Is Federal fining of businesses who employ undocumented workers to help unions?

[Anarchist420]

I had never thought of this until I read something written by lewrockwell a few days ago, but then it all just clicked:

The owners of Chuy's Mesquite Broiler in Phoenix and 13 other locations around western states have been kidnapped from their popular restaurants and dragged to jail. This will be followed by trial, and certain personal bankruptcy. They could face 80 years in prison. In the raid, "Homeland Security" stole their computers, their accounting and employment records, and walked out the door – just like a gang of thieves. The only difference is that these thugs operate under the cover of the law.
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]And what evil did these restaurateurs do? Were they poisoning people, stealing customers’ wallets, secretly running an assassination conspiracy, sending in the predator drones against people they hate, or what? To lock anyone away for life is a shocking sentence, so surely the punishment must fit the crime. Pyscho sniper-murderers have gotten less. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What they are alleged to have done is hired people who don’t have the proper bureaucratic forms filled out for them. That’s all. Nothing more. It is being done in the name of immigration enforcement and cracking down on illegals. The workers themselves are untouched by any of this. Their benefactors – and the benefactors of society – are the ones being targeted with police-state tactics. [/FONT]
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No, they will come anyway. In order to eliminate every possible job opportunity for immigrants, the Obama administration will have to jail and terrorize vast numbers, destroying the commercial life of major swaths of the country. This is a catastrophic plan that amounts to a fundamental attack on liberty, and the nationalization of the service industry. (I should add that I prefer illegal immigration to legal, since we have far too many citizens able to vote themselves other people’s property, and too few people who want to work hard for a living.)

Just as George Bush used national security as the great excuse to shred the Bill of Rights, the Obama administration is using illegal immigration as the excuse to achieve the socialist dream of bringing employer-employee relations entirely under government purview. It is a form of micro-nationalization.
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]And why? Socialist ideology plays a role here, and another authoritarian anti-market ideology, protectionism. But if you look closely enough at this enforcement, you will find the hand of Obama affiliated big labor unions at work behind the scenes. It’s not that they are against immigrants. The unions hate any employee who works for the going market wage. As their power and influence continues to fall, if not in DC, they are resorting to ever more desperate tactics to shore up their slipping cartel. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]You can see, then, that this crack down has nothing to do with nationalism or racialism or securing the borders or anything else. It is all about bolstering the power of the state and its unions over the American economy, and making the rest of us poorer.[/FONT]

Link:
http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/tragedy-of-immigration-enforcement181.html

So does anyone here besides me agree that Obama's just (not really) cracking down on undocumented workers in a harmful way to help the unions?

Consider that the national right to work act is picking up momentum, that the more people are realizing the minimum wage is harmful to the poor, and that many, many companies are currently deunionizing or have already so recently. Consider that Obama needs the support of Big Labor in 2012, and consider that the Democrats have been the party of Big Labor since Woody Wilson.

Then consider the sensible ways to crack down on illegal immigration that Obama could support, but actually vehemently opposes:
getting rid of Federal income taxes and Federal payroll taxes;
allowing states to enforce immigration policies;
cutting off the welfare state;
repealing birthright citizenship;
the free market

If Obama's Admin continues to deal with illegal immigration as described in the link, then it would possibly be less of a burden on the tax payer to just let them siphon off the welfare system (the disadvantages of that would partially be offset by them providing cheaper labor), which I'm not so sure that such a large number of them do.

This is why I can't stand Obama--the deception; so many people (needless to say, I'm not of one them) are going to believe that he's actually trying to get rid of undocumented workers, and then view him favorably on immigration reduction. If he is really trying to crack down on illegal immigration by doing shit like this, then he's an idiot, but I seriously doubt that's the case.

 

[Atreus21]

I don't care if it helps unions. It's a good way to remove an incentive to illegally immigrate in that it hits them where it hurts the most.

 

[JockoJohnson]

I don't care if it helps unions. It's a good way to remove an incentive to illegally immigrate in that it hits them where it hurts the most.

Agreed. Whether it's for the unions or not doesn't really matter.

 

[Vette73]

 

[soundforbjt]

No, it's what should be done. If there are no jobs to be found, they'll think twice about coming here. It's the repubs that want the illegals punished, but not the businesses that hire them.

 

[MotF Bane]

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[Fear No Evil]

To be fair we should also fine school administrators and teachers who willingly allow illegals in as well. As well as law enforcement who don't enforce it, and city officials who don't enforce it. Why stop at businesses? Oh yeah, because they have the $$$.. Which is what this is really about.

 

[chucky2]

To be fair we should also fine school administrators and teachers who willingly allow illegals in as well. As well as law enforcement who don't enforce it, and city officials who don't enforce it. Why stop at businesses? Oh yeah, because they have the $$$.. Which is what this is really about.

Totally agree.

 

[Fern]

And they let the illegal immigrant workers go away unscathed? WTH?

Fern

 

[Red Dawn]

And they let the illegal immigrant workers go away unscathed? WTH?

Fern

When caught they deport them. You want to pay for imprisoning them?

 

[Fern]

When caught they deport them. You want to pay for imprisoning them?

C'mon, I know better than that.

When caught they get a court date and are released. They don't show back up.

The article spefically mentions they do nothing to the illegal immigrant workers. IMO, you bust the biz then you also go get the illegals.

If they're deported and are caught here again I think we should consider imprisoning them in sheriff Joe Arpaio style - in a tent in the desert and pb&j sandwiches. Probably should be given some work to do too.

Fern

 

[Red Dawn]

C'mon, I know better than that.

When caught they get a court date and are released. They don't show back up.

The article spefically mentions they do nothing to the illegal immigrant workers. IMO, you bust the biz then you also go get the illegals.

If they're deported and are caught here again I think we should consider imprisoning them in sheriff Joe Arpaio style - in a tent in the desert and pb&j sandwiches. Probably should be given some work to do too.

Fern

Ah the Old South..slave labor. BTW Arpaio's Dept is rife with corruption, you know there'd be some Deputy making bank on it.

 

[Zebo]

Liberals are always confused about this issue. Supply and demand hurts their working poor constituency and at same time unwashed masses are always welcome like statue of liberty says.

World is not black and white but choices of grey.

 

[Siddhartha]

I had never thought of this until I read something written by lewrockwell a few days ago, but then it all just clicked:
Link:
http://lewrockwell.com/rockwell/tragedy-of-immigration-enforcement181.html

So does anyone here besides me agree that Obama's just (not really) cracking down on undocumented workers in a harmful way to help the unions?

Consider that the national right to work act is picking up momentum, that the more people are realizing the minimum wage is harmful to the poor, and that many, many companies are currently deunionizing or have already so recently. Consider that Obama needs the support of Big Labor in 2012, and consider that the Democrats have been the party of Big Labor since Woody Wilson.

Then consider the sensible ways to crack down on illegal immigration that Obama could support, but actually vehemently opposes:
getting rid of Federal income taxes and Federal payroll taxes;
allowing states to enforce immigration policies;
cutting off the welfare state;
repealing birthright citizenship;
the free market

If Obama's Admin continues to deal with illegal immigration as described in the link, then it would possibly be less of a burden on the tax payer to just let them siphon off the welfare system (the disadvantages of that would partially be offset by them providing cheaper labor), which I'm not so sure that such a large number of them do.

This is why I can't stand Obama--the deception; so many people (needless to say, I'm not of one them) are going to believe that he's actually trying to get rid of undocumented workers, and then view him favorably on immigration reduction. If he is really trying to crack down on illegal immigration by doing shit like this, then he's an idiot, but I seriously doubt that's the case.

What are your solutions* for the US illegal immigrant situation?
*Have to be constitutional.

 

[Anarchist420]

Repealing the 14th Amendment, ending the welfare state (especially for non-citizens), and allowing States to have their own immigration policies.

If Obama was actually trying to end the problems that come from immigration, then he would be doing the above, not fining the hell out of businesses and arresting their owners for decades. He's doing that so the Federal government and Big Labor can monitor the relation between the employer and the employee; the evidence which I posted in my OP is a dead giveaway.

The real problem is the Federal government's policies, not the immigrants themselves.

 

[soundforbjt]

The real problem is the Federal government's policies, not the immigrants themselves.

No, the real problem is people and businesses that hire illegals. If they don't have work, there's no reason for them to come here.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If they're deported and are caught here again I think we should consider imprisoning them in sheriff Joe Arpaio style - in a tent in the desert and pb&j sandwiches. Probably should be given some work to do too.

The work should consist of building a large wall on the Mexican border.

 

[chucky2]

No, the real problem is people and businesses that hire illegals. If they don't have work, there's no reason for them to come here.

But if the illegals weren't here in the first place, they wouldn't be available to hire. I say fix both problems, thus havnig a much better chance of success.