Is Cathlocism Worse Than Islam?

[realibrad]

Crusades. Only one in twenty Crusaders made it to Jerusalem alive.

I'm just confused as to your point though. Are you just giving me details on the Crusades but not adding anything to the discussion?

 

[sdifox]

I'm just confused as to your point though. Are you just giving me details on the Crusades but not adding anything to the discussion?

Just context. You wanted to quantify it as no religious. I consider it divine intervetion.

 

[greatnoob]

We don't need false pretenses on the subject. I'll wait to "normalize" Islam when a Muslim majority country fully embraces human rights. Wasn't Turkey the world's best hope for that? RIP.

When it comes to Trump and his bandwagon you and a few other idiots here dash straight into the “both sides” BS rhetoric. Then when the topic changes to Christian pedos, suddenly you’re all cured from bothsideitis and now Kevin Spacey, crusades from a thousand years ago and ISIS (a terrorist organisation) are your baseline for the whataboutism we’ve seen so far in this thread. Pretty low bar, but I have to admit I love seeing this dramatic change of your beloved logical fallacy.

Let’s not forget though, you’ve all defended pedophilia with your whataboutism and I think you imbeciles are incredibly sick to go off on completely unrelated tangents about wars started in 1400AD, third world countries and fired actors, rather than acknowledging that at current, in the first world and in your own country, Christian priests are raping children and getting away with it.

 

[Younigue]

When it comes to Trump and his bandwagon you and a few other idiots here dash straight into the “both sides” BS rhetoric. Then when the topic changes to Christian pedos, suddenly you’re all cured from bothsideitis and now Kevin Spacey, crusades from a thousand years ago and ISIS (a terrorist organisation) are your baseline for the whataboutism we’ve seen so far in this thread. Pretty low bar, but I have to admit I love seeing this dramatic change of your beloved logical fallacy.

Let’s not forget though, you’ve all defended pedophilia with your whataboutism and I think you imbeciles are incredibly sick to go off on completely unrelated tangents about wars started in 1400AD, third world countries and fired actors, rather than acknowledging that at current, in the first world and in your own country, Christian priests are raping children and getting away with it.

Here! Here! Well said!

 

[Starbuck1975]

I wasn’t being political. My posts are the most honest about the situation of the bunch.

Which is why I engaged you and not the others.

What you perceive as honesty I attribute to a lack of perspective.

When I deployed to the Balkans, we protected ethnic minority Muslims from Christians, Christians that did some pretty horrific things.

Yet fast forward a few years to Afghanistan, and coalition forces had to look the other way at the widespread sexual abuse that was culturally accepted by “the good guys” we were helping to fight the arguably worst Taliban. Many of the warlords and tribal elders had an affinity for young boys.

And up until recently, ISIS exhibited pure inexcusable evil, such as beheading journalists on social media, not to mention widespread abuse of women and young girls.

Christians have done some pretty horrific things, and the contemporary Christian right is completely out of alignment with what Jesus taught.

The Christian church poorly handled its sex abuse problems, left many victims in its wake and rightfully faced criticism for it. Your outrage over this relative to the broader topic, and your lack of consistency, is myopic and born more of your anger towards the Christian red state political right.

Are Christians capable of evil. Absolutely. But then again, so are you for that matter.

 

[Starbuck1975]

...rather than acknowledging that at current, in the first world and in your own country, Christian priests are raping children and getting away with it.

That’s been acknowledged several times over, and no one is excusing or even justifying it. But last I checked, in our country, those priests were rightfully exposed and brought to justice.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I forgive you

Oh, why thank you...I haven't given you the need to, but the self-righteously pious faux religious word play is fun.

 

[UberNeuman]

Oh, why thank you...I haven't given you the need to, but the self-righteously pious faux religious word play is fun.

Give him credit. He hasn't blamed Hillary or Obama.


yet.

 

[greatnoob]

That’s been acknowledged several times over, and no one is excusing or even justifying it. But last I checked, in our country, those priests were rightfully exposed and brought to justice.

Your post above shows exactly the stupidity I explained. In fact your whataboutism went as far as to call another user a theoretical pedo:

Are Christians capable of evil. Absolutely. But then again, so are you for that matter.

Way to miss the point, you absolutely reprehensible sack of shit.

 

[Amused]

We don't need false pretenses on the subject. I'll wait to "normalize" Islam when a Muslim majority country fully embraces human rights. Wasn't Turkey the world's best hope for that? RIP.

Sigh...

Both the UAE and Qatar rank higher in human rights scores than the current US score:

https://ourworldindata.org/human-rights

Meanwhile, back to facts: In their history, Christianity and Islam have been equally brutal... and continue to be so.

To say one is "worse" than the other displays an ignorance of history and a bias.

 

[Younigue]

Sigh...

Both the UAE and Qatar rank higher in human rights scores than the current US score:

https://ourworldindata.org/human-rights

Meanwhile, back to facts: In their history, Christianity and Islam have been equally brutal... and continue to be so.

To say one is "worse" than the other displays an ignorance of history and a bias.

Amen & the Islamic equivalent!

They both suck and in equal measure.

 

[Victorian Gray]

That’s been acknowledged several times over, and no one is excusing or even justifying it. But last I checked, in our country, those priests were rightfully exposed and brought to justice.

Not many and not often and when they are it tends to be after decades of coverup.

 

[Phenzyn]

Sure, Christianity and Islam have both committed atrocities in the past and a historical per view of both might put them on equal footing. But as it stands today?

Amen & the Islamic equivalent!

They both suck and in equal measure.

Islam is so obviously worse, and it shocks me to see that a woman can believe they are equal.

All organized religion commit reprehensible acts for sure, Catholicism included, but lets not mince words here.

I'd much rather be sexually assaulted as a child then be stoned to death or beheaded for simply being a woman. And if you survive, be sold for sheep to the highest bidder. To do nothing but worship at the feet of men and produce children.

Countries where Islam is in control means that as a woman you have almost no rights, there are countless example of this and its not even close to the rights you have in "Christian" countries.

This isn't even a close race. All organized religion should be curbed in the modern age. What the catholic church does is terrible, and the fact that they get away with it is very disheartening. But this is like comparing gun control as a slippery slope, to what is next "knife control." With guns being Islam and knives being Christianity. Sure, in the UK there are lots of knifing's now but they lead to death or murder less often because of their strict gun control.

Also, I couldn't get great numbers out of that site but it doesn't matter - saying the UAE is better than the US in human rights is laughable. The very, very, super rich control that country and they're all men. Its basically the same as an oligarchy. And I'm sure they can fudge the numbers to look however they want them to look. Women are auctioned off nightly in that country and I have irrefutable proof of it happening that I will not go into here. Woman are objects there for the super rich and are literally auctioned off for sex, if for an hour, a night, or even permanent sex slaves.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Oh, why thank you...I haven't given you the need to, but the self-righteously pious faux religious word play is fun.

I entered into this thread with a Monty Python reference, which tells you everything you need to know about my feelings towards religion. The religious word play is fun, but I was pointing out the self-righteous faux politically tinged outrage and pathetic excuse for comparative analysis by the usual water boys.

I was forgiving you for throwing in with them when you are smart enough to know I wasn’t defending Christianity.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Your post above shows exactly the stupidity I explained. In fact your whataboutism went as far as to call another user a theoretical pedo:

Way to miss the point, you absolutely reprehensible sack of shit.

LOL

 

[Younigue]

Sure, Christianity and Islam have both committed atrocities in the past and a historical per view of both might put them on equal footing. But as it stands today?


Islam is so obviously worse, and it shocks me to see that a woman can believe they are equal.

All organized religion commit reprehensible acts for sure, Catholicism included, but lets not mince words here.

I'd much rather be sexually assaulted as a child then be stoned to death or beheaded for simply being a woman. And if you survive, be sold for sheep to the highest bidder. To do nothing but worship at the feet of men and produce children.

Countries where Islam is in control means that as a woman you have almost no rights, there are countless example of this and its not even close to the rights you have in "Christian" countries.

This isn't even a close race. All organized religion should be curbed in the modern age. What the catholic church does is terrible, and the fact that they get away with it is very disheartening. But this is like comparing gun control as a slippery slope, to what is next "knife control." With guns being Islam and knives being Christianity. Sure, in the UK there are lots of knifing's now but they lead to death or murder less often because of their strict gun control.

Also, I couldn't get great numbers out of that site but it doesn't matter - saying the UAE is better than the US in human rights is laughable. The very, very, super rich control that country and they're all men. Its basically the same as an oligarchy. And I'm sure they can fudge the numbers to look however they want them to look. Women are auctioned off nightly in that country and I have irrefutable proof of it happening that I will not go into here. Woman are objects there for the super rich and are literally auctioned off for sex, if for an hour, a night, or even permanent sex slaves.

I would rather not be raped as a child or considered a worthless human used for sex. I understand and agree with you to an extent. In truth I put religion after human behavior. I loath that religion is used as an excuse or justification for depravity but the humans perpetrating these heinous acts are garbage people regardless of religion, race, politics. Because I personally choose to put human behavior before what a creepy amount of them zealously use to allow themselves evil acts I judge all religion as horrible. I'm not interested in choosing one to hate more than another one. That does not suggest I think the cruelty deserves more or less of my ire. I hate it all.

 

[Younigue]

Sure, Christianity and Islam have both committed atrocities in the past and a historical per view of both might put them on equal footing. But as it stands today?


Islam is so obviously worse, and it shocks me to see that a woman can believe they are equal.

All organized religion commit reprehensible acts for sure, Catholicism included, but lets not mince words here.

I'd much rather be sexually assaulted as a child then be stoned to death or beheaded for simply being a woman. And if you survive, be sold for sheep to the highest bidder. To do nothing but worship at the feet of men and produce children.

Countries where Islam is in control means that as a woman you have almost no rights, there are countless example of this and its not even close to the rights you have in "Christian" countries.

This isn't even a close race. All organized religion should be curbed in the modern age. What the catholic church does is terrible, and the fact that they get away with it is very disheartening. But this is like comparing gun control as a slippery slope, to what is next "knife control." With guns being Islam and knives being Christianity. Sure, in the UK there are lots of knifing's now but they lead to death or murder less often because of their strict gun control.

Also, I couldn't get great numbers out of that site but it doesn't matter - saying the UAE is better than the US in human rights is laughable. The very, very, super rich control that country and they're all men. Its basically the same as an oligarchy. And I'm sure they can fudge the numbers to look however they want them to look. Women are auctioned off nightly in that country and I have irrefutable proof of it happening that I will not go into here. Woman are objects there for the super rich and are literally auctioned off for sex, if for an hour, a night, or even permanent sex slaves.

Also, I'm a humanist not specifically a feminist. I don't put any human suffering above anyone else's. It's all horrendous.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Not many and not often and when they are it tends to be after decades of coverup.

Fair point. There was a lot of denial, cover ups, lies and deceit, and the Catholic church lost a tremendous amount of credibility in its handling of it, and even now, there is no assurance that they’ve fully addressed the problem.

Now compare and contrast that to the refugee camps in Syria that currently contain hundreds if not thousands of teenage girls pregnant with the babies of ISIS fighters, refugees that no Islamic or Western nation will take out of fear that these young women were not only raped but also radicalized.

 

[Phenzyn]

I would rather not be raped as a child or considered a worthless human used for sex. I understand and agree with you to an extent. In truth I put religion after human behavior. I loath that religion is used as an excuse or justification for depravity but the humans perpetrating these heinous acts are garbage people regardless of religion, race, politics. Because I personally choose to put human behavior before what a creepy amount of them zealously use to allow themselves evil acts I judge all religion as horrible. I'm not interested in choosing one to hate more than another one. That does not suggest I think the cruelty deserves more or less of my ire. I hate it all.

Of course not, if you could choose you wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you. As a bisexual woman though, who only liked other girls before my 20's, and my strong personality - I honestly don't believe that I would be alive if I had lived in an Islamic country.To be a woman is bad enough but to have been caught with other girls? That could have been a death sentence.

True, there is no way to know if I simply would have "conformed" and - nature vs nurture, etc.

But lets be honest. If you HAD to choose, you wouldn't choose a quick fondling by a priest over death? Over not having any rights for the rest of your life? If you are a catholic child, at least you can leave the church and leave that behind as an adult. You might need therapy to live a normal life but you should still have every freedom to live that normal life.

As a woman in most islamic countries, the only way out is out of that country. And with the fascist's gaining a lot of ground in Europe and the US, the way out is harder then ever. You will most likely never be free, and in fact you might welcome death as the better alternative.

Also, I'm a humanist not specifically a feminist. I don't put any human suffering above anyone else's. It's all horrendous.

I do not propose what I said as a feminist, either. I am absolutely a humanist before feminist. Please don't think I am a radical feminist.

I think there are little girls being raped by the catholic church too. Fewer because of "alter boys" being more readily available. But these disgusting human beings don't care who they molest, male or female. Just like in prison they choose what is readily available. And don't get me wrong, they are vial human beings. But they are only in power at the church level. Not a catholic? Don't have to worry about them.

In an islamic country its different because the powers that be for the church are the same powers that be for the government. There is no "freedom" in those countries, certainly not freedom of religion.

Sure you can argue that the Christians control everything in the US and with Trump "acting" Christian this is partially true, but its still very, very different.

EDIT: And to add - I hate all religion too, but religion isn't just a religion in Islamic countries. Its life! It's the government. It's all there is.

I can hate all religion too, and see that Islam is far worse. You don't have to "like" Christianity to see that you are better off in a Christian nation, as a woman or simply as a human being. You only have that right to say you hate all religion because you live in a western "Christian" nation. You are caught saying you hate Islam in some of those countries and you are not here talking to me right now.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Fair point. There was a lot of denial, cover ups, lies and deceit, and the Catholic church lost a tremendous amount of credibility in its handling of it, and even now, there is no assurance that they’ve fully addressed the problem.

We know damn well, with evidence provided on an almost daily basis, that the Catholic Church has done virtually nothing to address the problem.

Now compare and contrast that to the refugee camps in Syria that currently contain hundreds if not thousands of teenage girls pregnant with the babies of ISIS fighters, refugees that no Islamic or Western nation will take out of fear that these young women were not only raped but also radicalized.

And just why is it that I need to compare and contrast between two completely different situations that have nothing to do with one another? Are you actually trying to play the game that Islam is a "worse" religion than Christianity? If that's the case, more fool you for doing so.

 

[Younigue]

Of course not, if you could choose you wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you. As a bisexual woman though, who only liked other girls before my 20's, and my strong personality - I honestly don't believe that I would be alive if I had lived in an Islamic country.To be a woman is bad enough but to have been caught with other girls? That could have been a death sentence.

True, there is no way to know if I simply would have "conformed" and - nature vs nurture, etc.

But lets be honest. If you HAD to choose, you wouldn't choose a quick fondling by a priest over death? Over not having any rights for the rest of your life? If you are a catholic child, at least you can leave the church and leave that behind as an adult. You might need therapy to live a normal life but you should still have every freedom to live that normal life.

As a woman in most islamic countries, the only way out is out of that country. And with the fascist's gaining a lot of ground in Europe and the US, the way out is harder then ever. You will most likely never be free, and in fact you might welcome death as the better alternative.



I do not propose what I said as a feminist, either. I am absolutely a humanist before feminist. Please don't think I am a radical feminist.

I think there are little girls being raped by the catholic church too. Fewer because of "alter boys" being more readily available. But these disgusting human beings don't care who they molest, male or female. Just like in prison they choose what is readily available. And don't get me wrong, they are vial human beings. But they are only in power at the church level. Not a catholic? Don't have to worry about them.

In an islamic country its different because the powers that be for the church are the same powers that be for the government. There is no "freedom" in those countries, certainly not freedom of religion.

Sure you can argue that the Christians control everything in the US and with Trump "acting" Christian this is partially true, but its still very, very different.

EDIT: And to add - I hate all religion too, but religion isn't just a religion in Islamic countries. Its life! It's the government. It's all there is.

I can hate all religion too, and see that Islam is far worse. You don't have to "like" Christianity to see that you are better off in a Christian nation, as a woman or simply as a human being. You only have that right to say you hate all religion because you live in a western "Christian" nation. You are caught saying you hate Islam in some of those countries and you are not here talking to me right now.

I didn't mean to imply that I think you are a radical feminist.

That's just it, I don't have to choose. I have the freedom to hate the acts and the perpetrators rather than the religion. I despise organized religion. I think it's an almost perfect design to breed secrets, depravity, greed, ugliness, superiority, unresolved or inadequately resolved guilt.

Are there more humans committing "acceptable" atrocities upon women specifically in predominantly Islamic countries to hate than their are Catholic priests raping children? Yes. Those sick fu*ks are human before they are religious no matter how much they'd like to believe differently. It is within them that permits such evil acts.

So no, I won't choose a religion to hate more. Religion is a crutch and a disease but it can not make a human hurt another human being. That's on the person who allows themselves to do such evil things.

 

[Indus]

There have been more people killed in the name of religion than anything else.

 

[whm1974]

There have been more people killed in the name of religion than anything else.

Well there is ideology, which I considered to be just as bad as religion.

 

[Younigue]

Of course not, if you could choose you wouldn't want anything bad to happen to you. As a bisexual woman though, who only liked other girls before my 20's, and my strong personality - I honestly don't believe that I would be alive if I had lived in an Islamic country.To be a woman is bad enough but to have been caught with other girls? That could have been a death sentence.

True, there is no way to know if I simply would have "conformed" and - nature vs nurture, etc.

But lets be honest. If you HAD to choose, you wouldn't choose a quick fondling by a priest over death? Over not having any rights for the rest of your life? If you are a catholic child, at least you can leave the church and leave that behind as an adult. You might need therapy to live a normal life but you should still have every freedom to live that normal life.

As a woman in most islamic countries, the only way out is out of that country. And with the fascist's gaining a lot of ground in Europe and the US, the way out is harder then ever. You will most likely never be free, and in fact you might welcome death as the better alternative.



I do not propose what I said as a feminist, either. I am absolutely a humanist before feminist. Please don't think I am a radical feminist.

I think there are little girls being raped by the catholic church too. Fewer because of "alter boys" being more readily available. But these disgusting human beings don't care who they molest, male or female. Just like in prison they choose what is readily available. And don't get me wrong, they are vial human beings. But they are only in power at the church level. Not a catholic? Don't have to worry about them.

In an islamic country its different because the powers that be for the church are the same powers that be for the government. There is no "freedom" in those countries, certainly not freedom of religion.

Sure you can argue that the Christians control everything in the US and with Trump "acting" Christian this is partially true, but its still very, very different.

EDIT: And to add - I hate all religion too, but religion isn't just a religion in Islamic countries. Its life! It's the government. It's all there is.

I can hate all religion too, and see that Islam is far worse. You don't have to "like" Christianity to see that you are better off in a Christian nation, as a woman or simply as a human being. You only have that right to say you hate all religion because you live in a western "Christian" nation. You are caught saying you hate Islam in some of those countries and you are not here talking to me right now.

Oh and I doubt I would have survived these 47 years in a country where women are treated so horrendously but I can't know that. I've been a spit fire my entire life. Jokes were that I was the boss in the womb with my (twin) brother.

 

[greatnoob]

LOL

Unsurprising response considering you've set the bar pretty low for pedophile priests, that you have to reach at ISIS to make a comparison, LOL indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if you started raving about pizzagate and Hillary and that these Christian pedophiles are somehow the doing of Democrats. Still no condemnation from you, just whataboutism. Not surprised at all.