didnt the movie and TV industries fight VCRs tooth and nail when they came out?
what if the rip included the ads. since that is the source of their revenue?
why should they care, then?
i can maybe see a point where the ads are cut out, but my VCR will fast forward through them on a recording.
so, that's sort of a moot point, though.
what if the rip included the ads. since that is the source of their revenue?
why should they care, then?
i can maybe see a point where the ads are cut out, but my VCR will fast forward through them on a recording.
so, that's sort of a moot point, though.
silverpig
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Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Well, the cable/movie companies don't like them much AFAIK. I think that as of now, using Tivo or PVRs falls under fair use. Copyright law in most countries is woefully inadequate for the information age and is having to be interpreted in ways that were never thought of when the laws were drafted.Originally posted by: hevnsnt
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
It's no less illegal than downloading a song you missed on the radio
That was kinda where I was going with it...
As far as VCR/TIVO goes.. How are those not illegal?
Why would the cable companies care? They get their $40 a month regardless of if you VCR your shows or just watch them. It would be the advertisers and thus the networks they pay for advertising who would be pissed off as they are the ones missing out.
Not a single person versed in either domestic or international law has posted, yet folks are assuming it is illegal.
I am not so sure.
I would not be a bit surprised if it were perfectly legal to download Top Gear.
I am not so sure.
I would not be a bit surprised if it were perfectly legal to download Top Gear.
3chordcharlie
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I'd like to think that, because logically and morally it's hard to see anything wrong with downloading a show that isn't even available in your market, and probably never will be. But I think it would fall under the same rules as 'abandon-ware'. Just because a copyright holder is not marketing something doesn't mean it gives up the exclusive right to do so. Remember all the SNES emulators a few years ago, and the claims that 'no one is using the software anyway'? I'll even admit to downloading most of the games I owned (legal, and my NES and SNES were no longer functoning), and some I didn't (illegal) under the mistaken impression that they would never be available again, and that my actions were therefore defensible since I wasn't creating any financial damage against Nintendo. You can buy many of those games for the game boy now (my brother has now bought about a dozen old games, re-released on the game boy). Nintendo proved by example that old, obsolete software may still have a marketable value, and the abandon-ware argument simply doesn't work. Now we know why Nintendo was particularly vigilant in going after ROM sites; they had plans.
Hollywood times releases in various countries to try to maximize worldwide revenue. 'Releasing' movies in these markets before the theatrical release is just as illegal as in the markets where the movie is already available through normal channels.
Disney sells animated movies for a short time and then puts them 'back in the vault' to avoid truly flooding the market. They still have copyright, and it's still illegal to copy the movie and distribute it, even if Disney isn't doing so. That's why 'Disney Classics' frequently run about $40 for a DVD in Canada; they are made available infrequently, and in limited supply. It's monopolistic behaviour, but copyright rules are designed to create monopolies for creative works; I think the law is pretty clear on that.
Gunslinger08
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chibchakan
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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: hevnsnt
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
It's no less illegal than downloading a song you missed on the radio
That was kinda where I was going with it...
As far as VCR/TIVO goes.. How are those not illegal?
VCR/TIVO are not illegal due to this ruling. Of course the entertainment industry has been pouting ever since and seem to be on the verge of getting their revenge with this piece of excrement.
Greedy basturds :thumbsdown::|
I thought that copyright means only that you can't say that you made it. I thought its legal to download a tv show just as long as you dont sell it (or maybe include the credits - lol).
yukichigai
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It's a gray area really. If there was a means by which you could have gotten that episode, at that quality, then it's not as potentially illegal as downloading something you couldn't possibly have watched.
Example: my parents have the uber-deathy-deluxe package from DirecTV. They used to record Stargate SG1, Dead Like Me, etc. every week and give me the tape. That was until I found I could download the eps via Bittorrent. They no longer record the eps, (at least not for me) and I download them instead.
Is what I'm doing illegal? Hasn't been decided yet. The MPAA would like to make it so, but they also wanted to illegalize VCRs for the consumer public. They may send out C&D orders, etc. but there's no precedent(sp?) that says you'll go to court and lose.
It's in the same boat as downloading rips of albums you own. Many "consumer advocate" sites will tell you it's illegal, but it really hasn't been decided. Those sites are either erring on the side of caution or spreading MPAA/RIAA propaganda(sp?).
Example: my parents have the uber-deathy-deluxe package from DirecTV. They used to record Stargate SG1, Dead Like Me, etc. every week and give me the tape. That was until I found I could download the eps via Bittorrent. They no longer record the eps, (at least not for me) and I download them instead.
Is what I'm doing illegal? Hasn't been decided yet. The MPAA would like to make it so, but they also wanted to illegalize VCRs for the consumer public. They may send out C&D orders, etc. but there's no precedent(sp?) that says you'll go to court and lose.
It's in the same boat as downloading rips of albums you own. Many "consumer advocate" sites will tell you it's illegal, but it really hasn't been decided. Those sites are either erring on the side of caution or spreading MPAA/RIAA propaganda(sp?).
it's not illegal to download songs in cananda.. so i guess it's not illegal to download tv shows... or movies??????
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
It's no less illegal than downloading a song you missed on the radio
Or a movie you missed in the theater.
Demon-Xanth
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Recording it for your own use is legal, though many broadcasts (especially sporting events) state that rebroadcast and/or distribution are illegal.
yukichigai
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Hrm, note to self, buy HDTV tuner card ASAMFP.Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: hevnsnt
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
It's no less illegal than downloading a song you missed on the radio
That was kinda where I was going with it...
As far as VCR/TIVO goes.. How are those not illegal?
VCR/TIVO are not illegal due to this ruling. Of course the entertainment industry has been pouting ever since and seem to be on the verge of getting their revenge with this piece of excrement.
EDIT: "buy", not "build".
Linflas
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Originally posted by: yukichigai
Hrm, note to self, built HDTV tuner card ASAMFP.Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: hevnsnt
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
It's no less illegal than downloading a song you missed on the radio
That was kinda where I was going with it...
As far as VCR/TIVO goes.. How are those not illegal?
VCR/TIVO are not illegal due to this ruling. Of course the entertainment industry has been pouting ever since and seem to be on the verge of getting their revenge with this piece of excrement.
Me too. It looks like they are going to get this done with minimal publicity. Kind of sucks when the media that is supposed to report on stuff like this is largely owned by the same companies that are pushing for it.
ZOXXO
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In other news related to the Betamax case.
The honorable Orrin Hatch has introduced this bill to the US Senate.
More info and instructions on contacting your congressional representatives here.
The honorable Orrin Hatch has introduced this bill to the US Senate.
More info and instructions on contacting your congressional representatives here.
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