Is heatware required in a deal?

[Yzzim]

A couple weeks ago I did a deal with a member here at AT. The deal went smooth and I asked him to leave a heatware for me. He said that he only leaves one when he feels like it. So, I kept asking him if he would leave me some feedback and he either ignored me or called me a retard.

Now if this deal would have went bad and I wouldn't have shipped the item out right away you can bet your booties he would have left me negative feedback. Since everything has went fine he left me nothing.

I think leaving heatware should be required. It's a trader's responsibility to let other people know how the deal went and how that other trader is.

Not only has this happened to me, but it's happened to other traders I've talked to as well. This guy simply will NOT leave heatware for anyone.

 

[Anubis]

thats annoying. tho leaving a heat isnt "required" its a nice jesture. and you dont have to be a dick about it either

 

[bsobel]

While I tend to agree with you, no heatware is not required (unless you actually make it part of your sales agreement upfront). That said, who's the trader, I (and I'm sure others) will want to add him to our DNT list.
Bill

 

[murphy55d]

Required? No.

HIGHLY recommended? yes.

If the guy won't leave it, there's nothing you can do... it sucks, because that's one less + eval on your record...but if the guy is anal about it, I'd just leave it go. I don't know how required heatware would be enforced...or by who...

You can though for future deals, make it clear you'll only do business if appropriate heatware is involved... or somethin similar to ensure YOU get your evals.

Btw, did you leave one for him?

 

[Tominator]

I personally am so tired of getting screwed around with by those WITH good Heatware, I'm wondering what's the use?

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: murphy55d
Required? No.

HIGHLY recommended? yes.

If the guy won't leave it, there's nothing you can do... it sucks, because that's one less + eval on your record...but if the guy is anal about it, I'd just leave it go. I don't know how required heatware would be enforced...or by who...

You can though for future deals, make it clear you'll only do business if appropriate heatware is involved... or somethin similar to ensure YOU get your evals.

Btw, did you leave one for him?

I did a deal with him once before and left heatware for him first. I bet I sent 10 PMs before he left heatware for me. I thought this time around I would wait until he left me heatware before I left him any.

Seems like that didn't work

While I tend to agree with you, no heatware is not required (unless you actually make it part of your sales agreement upfront). That said, who's the trader, I (and I'm sure others) will want to add him to our DNT list.

I won't put his name in this thread, but I will PM it to you.

 

[murphy55d]

Originally posted by: Yzzim

Originally posted by: murphy55d
Required? No.

HIGHLY recommended? yes.

If the guy won't leave it, there's nothing you can do... it sucks, because that's one less + eval on your record...but if the guy is anal about it, I'd just leave it go. I don't know how required heatware would be enforced...or by who...

You can though for future deals, make it clear you'll only do business if appropriate heatware is involved... or somethin similar to ensure YOU get your evals.

Btw, did you leave one for him?

I did a deal with him once before and left heatware for him first. I bet I sent 10 PMs before he left heatware for me. I thought this time around I would wait until he left me heatware before I left him any.

Seems like that didn't work

While I tend to agree with you, no heatware is not required (unless you actually make it part of your sales agreement upfront). That said, who's the trader, I (and I'm sure others) will want to add him to our DNT list.

I won't put his name in this thread, but I will PM it to you.

Avoid making deals with him altogether from now on. Isn't worth the hassle and frustration.

Please PM me his name as well...doesn't sound like someone I'd care to make a deal with.

 

[BD2003]

If you ask him, you will get only half the story. I have been here since before heatware was even created and I have never screwed anyone. This guy comes out of nowhere and harrasses me about not leaving heatware BEFORE I even received the item, but of course you dont all know that. :disgust:

I dont have time for this BS, if anyone doesn't want to trade from me because of what this pita is trying to slander me with, be my guest.

Merry christmas to you all.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: BD2003
If you ask him, you will get only half the story. I have been here since before heatware was even created and I have never screwed anyone. This guy comes out of nowhere and harrasses me about not leaving heatware BEFORE I even received the item, but of course you dont all know that. :disgust:

I dont have time for this BS, if anyone doesn't want to trade from me because of what this pita is trying to slander me with, be my guest.

Merry christmas to you all.

Thank God for a 1000 PM history. Here's our PM history up until November 26th. I didn't send him ANY PM's until today.


Yzzim
Date Posted: 11/26/2002 8:08 PM
Did you ever get that Stowaway keyboard???

If so, please leave heatware here

thanks


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BD2003
Date Posted: 11/25/2002 2:07 PM
So then throw it away, if you said it came, I'm sure it came. I'll hopefully be able to go by and get it later today.

And for the record, heatware isnt required. You could go around screaming like a little schoolgirl about how I owe you heat, but until its in the rules that it says I have to, I dont have to.

I will leave heat when I get it, giving me a hard time about it isnt going to help.


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Yzzim
Date Posted: 11/25/2002 2:02 PM
Well, I remember you pulling the same stunt on our last deal and I didn't want it to happen again.

Plus I'm cleaning up my desk and would like to throw away this DC slip and reciept.


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BD2003
Date Posted: 11/25/2002 1:58 PM
Actually, I live on a college campus, and I havent recieved the keyboard since it has to go through my mailroom first. Of course they take their sweet time in notifying us that they actually have it, by putting a slip in our mailbox about two days later. And then they bitch to us when we come in and ask them if they can check if something came before they got the slip.

Its just a keyboard, so I'm not exactly waiting by the mailbox for it to come. I've been gone all weekend, woke up about an hour ago, still in my PJs, and going 4 floors down to check the mail isnt high on my list of priorities right now.

I'm sure it's come in perfect condition and all, but I'll let you know when I actually have it. I told you I'll let you know when I get it, so I'll let you know when I do. So I'd appreciate it if you'd hold back on the threats and attitude until then.


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Yzzim
Date Posted: 11/25/2002 1:49 PM
Were you ever going to let me know that you recieved the Stowaway keyboard? I had to look it up at USPS.com in order to find out that you did recieve the keyboard.

You know, this isn't the first deal I've done with you where your communication was lacking. The deal is not complete until proper heatware is left.

Considering this is the second deal we've done and you're communication has been terrible in both deals, I'm not too happy right now and your heatware might suffer.

Now I suppose I'll have to beg for a heatware from you like I did last time.




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Yzzim
Date Posted: 11/23/2002 5:11 PM
Got the Stowaway keyboard shipped out on Thursday, you should have recieved it either today. If you didn't you'll probably get it on Monday.

Here's the DC#

03047990000427016338

LMK when you get it

Thanks,
Travis

 

[Gaard]

Yzzim - <<He said that he only leaves one when he feels like it.>>

Where's he say this?

 

[Bleep]

I have bought quite a bit of stuff here and have had a hard time getting any heatware, one person that I purchased from flatly stated to me that he had enough and so he would not give anyone any, It really burns me up to have to pay upfront for every purchase made here and then the seller will not take 2 minutes of there time to give you a evaluation.
I have also got shafted by a person on here that had a ton of heatware but a personal visit got my money back. The person has since been banned but does deals on other boards.
I think heatware should be required to do busliness here and if the person does not come through with the eval he should be barred from doing any trades or anylthing here.
I just done a deal here a couple of weeks ago and paid first with a postal money order and PM to the seller with the money order number and even after he got the money order he would not come through with his end of the deal until he had cashed the money order but could not get to the PO for a week, then the question becomes "well so he is a little slow should I leave a neg eval"? some would say no he held up his end so a bad eval is not called for.
If the person has 150 good ones and you put in a neg all hell brakes loose.
Bleep

 

[bsobel]

If you ask him, you will get only half the story. I have been here since before heatware was even created and I have never screwed anyone. This guy comes out of nowhere and harrasses me about not leaving heatware BEFORE I even received the item, but of course you dont all know that. :disgust:

Your right, we did only hear his side. I actually think the pm thread he posted pretty much sums the issue up, sorry for taking sides without more info.

Were you ever going to let me know that you recieved the Stowaway keyboard? I had to look it up at USPS.com in order to find out that you did recieve the keyboard.
You know, this isn't the first deal I've done with you where your communication was lacking. The deal is not complete until proper heatware is left.
Considering this is the second deal we've done and you're communication has been terrible in both deals, I'm not too happy right now and your heatware might suffer.

This message, the first followup pretty much sums up what I see you ran into...

Bill

 

[murphy55d]

It's the sellers responsibility to make sure the item gets there, so I don't blame Yzzim at all for following up and asking if it got there, even after BD said it was probably in the mail room. I also don't see a problem in asking for a heatware eval.

 

[FoBoT]

n/m

 

[ThisIsMatt]

Sounds like you're both pretty anal...

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: ThisIsMatt
Sounds like you're both pretty anal...

I think Yzzim is being a little brat. BD2003 hadn't even received it yet and he start getting threats? I think I probably would've been a little more upset than he was if someone started to strongarm me.

Quotes from Yzzim...
<<He said that he only leaves one when he feels like it.>>
<< The deal is not complete until proper heatware is left.>>

Both are untrue.

 

[slag]

Originally posted by: bsobel
While I tend to agree with you, no heatware is not required (unless you actually make it part of your sales agreement upfront). That said, who's the trader, I (and I'm sure others) will want to add him to our DNT list.
Bill

If you are not going to buy/sell/trade with someone just because they dont leave heatware, then thats your perrogative, but I find that extremely amusing and pretty dumb.

 

[Yossarian]

From your pm's Yzzim, you kinda sound like a dick. You jump all over the guy from the second message and it goes downhill from there. I wouldn't have left you a heatware either.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: bsobel

If you ask him, you will get only half the story. I have been here since before heatware was even created and I have never screwed anyone. This guy comes out of nowhere and harrasses me about not leaving heatware BEFORE I even received the item, but of course you dont all know that. :disgust:

Your right, we did only hear his side. I actually think the pm thread he posted pretty much sums the issue up, sorry for taking sides without more info.

Were you ever going to let me know that you recieved the Stowaway keyboard? I had to look it up at USPS.com in order to find out that you did recieve the keyboard.
You know, this isn't the first deal I've done with you where your communication was lacking. The deal is not complete until proper heatware is left.
Considering this is the second deal we've done and you're communication has been terrible in both deals, I'm not too happy right now and your heatware might suffer.

This message, the first followup pretty much sums up what I see you ran into...

Bill

I've traded with BD2003 once before and he never told me when he recieved the item, even when I asked him to before hand. It was a couple days and I didn't hear anything from him, even though the USPS Delivery Confirmation thing said it had arrived. I still never recieved word that the item had arrived until he left heatware for me about 10 PM's later.

I guess when I saw that the item had arrived again, and I hadn't heard anything from him I was just expecting the same thing I got before - no communication on his part.

I suppose I am at fault here when I expect prompt notificiation on when the item was recieved. I saw it was delivery so I assumed he wasn't going to respond again. I had no way of knowing it was in the mailroom until he told me so.

Also, BD2003 said:

I'm sure it's come in perfect condition and all, but I'll let you know when I actually have it. I told you I'll let you know when I get it, so I'll let you know when I do.

Did I hear anything?? NO! I even sent him a message a couple days later asking if he recieved it and asking for a heatware. I GOT NOTHING.

Part of a good trade is good communication. BD2003 is lacking greatly.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: PipBoy
From your pm's Yzzim, you kinda sound like a dick. You jump all over the guy from the second message and it goes downhill from there. I wouldn't have left you a heatware either.

I only reason I was a dick was because this same thing has happened before. I did a deal with him once before and I had to beg for a heatware from him. When I saw he recieved the package I immediately assumed he was up to his same ways of not telling me when he recieved the item and not leaving heatware.

 

[Yossarian]

Then you shouldn't have traded with him again. Some people are just not conscientious about their trading due to lack of time or just not caring too much.

 

[optoman]

Heatware is a very simple thing to do, but if a trader doesn't leave the eval, it shouldn't be a big thing. I usually look at how long the person has been trading instead of how many evals he has. I would rather trade with a guy who has 20 evals over a years time than with a guy who has 30 evals in two months. The guy with the older evals will tend to know more of the etiquette (sp?) then the newer trader and the deal will usually go smoother. I have been lucky to have all my deals go through without a hitch. I also have about 10-15 people who owe me heat but have yet to leave it. I will usually ask them twice to leave it and if they don't then so be it.

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: PipBoy
Then you shouldn't have traded with him again. Some people are just not conscientious about their trading due to lack of time or just not caring too much.

We hadn't traded for 3 or 4 months (I think) so I thought I would give him another chance. Didn't really think it would turn out the same way

Listen, the deal went great, I have nothing to say bad about the deal. He sent me the money right away and I shipped the product out the day after. I just don't like that he didn't leave me a heatware, again. I don't like it that he told me he would tell me when he recieved the product and that never happened, again.

I thought heatware was required after a deal, he said it wasn't. I asked you guys and you said it's not, so I guess that's that. I will no longer be dealing with him nor he with I so as far as I can tell this thread is dead.

 

[bsobel]

If you are not going to buy/sell/trade with someone just because they dont leave heatware, then thats your perrogative, but I find that extremely amusing and pretty dumb.

Actually I made that satement based on the fact the Yzzim made the buyer seema bit abbusve with the "called me a retard" comment. If you see my post after the PM's where posted, I apologized to the buyer as this is atleast as much Yzzim's fault as his.

Bill

 

[Yzzim]

Originally posted by: bsobel

If you are not going to buy/sell/trade with someone just because they dont leave heatware, then thats your perrogative, but I find that extremely amusing and pretty dumb.

Actually I made that satement based on the fact the Yzzim made the buyer seema bit abbusve with the "called me a retard" comment. If you see my post after the PM's where posted, I apologized to the buyer as this is atleast as much Yzzim's fault as his.

Bill

Umm...he didn't call me a retard in the PMs I posted. He just called me a retard today when we talked via PM.

Actually he said "Are you retarded?" after I sent him a link to someone who had him (BD2003) on their "Sh#t List" on a website they made.

Again, I do believe the question has been answered so this thread is dead.