Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right

[Texashiker]

In a statement released by the white house, obama slams Uganda for an anti-gay law they going to enact.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ment-president-anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda

As a country and a people, the United States has consistently stood for the protection of fundamental freedoms and universal human rights. We believe that people everywhere should be treated equally, with dignity and respect, and that they should have the opportunity to reach their fullest potential, no matter who they are or whom they love.

Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right and on par with the right to vote, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, right to trial by jury,,,, and other unalienable human rights?

 

[berzerker60]

Yep. Falls under the umbrella of 'right to do whatever the fuck you want when it doesn't harm other people,' which is the basis of the right to practice (or not) any religion you want and say whatever you want without the state interfering.

 

[HomerJS]

In a statement released by the white house, obama slams Uganda for an anti-gay law they going to enact.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ment-president-anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda



Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right and on par with the right to vote, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, right to trial by jury,,,, and other unalienable human rights?

To answer your question...

Can you be fired from your job just for being heterosexual??

 

[Texashiker]

Can you be fired from your job just for being heterosexual??

I do not know the answer.

Texas is an "at will" state. Meaning you can be let got for just about anything.

 

[Exophase]

Homosexuality is a matter of what gender you're attracted to (sexually/romantically), not your behavior. Saying someone doesn't have the right to their attraction is saying they don't have the right to exist, at least not without chemically altering themselves.

All freedoms and rights are an agreed upon contract with the government to balance what you're allowed to do vs what you're protected from, nothing is intrinsically fundamental or universal although something can be obviously beneficial as a right and can easily reach consensus. I'd say a good starting point is letting consenting parties do what they want with each other so long as it doesn't cause others harm and has limited and manageable risk for those consenting (ie, fatty foods = okay because a responsible adult can manage to eat moderately, while highly addictive mind-altering drugs = less okay because it's hard to be moderate without losing control, and the influence on your behavior puts others at risk, also the elevated risks of completely destroying your fundamental value to society)

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm rather concerned that you bothered asking this question. It shows the likeihood that you disagree with what you quoted and are here to express such a complaint about it. Yet you held back from doing so, why the non commitment to your own topic?

You could tell us how you think.

Or failing that I'll simply tell you yes. It's no concern of ours what people do "in their bedrooms". That extends to not harassing, segregating, or otherwise harming gays. For our stubborn, strict, and generally repressed nature we may need to address PDAs to keep people calm, comfortable, and sheltered, but I imagine one day even those would not be necessary.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yes. It falls under "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".

 

[surfsatwerk]

Every thread is the same thread.

 

[Texashiker]

I'm rather concerned that you bothered asking this question. It shows the likeihood that you disagree with what you quoted and are here to express such a complaint about it. Yet you held back from doing so, why the non commitment to your own topic?

You could tell us how you think.

Besides feeling I need to throw up when I see two gay guys kissing or holding hands, I have no objection to homo-sexuality.

Should sexual attraction in general be a protected human right?

If sexual attraction is a protected human right, where does it end? Could pedophiles use that argument to look at children? That example is extreme, but if sexual attraction is a right, where do you draw the line?

The government restricts certain types of gun ownership. I can not go down to the local gun store and buy a machine gun.

The government restricts human sacrifice in the name of religion.

If sexual attraction is a right, can it be restricted like other rights?

 

[brandonb]

Yep. Falls under the umbrella of 'right to do whatever the fuck you want when it doesn't harm other people,'

Harms my pocketbook when they get AIDS and end up in the hospital, since we all have to have health insurance now. I have to pay for others poor choices. That harms me.

(I'm not for or against homosexuality, I'm just throwing out the ridiculous notion that its harmless. Everything can harm someone somehow.)

 

[surfsatwerk]

Harms my pocketbook when they get AIDS and end up in the hospital, since we all have to have health insurance now. I have to pay for others poor choices. That harms me.

(I'm not for or against homosexuality, I'm just throwing out the ridiculous notion that its harmless. Everything can harm someone somehow.)

Everyone has AIDS.

 

[Texashiker]

Yep. Falls under the umbrella of 'right to do whatever the fuck you want when it doesn't harm other people,' which is the basis of the right to practice (or not) any religion you want and say whatever you want without the state interfering.

Certain rights are restricted even though you do not harm anyone else.

Homemade whiskey is illegal, even though making it does not harm anyone.

Buying a machine does not harm anyone, but you can not go down to the local gun store and buy one.

Smoking weed does not harm anyone.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Yes. And a repost of many reposts by the troll OP.l

 

[drebo]

Legislating morality...the US does it, too.

The general principle of liberty is that what goes on behind closed doors, in the privacy of one's own domicile, is no one else's business provided everyone involved is consenting and past the age of reason (the age at which a person understands the difference between fact and fiction.)

Any law against this is a law that is one of two things: 1) a power grab or 2) the forcing of one's morals on another.

Any ultra socially conservative regime will pass these laws (the US included.) Make no mistake, the US Dems and Repubs both are socially conservative and love forcing their morals on other people. This is why it's OK to show a beheading on broadcast TV but a nipple is taboo.

 

[Siddhartha]

In a statement released by the white house, obama slams Uganda for an anti-gay law they going to enact.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ment-president-anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda



Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right and on par with the right to vote, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, right to trial by jury,,,, and other unalienable human rights?

I do not have trouble with that.

I once sat down and tried to figure out how sexuality could be a danger to Western Civilization and did not come with anything that did not stink of bigotry, ignorance, the inability to mind one's business, and xenophobia.

I have heard some people defend their bigotry based on their religious beliefs but I remember how during the 1960's some people used their religious beliefs to justify their prejudice against Catholics, Jews, and Afro-Americans.

 

[Texashiker]

Yes. And a repost of many reposts by the troll OP.l

The general principle of liberty is that what goes on behind closed doors, in the privacy of one's own domicile, is no one else's business provided everyone involved is consenting and past the age of reason (the age at which a person understands the difference between fact and fiction.)

Make some whiskey behind your closed doors. Even though you are not hurting anyone it is illegal.

The idea of "what goes on in the privacy of your home", and as long "as it does not harm anyone else" does not hold water.

There are lots of things you can not do in the privacy of your home that are illegal.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Make some whiskey behind your closed doors. Even though you are not hurting anyone it is illegal.

Until your still blows up.

 

[rudeguy]

the government has no place in the bedroom

There should be no law for or against who a person wants to stick their body parts into, as long as that person can legally consent.

There is no reason the government should be involved in this debate.

 

[Atreus21]

In a statement released by the white house, obama slams Uganda for an anti-gay law they going to enact.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ment-president-anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda



Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right and on par with the right to vote, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, right to trial by jury,,,, and other unalienable human rights?

If by unalienable and universal human right you mean that being gay shouldn't merit beatings, murders or general maltreatment, then yes, it's an unalienable and universal human right.

 

[Texashiker]

Until your still blows up.

As long as you do not harm anyone else, so what?

Not everyone lives in a neighborhood. If someone in a rural area blows up their house making whiskey, so what? They were doing it in the privacy of their own home.

the government has no place in the bedroom

There should be no law for or against who a person wants to stick their body parts into, as long as that person can legally consent.

There is no reason the government should be involved in this debate.

That argument does not hold water.

There are lots of things that are illegal to do in your home.

If by unalienable and universal human right you mean that being gay shouldn't merit beatings, murders or general maltreatment, then yes, it's an unalienable and universal human right.

No, no violence towards other groups.

If other rights can be restricted and regulated, why should homo-sexuality get a free pass?

 

[Darwin333]

In a statement released by the white house, obama slams Uganda for an anti-gay law they going to enact.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ment-president-anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda



Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right and on par with the right to vote, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, right to trial by jury,,,, and other unalienable human rights?

The ability and right to love whoever you want? Damn right it is, why the hell wouldn't it be?

Thats like asking "Is the right to choose your own (heterosexual) spouse a fundamental freedom".

 

[rudeguy]

That argument does not hold water.

There are lots of things that are illegal to do in your home.

It does hold water.

Your argument has nothing to do with mine. I said the government has no place in the bedroom. There should be no laws regarding what two consenting adults do sexually with each other.

Please use your words this time and tell me where I am wrong.

 

[Texashiker]

The ability and right to love whoever you want? Damn right it is, why the hell wouldn't it be?

Thats like asking "Is the right to choose your own (heterosexual) spouse a fundamental freedom".

Nobody here is arguing against those points.

My question is should sex be a protected right as obama said?

 

[shabby]

If other rights can be restricted and regulated, why should homo-sexuality get a free pass?

Who are you to say it should or shouldn't get a free pass? Just because you find homosexuality icky and gross doesn't mean it should be restricted, no amount of restriction is going to make it go away so just deal with it.
Women weren't allowed to do many things way back when, blacks were supposed to sit at the back of the bus and use colored bathrooms, now look where we are.

 

[thraashman]

In a statement released by the white house, obama slams Uganda for an anti-gay law they going to enact.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ment-president-anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda



Is Homosexuality a fundamental freedom and universal human right and on par with the right to vote, freedom of religion, right to keep and bear arms, right to trial by jury,,,, and other unalienable human rights?

Homosexuality is not a right it is a natural state of being. The rights in question or those of being treated fairly and equally regardless of ones sexual orientation. The Whitehouse statement is not saying "homosexuality is a right", it is saying "equal treatment is a right homosexuals share with heterosexuals".