is Hamas a terrorist organization?

[brycejones]

I just finished saying I wasn't interested in revisiting ancient history.

All I see here is you trying to gain sympathy for terrorists.

You are very obtuse.

 

[fskimospy]

I just finished saying I wasn't interested in revisiting ancient history.

I understand that, but that’s irrelevant. Using your logic you would brand those resisting the Nazis as terrorists. Amusingly enough this would mean siding with the Germans against the Jews they were attempting to exterminate. I think that’s a monstrous position to hold, but it’s one you must hold if you’re being logically consistent.

Of course I don’t think you actually believe that but it should illustrate to you how silly your position here is and how you selectively decide when motives matter.

All I see here is you trying to gain sympathy for terrorists.

Thanks for the flashback to the early/mid 2000’s, where any attempt to understand a conflict was deemed as an apology for terrorism.

Hamas is bad, and the Palestinians are primarily responsible for the fact that some sort of lasting peace has not been secured. That doesn’t change the fact that the current Israeli government’s actions over the last 20 years have made things much worse, and they bear significant blame for the current violence.

 

[Heartbreaker]

You are very obtuse.

Because I won't play the game of finding excuses for terrorists?

Fine. Call me obtuse then.

 

[brycejones]

Because I won't play the game of finding excuses for terrorists?

Fine. Call me obtuse then.

actually I was wrong, looking back you are not obtuse you are deliberately dishonest

 

[Heartbreaker]

actually I was wrong, looking back you are not obtuse you are deliberately dishonest

Where?

 

[brycejones]

Where?

your misrepresentation of what others are saying

 

[Heartbreaker]

your misrepresentation of what others are saying

Where?

 

[brycejones]

Where?

Post 150 for one. Now fuck right off and go where the rest of the dishonest shits end up.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Post 150 for one. Now fuck right off and go where the rest of the dishonest shits end up.

Nothing dishonest or misrepresentation in my post.

I am just not interested in playing the: blame Israel as an excuse for Hamas terrorist activity, game.

That seems to anger you to the point of repeated insults.

Since I never insulted you, are you so sympathetic to Hamas, that not giving them excuses makes you that angry?

 

[fskimospy]

Nothing dishonest or misrepresentation in my post.

I am not interested in playing the blame Israel as an excuse for Hamas terrorist activity, game.

That seems to anger you to the point of repeated insults.

You claimed the goal of my post was to gain sympathy for terrorists when that is clearly untrue. There’s no need to lie about it now, we can all see what you wrote.

As for the games you appear to be interested in playing as far as I can tell it’s the ‘pretend there is zero context’ game so you don’t have to engage on the issue in a way that might mean something other than unconditional support for the actions of Israel.

In case you didn’t realize this, you can criticize both Hamas and Israel, because both are bad actors in this case.

 

[Heartbreaker]

You claimed the goal of my post was to gain sympathy for terrorists when that is clearly untrue. There’s no need to lie about it now, we can all see what you wrote.

Wrong. It's not a lie for me to interpret what I am seeing.

You equated Hamas with the French Resistance. That is in my book an attempt to gain sympathy for Hamas by equating them with an organization held in less ill repute.

In case you didn’t realize this, you can criticize both Hamas and Israel, because both are bad actors in this case.

You can do lot's of things. Not interested in your bothsideisms or whataboutisms for Hamas.

 

[fskimospy]

Wrong. It's not a lie for me to interpret what I am seeing.

You equated Hamas with the French Resistance. That is in my book an attempt to sympathize with Hamas.

I explicitly stated I was NOT making such an equivalence, you can read it for yourself. In fact, I was pointing out how unlike the two are to showcase the absurdity and selective use of your logic.

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This is a further example of misrepresenting what people are saying.

You can do lot's of things. Not interested in your bothsideisms or whataboutisms for Hamas.

Yes, you made it very clear that you want to hypocritically pretend context doesn't exist in this one case.

If you want to continue being a hypocrite that's up to you but please stop deliberately misrepresenting what others are saying.

 

[WelshBloke]

Because I won't play the game of finding excuses for terrorists?

Fine. Call me obtuse then.

You realise that the modern state of Israel was set up and run by what you would call terrorists? Without terrorists it probably wouldn't exist, or not in the same way.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I explicitly stated I was NOT making such an equivalence, you can read it for yourself. In fact, I was pointing out how unlike the two are to showcase the absurdity and selective use of your logic.

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This is a further example of misrepresenting what people are saying.


Yes, you made it very clear that you want to hypocritically pretend context doesn't exist in this one case.

If you want to continue being a hypocrite that's up to you but please stop deliberately misrepresenting what others are saying.

That isn't the post i was responding to. This was.

Okay then, so therefore you are of a similar opinion about the French Resistance, who were undeniably terrorists as well. After all, you don’t give any fucks about reasons and surely you wish to remain logically consistent.

You are basically questioning my treatment of Hamas, and asking if I would treat French Resistance the same, as they are both terrorists. Stating I must treat them the same to remain consistent.

For that argument to make any sense, you are equating Hamas and the French resistance.

 

[fskimospy]

That isn't the post i was responding to. This was.

You are basically questioning my treatment of Hamas, and asking if I would treat French Resistance the same, as they are both terrorists. Stating I must treat them the same to remain consistent.

For that argument to make any sense, you are equating Hamas and the French resistance.

Yes, exactly. If you were consistently applying THE LOGIC I WAS SAYING WAS BAD then you would have to equate the two. I was arguing that this logic is stupid, not that we should equate the French Resistance and Hamas!

So yes, when I am clearly arguing that the two aren't the same and then you claim I'm saying the opposite you are misrepresenting my argument. You should stop doing this because it's dishonest.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Yes, exactly. If you were consistently applying THE LOGIC I WAS SAYING WAS BAD then you would have to equate the two. I was arguing that this logic is stupid, not that we should equate the French Resistance and Hamas!

I see it NOW that you explain it, but when you first wrote it. It looked to me like you were equating Hamas and French Resistance.

My apologies for getting that wrong.

 

[fskimospy]

I see it NOW that you explain it, but when you first wrote it. It looked to me like you were equating Hamas and French Resistance.

My apologies for getting that wrong.

Thank you, and I appreciate you being mature enough to say that, it's an unfortunately uncommon thing.

 

[IronWing]

But the question in this thread, was "Is Hamas a Terrorist organization".

This thread was created with that title in attempt to reframe the discussion already underway in the Jerusalem thread.

 

[GunsMadeAmericaFree]

You realise that the modern state of Israel was set up and run by what you would call terrorists? Without terrorists it probably wouldn't exist, or not in the same way.

How so? Many Jewish immigrants wanted to escape the bigotry and racism that had been leveled at them in Europe for centuries. This desire was brought to the forefront by the concentration camps killing millions of them - they wanted to escape to their ancient homeland, where they could band together and keep others from wiping them out. Although Britian had publicly said that they would set up a Jewish homeland, later they tried to restrict the number of Jews coming into the area.

 

[WelshBloke]

How so?

Work from here and then work forwards!

Lehi (militant group) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[brycejones]

How so? Many Jewish immigrants wanted to escape the bigotry and racism that had been leveled at them in Europe for centuries. This desire was brought to the forefront by the concentration camps killing millions of them - they wanted to escape to their ancient homeland, where they could band together and keep others from wiping them out. Although Britian had publicly said that they would set up a Jewish homeland, later they tried to restrict the number of Jews coming into the area.

You appear to be profoundly ignorant.

 

[rommelrommel]

How so? Many Jewish immigrants wanted to escape the bigotry and racism that had been leveled at them in Europe for centuries. This desire was brought to the forefront by the concentration camps killing millions of them - they wanted to escape to their ancient homeland, where they could band together and keep others from wiping them out. Although Britian had publicly said that they would set up a Jewish homeland, later they tried to restrict the number of Jews coming into the area.

You may want to look into what happened from about 1946-1948 in the region.

 

[darkswordsman17]

You may want to look into what happened from about 1946-1948 in the region.

That's ancient history apparently...

Meanwhile people pointing out the current behavior of the Israeli government and right wingers there doing exactly what they're demonizing Hamas for saying is apparently unfair.