I would say the 5.56 is just as deadly as the 7.62 but the aurgument is not about just lethality it is about stopping power. You want a round the will knock somone on their a$$ and stop them not just kill them. It is a known fact that the insurgents are using drugs to make themselves harder to stop so a bigger round would make sense but it is to late now to change as it would take years for any changes to reach the troops.
Gibsons
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Their's been a trial of sorts between the 6.8 SPC and the 6.5 Grendel. Text
The Grendel is a pretty unusual round, really long so it's got a good ballistic coefficient. Leads to good long range performance, but it's got an odd shape so there's some concern about how it might adapt to a fully automatic weapon, IIRC.
Gibsons
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The replacement rifle will/may be the XM8. Text
It's been shelved for a bit. I read somewhere that the delay was to wait and see if they really did want to change from the 5.56 to either the 6.8 or 6.5. Makes some sense - don't buy a bunch of new rifles and then decide a year later you want a new caliber as well. Can't find that link though.
K1052
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I really doubt the US will shake the NATO ammo standard for a main battle rifle.
The hilarious thing is that the XM8 is more or less a dressed up/modernized version of the AR-18 that was available to the US government just after the M16 was adopted.
The attemped to use projectile velocity as the advantage to this round..obviously someone didnt do there home work...the must have forgotten the difference in going from a .38 handgun to a .45 caliber handgun made in military sidearms.
moshquerade
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moshquerade
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they identified him by a scar and by fingerprints. i wonder how fair apart that evidence was... :shocked:
Vietnam is long over you moron.
Also I seem to remember this thread a while back talking about Hollow Point VS Full Metal Jacket bullets and why our troops can't use them in combat. A 5.56 can kill a deer (cousin does it all the time) if its a HP because the HP is able to deliver far more energy to the target and cause massive trauma where the FMJ would go right through. However since our troops aren't allowed to use HP rounds then the only option for better stopping power is a higher calibur.
I agree completely with you.
I'll admit I've not shot a human with my ar-15 which fires .223/5.56. However based on shooting hogs and deer and such with it. I can assure you that if you hit a man in the torso or upper torso with this round he will not continue to fight.
I would argue that most important factor in the death of the target would be the amount of damage done. The velocity 3000+ FPS and the tumble of the 5.56 rounds both 55 and 68 grain is quite effective. Also my second shot is near dead on at 50 yards on a double tap.
The bullet trajector is beautiful. Dead on at 50 and 200 yards.
Having shot both m4 and ak47 style guns I personally like the m4 better.
The ak climbs fast to the right in auto. The impressive thing about the AK is how far those shell ejections go (15 -25 ft).
Just my $0.02 FAR
Specop 007
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The latest ballistics test pretty much settled the trial.
The 6.5 is a helluva round. Personally, I think it is the "perfect" round. Excellent long range performance (On par or better then .308), low recoil, excellent terminal ballistics, lighter then .308...
Whats not to love?
The lowly 22lr is an effective killer in the right situation.
Same for the military round but what is needed is a compromise now that they have had the feild experience to really analyze both types of rounds in the feild. What is working is the short case of both the AK and M-16 and the ability to carry lots of ammo. What isn't is the higher recoil and jump of the AK and the poor penetration of the M-16.
I watched a histroy channel comparison between the two when shooting at cindercrete blocks at less than 100 the AK tore through them the M-16 cracked them. They are involved in urban warefare shooting through doors walls etc even vietnam soldiers were still wounded by the AK ability to penetrate trees.
The compromise is moving the bullet size up to 6mm or 6.5mm while keeping the same 5.56 case. To wholesale change a weapon is $$ to do, to re-barrell the M-16 and slide your ammo supply over gradually in transition, using up the old supply while everything new coming in matches the rifle modification is easy to do.
Same for the military round but what is needed is a compromise now that they have had the feild experience to really analyze both types of rounds in the feild. What is working is the short case of both the AK and M-16 and the ability to carry lots of ammo. What isn't is the higher recoil and jump of the AK and the poor penetration of the M-16.
I watched a histroy channel comparison between the two when shooting at cindercrete blocks at less than 100 the AK tore through them the M-16 cracked them. They are involved in urban warefare shooting through doors walls etc even vietnam soldiers were still wounded by the AK ability to penetrate trees.
The compromise is moving the bullet size up to 6mm or 6.5mm while keeping the same 5.56 case. To wholesale change a weapon is $$ to do, to re-barrell the M-16 and slide your ammo supply over gradually in transition, using up the old supply while everything new coming in matches the rifle modification is easy to do.
Queasy
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I quit reading when they compared it to a .22.
Yes, the diameters are similar.
BFD.
:roll:
Viper GTS
Yes, the diameters are similar.
BFD.
:roll:
Viper GTS
Is that from an F-16? Looks like he's set up to deliver an AGM-65. That MFD looks very familiar. I just started playing Falcon 4.0: Allied Force.
"22-caliber civilian bullet" No, not even close. The .223 round the US Military uses leaves a nasty exit would and would certainly mess you up unlike the civilian bullet of similar caliber.
0roo0roo
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well i saw in a documentary they were finding all sorts of drugs on the dead insurgents. basically they were loading up on pcp or something so they felt nothing and wouldn't go into shock until they bled out type of stuff. so of course, shooting em not as effective as normal.
http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm
If the wound from a 5.56mm actually looked like that... why don't they die?
If the wound from a 5.56mm actually looked like that... why don't they die?
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