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Is FAIR AND BALANCED moderation too much to ask for?

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Originally posted by: conjur
Don't flatter yourself, alchemize.

Let's go through the timeline.

12:49 I make the post that offends Conjurs tender ego
1:09 Mod intercedes by random chance.
1:28 Conjur is infuriated by *some other* post where he feels someobody was trolling. (not that one one). Posts about it in Forum Issues

Yah, just coincidence LOL!

In all seriousness...just lighten up. It's just a stupid internets message board. You've made this your life, it's eating away at you.



 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: So
As much as I personally disagree with some of the decisions made by the mods (and some policies), the fact is, you must recognize that the mods are HUMAN, and that they are fallible. Some just plain don't like certain users, and have to do their best to moderate those emotions.

I think the fact that the mods are 'anonymous' leads to people expecting them all to act the same, and that's simply not true.
Incorrect.

It seems that people expect them to act in the way they personally want, because it is felt that there is no accountability.

Within P&N, for a liberal style person, they expect that the Mod will be liberal and support their side.
The same goes for a conservative.

When a Mod from the opposite side of the spectrum (weighs in) then that blows their ideal fantasies to kingdom come.

Remove the Liberal/Conservative label and insert what ever polarization issue exists in any forum her and the same result occurs.
I don't expect favors. I expect fair treatment. If a "conservative" mod gives someone who's "liberal" a week for trolling or insults or whatever, they should do the same when spotting a similar post from a "conservative" poster.

Why is that too much to ask?

As for mosh, well, you just happen to have a mod that apparently has a crush on you and took my sarcastic reply as some sort of personal attack against you and I was punished for it. What you'll find if you care to look at my posts is that I'll respond in kind. I've had plenty of good debates with people on the opposite side that truly want to engage in debate. When the one-liners come in with the trolls and snipes, it's hard to keep ignoring them.


Why is asking for a mod to treat all the same too much to ask for? I treat all alike at my own board. I've had to reign in some posters who I even know personally. It's the right thing to do.
it *WAS* a personal attack, and when the mod PMed you and told you to knock it off you called him/her out on the board and said you wouldn't stop. your disrespect and general pissy attitude got you that timeout. so don't try to cry a river and paint it something that it wasn't.

here's the thing conjur: your bannings have NOTHING to do with your political affliation or opinions of current political affairs it has to do with your general disrespect and ridiculing of anyone who comes out with an opposing pov.

you want to be treated fairly? try treating your fellow posters fairly, and respecting the mods and see where that gets you. it works fine for the rest of the posters here.

When the one-liners come in with the trolls and snipes, it's hard to keep ignoring them.
I agree, but I find that when I do venture into P&N, which is rarely, you are quick to snipe me. disagree?

 
Originally posted by: bamacre
I bet the neocon mod is Shinerburke. 😉

Edit: Oh, it could be CSG!

It's actually Riprorin. He really was just a science experiment, designed to infuriate leftists with his relentless unemotional approach.
 
Hahaha...I laugh at all of you.

Shinerburke, Wallydraigle and HappyPuppy were never banned. They simply posed it all and became moderators and have taken control of the AT forums.

The Triad Controls All
 
:laugh:

No offense, conjur, but this thread is pretty funny considering the history of banned members of P&N. (Hint: they are all right wingers)
 
Originally posted by: OdiN
Hahaha...I laugh at all of you.

Shinerburke, Wallydraigle and HappyPuppy were never banned. They simply posed it all and became moderators and have taken control of the AT forums.

The Triad Controls All
shhhh, that was supposed to be a secret.

 
Hey conjur, Shinerburke says Hi.
Do you realize you're arguing the same exact point that he was permabanned for?
Remember, the one where you said he was nuts?
 
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: So
As much as I personally disagree with some of the decisions made by the mods (and some policies), the fact is, you must recognize that the mods are HUMAN, and that they are fallible. Some just plain don't like certain users, and have to do their best to moderate those emotions.

I think the fact that the mods are 'anonymous' leads to people expecting them all to act the same, and that's simply not true.
Incorrect.

It seems that people expect them to act in the way they personally want, because it is felt that there is no accountability.

Within P&N, for a liberal style person, they expect that the Mod will be liberal and support their side.
The same goes for a conservative.

When a Mod from the opposite side of the spectrum (weighs in) then that blows their ideal fantasies to kingdom come.

Remove the Liberal/Conservative label and insert what ever polarization issue exists in any forum her and the same result occurs.
I don't expect favors. I expect fair treatment. If a "conservative" mod gives someone who's "liberal" a week for trolling or insults or whatever, they should do the same when spotting a similar post from a "conservative" poster.

Why is that too much to ask?

As for mosh, well, you just happen to have a mod that apparently has a crush on you and took my sarcastic reply as some sort of personal attack against you and I was punished for it. What you'll find if you care to look at my posts is that I'll respond in kind. I've had plenty of good debates with people on the opposite side that truly want to engage in debate. When the one-liners come in with the trolls and snipes, it's hard to keep ignoring them.


Why is asking for a mod to treat all the same too much to ask for? I treat all alike at my own board. I've had to reign in some posters who I even know personally. It's the right thing to do.
it *WAS* a personal attack, and when the mod PMed you and told you to knock it off you called him/her out on the board and said you wouldn't stop. your disrespect and general pissy attitude got you that timeout. so don't try to cry a river and paint it something that it wasn't.
No, it wasn't. It was a sarcastic reply directed at no one in particular based on your post from a worthless rag that is owned and operated by the very people that lied us into war. It's like posting a link to a KKK site and saying, hey, racism ain't bad.

here's the thing conjur: your bannings have NOTHING to do with your political affliation or opinions of current political affairs it has to do with your general disrespect and ridiculing of anyone who comes out with an opposing pov.

you want to be treated fairly? try treating your fellow posters fairly, and respecting the mods and see where that gets you. it works fine for the rest of the posters here.
No, my vacations have come from a particular mod (or mods) who don't like my point of view and have stooped to banal insults (as shown in the OP in this thread). They protect their kind. The same may go the other way, too, but I'm not aware of what happened to the likes of shinerburke, CsG, etc. Shinerburke even posted a rant at yagt.org that I gladly let him do. I have nothing against him. Why would I?

When the one-liners come in with the trolls and snipes, it's hard to keep ignoring them.
I agree, but I find that when I do venture into P&N, which is rarely, you are quick to snipe me. disagree?[/quote]As I've posted before, I respond in kind.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: conjur
Don't flatter yourself, alchemize.

Let's go through the timeline.

12:49 I make the post that offends Conjurs tender ego
1:09 Mod intercedes by random chance.
1:28 Conjur is infuriated by *some other* post where he feels someobody was trolling. (not that one one). Posts about it in Forum Issues

Yah, just coincidence LOL!

In all seriousness...just lighten up. It's just a stupid internets message board. You've made this your life, it's eating away at you.

Your words were:
PPS: If anyone wants links, it was Conjur whining about me. He demands a ban!
As I said, don't flatter yourself.

And, if you'd read this thread you'd realize this is something that's been going on for quite some time. It has nothing to do with you.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: So
As much as I personally disagree with some of the decisions made by the mods (and some policies), the fact is, you must recognize that the mods are HUMAN, and that they are fallible. Some just plain don't like certain users, and have to do their best to moderate those emotions.

I think the fact that the mods are 'anonymous' leads to people expecting them all to act the same, and that's simply not true.
Incorrect.

It seems that people expect them to act in the way they personally want, because it is felt that there is no accountability.

Within P&N, for a liberal style person, they expect that the Mod will be liberal and support their side.
The same goes for a conservative.

When a Mod from the opposite side of the spectrum (weighs in) then that blows their ideal fantasies to kingdom come.

Remove the Liberal/Conservative label and insert what ever polarization issue exists in any forum her and the same result occurs.
I don't expect favors. I expect fair treatment. If a "conservative" mod gives someone who's "liberal" a week for trolling or insults or whatever, they should do the same when spotting a similar post from a "conservative" poster.

Why is that too much to ask?

As for mosh, well, you just happen to have a mod that apparently has a crush on you and took my sarcastic reply as some sort of personal attack against you and I was punished for it. What you'll find if you care to look at my posts is that I'll respond in kind. I've had plenty of good debates with people on the opposite side that truly want to engage in debate. When the one-liners come in with the trolls and snipes, it's hard to keep ignoring them.


Why is asking for a mod to treat all the same too much to ask for? I treat all alike at my own board. I've had to reign in some posters who I even know personally. It's the right thing to do.
it *WAS* a personal attack, and when the mod PMed you and told you to knock it off you called him/her out on the board and said you wouldn't stop. your disrespect and general pissy attitude got you that timeout. so don't try to cry a river and paint it something that it wasn't.
No, it wasn't. It was a sarcastic reply directed at no one in particular based on your post from a worthless rag that is owned and operated by the very people that lied us into war. It's like posting a link to a KKK site and saying, hey, racism ain't bad.

here's the thing conjur: your bannings have NOTHING to do with your political affliation or opinions of current political affairs it has to do with your general disrespect and ridiculing of anyone who comes out with an opposing pov.

you want to be treated fairly? try treating your fellow posters fairly, and respecting the mods and see where that gets you. it works fine for the rest of the posters here.
No, my vacations have come from a particular mod (or mods) who don't like my point of view and have stooped to banal insults (as shown in the OP in this thread). They protect their kind. The same may go the other way, too, but I'm not aware of what happened to the likes of shinerburke, CsG, etc. Shinerburke even posted a rant at yagt.org that I gladly let him do. I have nothing against him. Why would I?

When the one-liners come in with the trolls and snipes, it's hard to keep ignoring them.
I agree, but I find that when I do venture into P&N, which is rarely, you are quick to snipe me. disagree?
As I've posted before, I respond in kind.
[/quote]
you are FOS. you START the flaming. stop denying what every single person who posts in P&N knows about you!

this thread is hilarious. you crying foul. :laugh:
one of the most foul mouthed members P&N has to deal with. :laugh:

 
Hmm...you call me full of sh*t and then turn around and say *I* start the flaming and call me foul-mouthed?



:roll:
 
Originally posted by: asadasif
In before the lock!



Oh! Too slow. You didn't get out before the ban. See you in a week.
AnandTech "Doesn't know what a neocon is" Moderator

The mod who left this comment is welcome to date my daughter. If the mod is female, I also have a son. (Though you could prolly do better...)
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Hmm...you call me full of sh*t and then turn around and say *I* start the flaming and call me foul-mouthed?



:roll:
calling a spade a spade.

you should really stop burying yourself more deeply here by stretching truths and misrepresenting what you actually do on this board.

 
Originally posted by: Greenman
Originally posted by: asadasif
In before the lock!



Oh! Too slow. You didn't get out before the ban. See you in a week.
AnandTech "Doesn't know what a neocon is" Moderator

The mod who left this comment is welcome to date my daughter. If the mod is female, I also have a son. (Though you could prolly do better...)


I feel sorry for your daughter.

You know, they have laws against child abuse.
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Define the word "Fair"-- Conjur....rofl
fair
adj 1: free from favoritism or self-interest or bias or deception;
or conforming with established standards or rules; "a
fair referee; "fair deal"; "on a fair footing"; "a
fair fight"; "by fair means or foul" [syn: just]
[ant: unfair]
2: showing lack of favoritism; "the cold neutrality of an
impartial judge" [syn: impartial] [ant: partial]
3: more than adequate in quality; "fair work"

That sufficient?
 
To be honest, I think one mod in particular abuses their power however they see fit. I don't doubt it's the same mod Conjur has a problem with. I tend to have good relations with the mods 9 times out of 10, and that 10th time always tends to have the exact same attitude. Cranky is the nice word for it.

You know who you are.
 
again Conjur thats a dictionary definition!
You know as well as I do especially since you like to hang in the P&N forums that there is NO such thing as FAIR!!

I stand by my statement...that what is fair to you is NOT fair to somebody else and visa verse..

Then of course we can alway get into the other word-- Balanced....
If you define the word balanced you come up with the same situation...
As long as you feel something is balanced there will always be those who feel just the opposite and vice a versa..

Bottom line is you won`t win this debate..plain and simple!!
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Define the word "Fair"-- Conjur....rofl
fair
adj 1: free from favoritism or self-interest or bias or deception;
or conforming with established standards or rules; "a
fair referee; "fair deal"; "on a fair footing"; "a
fair fight"; "by fair means or foul" [syn: just]
[ant: unfair]
2: showing lack of favoritism; "the cold neutrality of an
impartial judge" [syn: impartial] [ant: partial]
3: more than adequate in quality; "fair work"

That sufficient?


Heres a tip, dont hold your breath waiting for the mods to change.


Of course if the mods are willing to post rules and enforce them without bias I am all for it. But the mods have avoided doing that and we get situations like this.

OF course I have been given vacations for rules that were made up after the fact, but you probably thought those were fair....
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: allisolm
Originally posted by: conjur
I realize the moderation is done on an individual basis but when someone is given week-long vacations over a certain declared infraction and then complains of the same being done by others, why should that person then be derided and threatened by a mod?

I don't get it.
I don't get it. Who was vacationed and what was he complaining of and why are you involved?
It's a long-running issue with the mod I call the "neocon mod" and myself.

I'm just sick and tired of being singled out due to a particular mod's personal vendetta against my political opinions. I have been given several one-week vacations over very minor infractions (one not even being an infraction but, rather, a sarcastic reply in a thread now since deleted). When I seek "fair play" by mods in threads where I see obvious trolling, I'm met with responses from the mods such as:
See the mod comment in each postand get off your high horse with your own name calling directed at us. You really do not know your ass from a hole in the ground. You too can be posting eleswhere.

That's very mature. :roll:


BTW, my "name calling" was my reference to the "neocon mod". Since moderation up here is completely anonymous (a ridiculous stance, imho), I have no other way of referring to particular mods and that description fits this one in particular.


Yes, I'm ranting and whining but I feel it's entirely justified. I'm just sick and tired of the heavy bias in the moderation.

there's like one right leaning mod and 20 left leaning mods. you complaining is humorous tho, especially saying things like "fair and balanced".
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
In all seriousness...just lighten up.

It's just a stupid internets message board.

You've made this your life, it's eating away at you.
Not true

Blogs and Forums have clearly eaten away at Mainstream News influence other than Fox News which owns the words "Fair and Balanced" so I don't get the thread.

Is someone actually asking for P&N to be the official Forum of Fox News??? 😕
 
No offense to all the threadcrappers but isn't this supposed to be between Conjur and the Mods?
I mean, this is turning into a political discussion with people that don't agree with conjur showing up to insult him. Isn't it up to the mods to decide if what he says is true?
 
Originally posted by: Forsythe
No offense to all the threadcrappers but isn't this supposed to be between Conjur and the Mods?
I mean, this is turning into a political discussion with people that don't agree with conjur showing up to insult him. Isn't it up to the mods to decide if what he says is true?

Then why are you also crapping on the thread?
 
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