? I really don't know that much about the Bible, but I just find it odd that God would look down on someone for their sexual preference. What is really so wrong about it? I being straight have never had a problem with gay people, I have only known a few but they are fine people.

it's a sin because it's lustful. to say that God doesn't like homosexuality is the EXACT SAME THING as saying God doesn't like pre-marital sex.

the only difference is that in God's eyes, men and women are meant to be married... not men and men or women and women. however, that doesn't mean that men and men or women and women can't have a marriage be recognized by the state (like athiests or buddhists, etc)... it's just that God doesn't recognize it.

what i don't understand is how christians can claim that capital punishment is ok, but homosexuality isn't...

the christian right can suck on it (this coming from a christian who's fed up with all the republican propaganda brainwashing). it's like they slap a sticker on God and sell it to the masses so they can reap the benefits of power. no one takes the time to realize that religion is a PERSONAL relationship between you and your god. it isn't meant to be followed the same way... only taught about.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: themusgrat
When Christians think that homosexuality is worse than other sins, they are wrong, and yes, they are doing that to minimize their own sin.

Maybe. Homosexuality is actually a life of sin, not one sin in particular. That could be causing the confusion.

But when God says that it is wrong, no one is "judging" to repeat what He said. Why is it wrong? Because He said so. Wow, this sounds narrowminded. Well, if God really made the world, then he would know how it works better than you or me, right? Let's see, AIDS? Millions dying is one reason it's wrong. Also, God doesn't force his religion on others, does he? So when others try to it is wrong. So in answer to the OP, homosexuality is wrong for anybody, it's just that it is a little more gross than most other sins, and gets looked down on more. Really, it doesn't work. Ever see 2 hens go off behind the barn?

It is pretty gross.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: Meuge
The book actually has two versions of the Creation...

You shouldn't listen to such anti-Christian propaganda. There is only one "version" of Creation, and you can find it in the beginning of Genesis.

how people can claim it to be factual, I do not know.

They have faith.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Just another man made taboo used by religious leaders to control that which they consider immoral.


Hebrews 13:4 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)




4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.


Notice the word is and undefiled, leaves no ambiguity.

Now look here

Hebrews 13:4 (New International Version)




4Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.

Who decides what is immoral in marriage?

Usually those in power like religious leaders.

So in other words, the claim that oral sex is somehow wrong is completely subject to interpretation, and not to actual scriptural referencce. Good to know. Thanks.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Todd33
King James is condsidered a very poor translation, just FYI.

Actually, the KJV is considered by most to be the most accurate translation, as it was one of the first to be translated and one of the few translations of original manuscript. Most other versions of the Bible are simply retranslations of the KJV itself.

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: dwcal

I'm guessing that's part of it. Gays make convenient targets. When Christians condemn homosexuality as a sin, they're usually referring to the act of sodomy. BUT if sodomy is a sin, it also applies to heterosexual couples (that means no oral sex). You don't hear that very often, do you? I think heterosexual oral sex might just be a little more popular than homosexuality. If Christians started preaching against the sin of all kinds of sodomy, their message won't be quite so popular.

I'd never heard that before. Where does that belief come from (as in scripture reference)? Just curious.

Try the wikipedia. Not authoritative, but looks pretty accurate to me.

"Sodomy is a term of religious origin to characterise certain sexual acts. Most commonly used to describe the specific act of anal sex between two males or between a male and a female, the term 'sodomy' also may include non-coital sexual acts such as oral sex and other paraphilia."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

Of the 14 U.S. states that still had laws against sodomy in 2003, only 4 states specifically prohibited same-sex sodomy. The other states made no such distinction, so sodomy between a man and woman was illegal there too. To me that indicates a consensus among the (Christian majority) citizenry in those states to define sodomy as between any couple.

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: themusgrat
When Christians think that homosexuality is worse than other sins, they are wrong, and yes, they are doing that to minimize their own sin.

Maybe. Homosexuality is actually a life of sin, not one sin in particular. That could be causing the confusion.

Well, what would you say about celibate homosexuals?

It would be more accurate to say homosexual attraction is the temptation and actions like sodomy are the sins. You could say a pattern of continuing sinful behavior is a "life of sin", but not any more than life of pre-marital heterosexual sex (unless you want to argue that homosexual sodomy is more of an abomination than heterosexual sodomy).

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: dwcal

Well, what would you say about celibate homosexuals?

All homosexual acts--even perhaps kissing--are sins. But the sins are not what damn people. If you lack repentence for those sins, as most homosexual Christians seem to do, you endanger yourself. The Bible isn't clear on how repentence works, but some Christians believe you must be sorry for your sins.

Personally, I think that sola gratia superseeds repentence. Belief in Christ is all that is necessary. Just because some people are dumb enough to ignore the Bible's clear condemnation of homosexuality doesn't nullify their faith in Christ. However, many Christians disagree.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Actually, the KJV is considered by most to be the most accurate translation, as it was one of the first to be translated and one of the few translations of original manuscript.

Whoa, original manuscript? I'm sorry, but newer translations such as the NIV and RSV definitely used better, earlier and therefore more reliable sources, and were almost certainly translated by better-educated linguistic experts. The original manuscripts have not been known to us since the second century at the latest!

Most other versions of the Bible are simply retranslations of the KJV itself.

A lot of versions are, yes; I wouldn't say "most." The NIV and RSV are original translations.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
All homosexual acts--even perhaps kissing--are sins. But the sins are not what damn people. If you lack repentence for those sins, as most homosexual Christians seem to do, you endanger yourself. The Bible isn't clear on how repentence works, but some Christians believe you must be sorry for your sins.

Of course, the quicker way around the problem is to give up on Christianity. You may have to think for yourself to remember what real right and wrong are, instead of relying on someone else's dogma, but it gets rid of the the meaningless guilt trips in a hurry. 😎

And no, I'm not gay, but I have gay friends, and it's not a problem. 🙂

 

[Todd33]

Of course people who want to condemn others with the Bible will do so regardless. Divorce is also a sin, yet Christians have no problem getting divorced and remarried.

Luke 16:18 - "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

But of course the Bible thumpers will dig through the bible and find an out, it's what they do. People need to ditch the ancient and flawed text and think for themselves.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: techs
It seems so many Christian people are up in arms against homosexuals. Is it because the Bible says it is a greater sin than other sins? If so, why?

No darn it cause part of the gay agenda is to F Christianity in the ass any chance they get. Pardon my french but they suck.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: Meuge
The book actually has two versions of the Creation...

You shouldn't listen to such anti-Christian propaganda. There is only one "version" of Creation, and you can find it in the beginning of Genesis.

I sure hope that was sarcasm because if it wasn't....



oof

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: conjur
I sure hope that was sarcasm because if it wasn't....
oof

It wasn't. If you disagree, I'd be happy to discuss it with you.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Actually, the KJV is considered by most to be the most accurate translation, as it was one of the first to be translated and one of the few translations of original manuscript.

Whoa, original manuscript? I'm sorry, but newer translations such as the NIV and RSV definitely used better, earlier and therefore more reliable sources, and were almost certainly translated by better-educated linguistic experts. The original manuscripts have not been known to us since the second century at the latest!

Most other versions of the Bible are simply retranslations of the KJV itself.

A lot of versions are, yes; I wouldn't say "most." The NIV and RSV are original translations.

If they are from the original why are they copyrighted with many restrictions on their use?

What gives man the right to claim ownership of what God gave freely?

Do you actually own the information in them whatever format they maybe?

If not who does according to the copyright laws?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou

Originally posted by: conjur
I sure hope that was sarcasm because if it wasn't....
oof

It wasn't. If you disagree, I'd be happy to discuss it with you.

Wow. That's pretty sad.

I mean, heck, the two stories even contradict each other in the other things were created by God!

There are two stories of the flood, too, btw, that have been intertwined.


I recommend:

Who Wrote The Bible? by Richard Elliott Friedman

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
If they are from the original why are they copyrighted with many restrictions on their use?

To prevent people from profiting from others' hard work.

What gives man the right to claim ownership of what God gave freely?

They don't. The Bible itself is not copyrighted, only specific translations.

Do you actually own the information in them whatever format they maybe?

No.

If not who does according to the copyright laws?

I'm not sure. I'm guessing whoever sponsors the translation would hold the copyright. For example, the NIV translation is copyrighted by the International Bible Society, a co-sponsor. The NIV is guarded much like open source software: you're allowed to freely distribute it, on the internet or by hardcopy. You can also sell it with permission, which I imagine is given freely so long as you don't try to charge through the nose. However, you can't sell it for profit unless you have permission--at least, that is my understanding.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow. That's pretty sad.
I mean, heck, the two stories even contradict each other in the other things were created by God!
There are two stories of the flood, too, btw, that have been intertwined.

I'd be happy to discuss these things in detail, if you'd like.

 

[Todd33]

Good book Conjur, I read it recently. I'm pretty sure he will consider it "anti-Christian propaganda", those scholars are such God haters. He has claimed to be a "agnostic/atheist" and yet in effect said the Bible is "perfect Word of God".

There are multiple stories n the Bible that come in double and sometimes triple and often contradict themselves. And this is the stuff they allowed into it.