Is DRM really that bad?

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Most let you use it on multiple computers and devices. they also let you copy it to cd. The only problem I see is the apple vs. rest argument cause it would be a pain to switch camps. But otherwise, whats really wrong with DRM? Without it, I think it just makes piracy easier

DRM has nothing to do with piracy. It all about control.

Topic Title: Is DRM really that bad?

Exactly.

You hand over 100% full control of your PC to the Corporations.

Communism plain and simple

Except communism wouldn't strive to benefit the corporations at the detriment of the people. this is better defined as corporatism.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: Vegitto
I don't even get why they're doing this.. If you can see it or hear it, you can copy it. Take DRM'ed music, for example. Just record from your line-out, play it, save the file, trim the edges off (they won't have music), save it again and you've got yourself a DRM-free file. And it takes like, the length of the song+1 minute.

See "HDCP". They want to eliminate the "Analog hole"

It will be cracked. It always is.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
Most let you use it on multiple computers and devices. they also let you copy it to cd. The only problem I see is the apple vs. rest argument cause it would be a pain to switch camps. But otherwise, whats really wrong with DRM? Without it, I think it just makes piracy easier

DRM has nothing to do with piracy. It all about control.

Topic Title: Is DRM really that bad?

Exactly.

You hand over 100% full control of your PC to the Corporations.

Communism plain and simple

Don't feed the troll.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
It's not that bad if companies do it RIGHT.

Think about Rhapsody and iTunes. You can authorize and deauthorize computers.

The thing is if you do things legally, does it matter in the end? Nope, but of course everyone here is just moaning and groaning about how they can't pirate, but they try to root the problem in DRM itself so they don't sound guilty.

Does it matter?

Just ask the people who paid for Divx players when DVDs were still new. They paid $100 premium for the privledge, they paid $5 for the "rental", and $20 for the permenant ability to view that disk in _THAT ONE_ player. Divx went down the can, and with it, so did the people's ability to view the media that they paid for.

 

[tw1164]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage

Originally posted by: sniperruff
my bet is, 90% or more of people here pirate, one way or another... software, music, games, TV shows... whatever. so DRM is bad.

personally i don't see the point of arguing whether it's good or bad. the record company (or software publisher) makes the products, so they have every right to put whatever crap they want on them. we as the consumer, can choose not to buy them if we want.

I for one don't pirate and purchase all of my music. I don't like the idea of being limited on how I can listen to my music. For example, if I buy an ipod I can't listen to WMA's. If I buy a Creative Labs player I can't use itunes. This is why I only buy actual CD's in the store.
DRM FTL!!!

Your example is only deals file formats, not DRM. If you were to buy a CD and make WMA files from it you still couldn't use it on your Ipod.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Shadowknight

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Shadowknight
They've used a form of DRM on the hi-def version of T2 - the DVD of T2 had the normal res as the "main" movie, but to see the high-def version you had to install some proprietary software and get a license that would only last 90 days or so. (note: this was on a copy I got 3 years ago, not the special equipment hi-def stuff they're selling now) I legally obtained my copy, but I refused to go through this crap for something that I PAID for, so I haven't seen the hi-def version. I'll have to see if someone came up with a crack for this someday. Why? I don't like having people tell me what I can and can't do with something I paid for in my own apartment.

1. they came up with a crack for it a LONG time ago.

2. the "priprietary software was just windows media player 10 and a license....

3. the whole limited viewing time thing was total BS though:|

<---his fvking 'BMW Films' DVD expired:|

1. I shouldn't have to find a crack in the first place.

2. I refuse to use anything other than mediaplacer classic, due to later generations of Media Player having spyware built into - (same thing with going past SP2 on Windows, but there was a piece of software that required going to SP4, so *sigh* here I am)

3. Definetly.

What is in SP4 in Windows 2000 that I should know about?

 

[Staples]

I don't care about iTunes DRM. It does not hurt me as long as I stick with an iPod. And it is not like iPods are vastly inferrior or anything like many Apple haters would have you believe.

Anyway, pirates really hate even this subtle DRM. I always get a laugh out of it just like I do when people here try to justify their stealing of music.

I bought some gift cards to Napster 2 and their DRM is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. You can only play the music on the computer you downloaded them on. If you reinstall Windows, you have to redownload the music. You only get to download it three times. It is the dumbest DRM ever. But MSN Music and Apple have DRM that is fine. If anything, I wish you could play it on all portable devices but other then that, I don't mind the DRM.

 

[Golgatha]

Yes. It encourages piracy by honest folks and hasn't yet effectively stopped the pirates from getting their warez. DRM only benefits the producer and never the consumer. Also, it slows down and/or severely limits what hardware comes to market due to hardware manufacturer's worrying about little things like the DMCA, etc.

 

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: DLeRium
It's not that bad if companies do it RIGHT.

Think about Rhapsody and iTunes. You can authorize and deauthorize computers.

The thing is if you do things legally, does it matter in the end? Nope, but of course everyone here is just moaning and groaning about how they can't pirate, but they try to root the problem in DRM itself so they don't sound guilty.

Does it matter?

Just ask the people who paid for Divx players when DVDs were still new. They paid $100 premium for the privledge, they paid $5 for the "rental", and $20 for the permenant ability to view that disk in _THAT ONE_ player. Divx went down the can, and with it, so did the people's ability to view the media that they paid for.

Yet another bad thing about DRM. Think about how many pissed off people there would be if Valve went backrupt, shut down the Steam servers, and your library of Source based games went down the pooper overnight. It could happen.

I personally think there should be a clause in the DMCA or a separate piece of legislation which forces bankrupt enterprises to provide a de-DRM tool in the wake of there demise. There should be a fund set aside for development of these tools, which the company can't touch.

 

[KMFJD]

If i where to have bought an LP back in the 70's and still have it, would my downloading of that same album in mp3 format be considered pirating?

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: KMFJD
If i where to have bought an LP back in the 70's and still have it, would my downloading of that same album in mp3 format be considered pirating?

According to the RIAA, yes.

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: KMFJD
If i where to have bought an LP back in the 70's and still have it, would my downloading of that same album in mp3 format be considered pirating?

According to the RIAA, yes.

Exactly, how many times do We have to buy the same music. I'd bet that if they sold the stuff cheap like 20 cents a download, they would make it up in volume.

 

[mattpegher]

Edit - I meant the old stuff. Hell I bet the artists sold off their rights decades ago.