Is Bush funding Nader?
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Good lord, I am watching Chris Mathews grill this tard Nader on Hardball, and any jerk in here who thinks this idiot should get your vote for president, declare yourself so I can put you in the braindead column.
What confuses me is Ralfie saying he wants to make a change. Well does he enjoy the change he made in the 2000 elections?
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Your statement about "the change he made in the 2000 election" probably gives him more power than he had. We'll never know. I've never seen an analysis of the transition states. California was so overwhelmingly Democratic that any vote for him in CA didn't affect the electoral outcome.
Ok, skipping your credit where it wasn't due. As Nader said, where do disaffected Republicans go? They can't go to Democrats. I happen to be more left than Democrats. Kerry is Bush Lite. Where do I go.
And, if I may use the term "Dumbo" without offending you) Listen Dumbo if Nader could be bought, the Democrats would have bought him. I infer that you're young and don't have any idea of Nader's history or what his personal life is like. He might be impractical, but he cannot be bought by anything the major parties can raise.
Ok, skipping your credit where it wasn't due. As Nader said, where do disaffected Republicans go? They can't go to Democrats. I happen to be more left than Democrats. Kerry is Bush Lite. Where do I go.
And, if I may use the term "Dumbo" without offending you) Listen Dumbo if Nader could be bought, the Democrats would have bought him. I infer that you're young and don't have any idea of Nader's history or what his personal life is like. He might be impractical, but he cannot be bought by anything the major parties can raise.
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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Good lord, I am watching Chris Mathews grill this tard Nader on Hardball, and any jerk in here who thinks this idiot should get your vote for president, declare yourself so I can put you in the braindead column.
i think i'm gonna vote for him.
not exactly a citizen of a battleground state
I doubt it.
Nader will be able to help the Democrats by criticizing Bush FAR more than any Democratic nominee would dare do.
Nader will be able to help the Democrats by criticizing Bush FAR more than any Democratic nominee would dare do.
Nader has to take SOME responsibility for electing GWB.
Nader received 97,000 votes in Florida. If even 1% of those voters voted for Gore instead of voting for Nader or staying home? Gore lost Florida by 570 votes. New Hampshire - 22,000 for Nader, Gore lost by 8,000 votes. Washington, Oregon Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan Nader had close to 80k to 100,000 in each state - you have to give Gore a couple of % points in his margins.
I hope Nader will be marginalized in everything he does in the future. He helped elect GWB. He knows it. If I meet him again, I will say that to his face. :frown:
Jesus Christ, Bush was never elected. The vote count was stopped. The Supreme Coup selected Bush. After the election was canceled, the votes were finally counted and Gore won. Please try to avoid buying into the illusion that Bush is the real President. The tremendous catastrophe of his false Presidency is God's punishment on the US for our rolling over and letting this happen.
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if anything the election should have been handed over to the house of representatives to decide. it would have been impossible for florida to get their votes in by the date mandated by law if they did a state wide recount using the same standard for counting in each county (which is the only recount worth talking about). at that point neither candidate would have had enough votes in the electoral college. if that happens then the decision is turned over to congress. who would have voted bush in anyway.
ChowderHead. I acknowledge what you say about the Florida vote for Nader. But, as with most complex phenomona, a whole set of things had to be in place before the Florida vote. For example, if Gore had won his home state. You're focusing on the last straw and ignoring the rest.
Personally, I'm 58 and I've grown tired of voting for the lesser of two evils so I won't "waste my vote." I don't want to hijack the thread but in some ways I think voting for pond scum like the Bush administration (not necessarily Bush as a person, he just sits on the ventriloquist's lap) will only hasten the day of real change.
Personally, I'm 58 and I've grown tired of voting for the lesser of two evils so I won't "waste my vote." I don't want to hijack the thread but in some ways I think voting for pond scum like the Bush administration (not necessarily Bush as a person, he just sits on the ventriloquist's lap) will only hasten the day of real change.
What, specifically, did you find disagreeable? The fact that we're a nation of consumers run by corporations?
Hell, I just might vote for him. He's the only one with the spine to speak the truth.
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What about all the other states that Gore had to "defend" because Nader siphoned off the so-called progressive liberal votes? I mentioned many of them in my earlier post. Gore's margin in winning those states would be bumped up at least 2% if Nader was not in the race. Remember Nader got close to 3 million votes. Gore got more than 500,000 more votes than GWB out of the more than 100 million votes cast.
You can ask the same thing about GWB. Why didn't he win his home of state of Connecticut? Gore should have won Tennessee but I submit his political attention was focused on defending other "blue" states.
I am not ignoring states like (in my Dean voice) Washington, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Oregon, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Mexico, New Hampshire, Iowa, etc, etc. where Nader made a huge difference in the margins of victory or defeat.
good! vote for a borrow and spend republican who got us into a unnecessary, costly and deadly war and who takes no personal responsibility for his words or his actions. This is a man who asked America to give him a chance even though he lacked foreign policy experience because he would be surrounded by able and seasoned advisors.
Well, those advisors really did a great job right? faulty intelligence and pissed-off allies later, I feel much safer because I got my $300 rebate from the federal gov't but also increased taxes and fees from state and local gov't.
You want to vote for Nader. Go right ahead, Ed Gillespie will personally drive you to the polls. To start, Nader cannot win, so you are voting for someone not to win but to make a statement. Make your statement. The Democrats aren't being true to their progressive ideals. Vote for Nader and possibly help elect GWB to another term. That is all a vote for Nader will accomplish.
Wouldn't moving left mean the Dem would lose moderate voters?
Furthermore, would a Kerry/Edwards move slightly to the left (e.g. EDWARDSnew - NADER < EDWARDSold - NADER) even change the minds of Nader voters? If the Nader supporters on this forum are any indication, those that are planning to vote for him agree with him on a few issues important to them, and will not vote for a Democrat candidate unless he adopts Nader's take on that issue (e.g. EDWARDSnew = NADER)
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