Is homosexuality a greater sin than others for Christians and why.

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Because it is icky. Except for lesbianism, of course.

hehe

Originally posted by: Jaihahih
I think christians should be worried more about matters like the death penalty

I tend to agree

 

[Aimster]

All main religions say it is a sin

A sin is a sin

You cannot break the rules of religion

That is why one should not follow religion

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Aimster
All main religions say it is a sin

A sin is a sin

You cannot break the rules of religion

That is why one should not follow religion

I like your logic.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Aimster
All main religions say it is a sin

A sin is a sin

You cannot break the rules of religion

That is why one should not follow religion

Why would you want to follow something who's rules can always be broken? You'd could be believing in something different every day.

Just curious.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Aimster
All main religions say it is a sin

A sin is a sin

You cannot break the rules of religion

That is why one should not follow religion

Why would you want to follow something who's rules can always be broken? You'd could be believing in something different every day.

Just curious.

Because I choose my life.

I am not a slave to rules that are written in a book.

I believe in what I believe is right. I make my own decisions. No book is going to tell me what is wrong/right. No book is going to tell me if I am going to heaven/hell.

If you read any religion we are all going to hell. We are pretty much living in Hell. Look around you. Who would want to go to heaven when the only people in heaven are going to be Counter Strike players who never left their rooms?

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Because I choose my life.

I am not a slave to rules that are written in a book.

I believe in what I believe is right. I make my own decisions. No book is going to tell me what is wrong/right. No book is going to tell me if I am going to heaven/hell.

If you read any religion we are all going to hell. We are pretty much living in Hell. Look around you. Who would want to go to heaven when the only people in heaven are going to be Counter Strike players who never left their rooms?

LOL! Not sure I understand why you feel this way about religion, but I think you're CS comment is freakin hysterical.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: engineereeyore
I would say that neither was wrong. Were the Pharisees intentions pure? Well, one can only guess. But you'll notice that it was not the husband or any other victim that brought the woman forth, but the scribes and Pharisees. The law she broke was a law given by Christ. Therefore, only he had a right to punish her.

For this reason, I don't believe there was a right or wrong here. The scribes and Pharisees where following the laws at that time. Real question is, if that was the true law, why did they not go ahead and kill her, whether Christ gave his approval or not?

The answer to your question is in verse 6, not so pure now their intentions?

I'm guessing you meant verse 9, correct? Their own personal guilt was the reason. But whether they were feeling guilt or not is irrelevant. They had a responsibility to enforce the law. So why didn't they?

When you are looking to accuse someone is that a pure intention?

In the old testament law what was the punishment for adultery and who had the authority to administer it?

Did God give that specific law to Moses or was it made up?

Did Jesus tell them not to stone her?

Was Jesus subject to the law of Moses when he was living as a man giving him the possibility to sin?

Can you enforce a law in good conscience knowing you are using it for a personal vendetta?

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: AragornTK
There is only one God, so that edit wasn't necessary...

I have a different God, prove I don't.

Ah, the beauty of faith...

there's a difference between a god and God, where the latter is used specifically to refer to the Judeo Christian god

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Aimster
All main religions say it is a sin

A sin is a sin

You cannot break the rules of religion

That is why one should not follow religion

Why would you want to follow something who's rules can always be broken? You'd could be believing in something different every day.

Just curious.

Because I choose my life.

I am not a slave to rules that are written in a book.

I believe in what I believe is right. I make my own decisions. No book is going to tell me what is wrong/right. No book is going to tell me if I am going to heaven/hell.

If you read any religion we are all going to hell. We are pretty much living in Hell. Look around you. Who would want to go to heaven when the only people in heaven are going to be Counter Strike players who never left their rooms?

AIEEEE the bible just grabbed me and is forcing me to shoot all the gays in the world!!!!!!

 

[MicroChrome]

So when the phreaks come over and ring the door bell, all I have to do is tell them I'm gay?



Soon I'll be living on 20 acres. I pray that they never ring my door bell again. Other wise they better be able to out run a few pitbulls and they better be running really fast as a 700+' driveway gets really long when you have dogs chasing you.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: techs
It seems so many Christian people are up in arms against homosexuals. Is it because the Bible says it is a greater sin than other sins? If so, why?

NO CLIFF NOTES HERE!


Where exactly in the bible is that called a greater sin than other sins?

The greatest sin I have read is the one here of Ananias and Sapphira , two believers who were baptized and accepted the Holy Spirit. It is the only unforgiveable sin.

No get out of hell free card here.

Acts 4
The Believers Share Their Possessions
32All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. 34There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
36Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), 37sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet



Acts 5
Ananias and Sapphira
1Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.
3Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

5When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

7About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8Peter asked her, "Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?"
"Yes," she said, "that is the price."

9Peter said to her, "How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also."

10At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

So the greatest sin is to fail to pay the preacher. Figures.

Based on this allegory, we now know that God DEMANDS that we donate 100% of what we own to charity. Anything less is a mortal sin.

I'd like Zendari to explain to us why on the one hand he so strongly advocates that individuals be allowed to keep an ever greater proportion of their earnings, when such behavior is so obviously contrary to biblical injunctions, while on the other hand he speaks with such hatred about homosexuality, for which no one was struck down in the Bible.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
I hate to be the one to point this out but religious beliefs are not valid in the argument against homosexual marriages. You can't create a law that bans homosexual marriages because of your religion. That equates to forcing your religion on others.

Unless you can come up with a practical reason for no allowing homosexual marriage then none of you gay-haters have a case.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: MicroChrome
So when the phreaks come over and ring the door bell, all I have to do is tell them I'm gay?



Soon I'll be living on 20 acres. I pray that they never ring my door bell again. Other wise they better be able to out run a few pitbulls and they better be running really fast as a 700+' driveway gets really long when you have dogs chasing you.

All ya gotta do is hit on them, and invite them in for an orgy. Tell them you don't get out much.

Seriously though, I think these Xtians are way too preoccupied with homosexuality. At least I can understand where they're coming from on the abortion arguement, but this is just too much.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

When you are looking to accuse someone is that a pure intention?

If you are a judge and that is you job, yes. Such was the case for the Pharisees.

In the old testament law what was the punishment for adultery and who had the authority to administer it?

Death was the Old Testament punishment. Judges at the time had the right to enforce such a punishment after a trial where it was proven that the person was in fact guilty of the crime.

Did God give that specific law to Moses or was it made up?

According to Leviticus chapter 20, God gave it to Moses.

Did Jesus tell them not to stone her?

Nope, which is why I asked to question I did.

Was Jesus subject to the law of Moses when he was living as a man giving him the possibility to sin?

God is subject to all laws that he creates. If he did not follow his own laws, he would not be God. He would be a liar, and God does not lie.

Can you enforce a law in good conscience knowing you are using it for a personal vendetta?

Enforcement of the law is based on two things, the guilt of the criminal and the desires of the victim for justice. Whether the enforcement of the law benefits the judge or presiding representative is irrelevant. In the case of this woman, guilt was established, yet there existed no victim making a claim. Also, according to Biblical law, the individual that she committed adultery with should have been killed as well. Where was he?

The fact is, the laws at the time of Christ had been severly warped from what the Lord had actually given them. This is obvious in the fact that Christ himself was able to be killed even though he'd never committed a crime. The Saducees and Pharisees had obviously been able to alter the laws to fit there on personal desires and to help increase their power over the people. This didn't change the fact that the woman was guilty though. However, with no accusor present, the only person who could condemn her was Christ, and the Pharisees knew that, and that is why they brought the woman to him.

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[judasmachine]

I direct your attention to this thread. It contains a pic of a flyer that God hates F@6s group is handing out in Topeka, KS. Support the troops much Mr. Xtian?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: zendari
People aren't endorsing murder or rape the way they want to endorse homosexuality.

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
The premise that Christians think of homosexual sins as greater than other sins is just mistaken. Of course there are exceptions, but generally speaking Christians seem to consider all sins equally damning.

... until the chickens come home to roost, and churches and their leaders are sued over child molestation. Then, they deny it happened and fight court orders to turn over their own records of complaints and secret settlements.

Originally posted by: AragornTK
There is only one God, so that edit wasn't necessary...

That's your belief, but it's one more god than I acknowledge, and it's not necessarily the same one (or more) that others accept.

are you stupid or can't you read? that guy lied to God, he was dumb enough to think an omnipresent, omniniscient, omnipotent entity could be fooled

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Who chose who he or she loves?

Just wanted to quote the simplest, yet most intelligent response in the thread. And from someone religious as well, I might add.

 

[AragornTK]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: techs
It seems so many Christian people are up in arms against homosexuals. Is it because the Bible says it is a greater sin than other sins? If so, why?

NO CLIFF NOTES HERE!


Where exactly in the bible is that called a greater sin than other sins?

The greatest sin I have read is the one here of Ananias and Sapphira , two believers who were baptized and accepted the Holy Spirit. It is the only unforgiveable sin.

No get out of hell free card here.

Acts 4
The Believers Share Their Possessions
32All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. 33With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. 34There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.
36Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), 37sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet



Acts 5
Ananias and Sapphira
1Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.
3Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

5When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

7About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8Peter asked her, "Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?"
"Yes," she said, "that is the price."

9Peter said to her, "How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also."

10At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

So the greatest sin is to fail to pay the preacher. Figures.

Based on this allegory, we now know that God DEMANDS that we donate 100% of what we own to charity. Anything less is a mortal sin.

I'd like Zendari to explain to us why on the one hand he so strongly advocates that individuals be allowed to keep an ever greater proportion of their earnings, when such behavior is so obviously contrary to biblical injunctions, while on the other hand he speaks with such hatred about homosexuality, for which no one was struck down in the Bible.

No, what they did wrong was claim to donate more than they had. They said they were giving 100% and gave MOST but not ALL of their money.

Aren't their laws against claiming to give more than you did?

 

[digiram]

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
The premise that Christians think of homosexual sins as greater than other sins is just mistaken. Of course there are exceptions, but generally speaking Christians seem to consider all sins equally damning.

So long as the Homo goes to church on Sunday, his sins are forgiven anyhow. Just like the rest of the other sins that people commit. So what's the fuss all about?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: digiram

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
The premise that Christians think of homosexual sins as greater than other sins is just mistaken. Of course there are exceptions, but generally speaking Christians seem to consider all sins equally damning.

So long as the Homo goes to church on Sunday, his sins are forgiven anyhow. Just like the rest of the other sins that people commit. So what's the fuss all about?

Maybe some of them feel tempted and by striking out against it they feel the can over come the temptation.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: digiram

Originally posted by: hurtstotalktoyou
The premise that Christians think of homosexual sins as greater than other sins is just mistaken. Of course there are exceptions, but generally speaking Christians seem to consider all sins equally damning.

So long as the Homo goes to church on Sunday, his sins are forgiven anyhow. Just like the rest of the other sins that people commit. So what's the fuss all about?

Your theology is a little out of whack - going to church does not atone for sins.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Maybe some of them feel tempted and by striking out against it they feel the can over come the temptation.

Or divert suspicion about their own behavior from others. :shocked:

 

[Zysoclaplem]

People just want something to complain about. And homosexuality is an easy target because unless you are homosexual you don't understand a damn thing about it. You can quote the bible all day long, but in the end that's all you are doing. You are on the outside looking in. Either that or on the inside wishing you were outside. And that's even worse.

 

[engineereeyore]

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
People just want something to complain about. And homosexuality is an easy target because unless you are homosexual you don't understand a damn thing about it. You can quote the bible all day long, but in the end that's all you are doing. You are on the outside looking in. Either that or on the inside wishing you were outside. And that's even worse.

At the end of the day, you can believe all we're doing is quoting the Bible all you want. At the end of your life on Earth, I doubt your tune will be the same.

 

[Zysoclaplem]

Originally posted by: engineereeyore

Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
People just want something to complain about. And homosexuality is an easy target because unless you are homosexual you don't understand a damn thing about it. You can quote the bible all day long, but in the end that's all you are doing. You are on the outside looking in. Either that or on the inside wishing you were outside. And that's even worse.

At the end of the day, you can believe all we're doing is quoting the Bible all you want. At the end of your life on Earth, I doubt your tune will be the same.

And if you had never seen a Bible you would be singing a different tune as well.
Fortunately enough, I did not have religion beaten into my head. I believe what I believe because I believe it. Not because I was force fed it in any shape or form.
I believe in God. I made that decision. I came to that conclusion. I don't need that book to tell me that there is a God. And I don't need religion to prove myself to others or God.
Can you say the same? If so, I apologize for my assumptions. If not, well I wouldn't be surprised.