Is Bin Laden really dead or was it a hoax?

[cganesh75]

One of the questions that does seem a mystery is why bin Laden, who it seems would have heard the helicopters, even though they were the 'quiet' type, because the blogger neighbor heard them, and even if the Seals met no resistance or silently shot anyone on the way to the bedroom, was not armed.

u know, on msnbc they showed how people cultivate cabbage, marijuana on the other side of the wall.. i am sure he got some "legal goods" from hims own backyard..

or all the opium he get from afghanistan

 

[Craig234]

u know, on msnbc they showed how people cultivate cabbage, marijuana on the other side of the wall.. i am sure he got some "legal goods" from hims own backyard..

or all the opium he get from afghanistan

Fundamentalist Muslims - whether the radicals like bin Laden or not - don't use alcohol or tobacco, much less opiates or other drugs.

They condemn the west for its high usage.

(No pun intended)

 

[Craig234]

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Again, IMHO, a hair splitting debate, the question is how much advance warning OBL and his household had the raid was targeting their safehouse? If they had 5 or 10 minutes of advance warning, they could make a run for it on the street with a good chance of success,
but only the 30 second time warning or so when they heard the helicopters directly overhead
is well into not enough time to run for it territory.

And do the math, if a helicopter is flying at 180 MPH, they can cover about 1.5 miles in that 30 seconds.

I'm talking about grabbing a gun, not escaping the compound.

 

[Craig234]

Yeah, I have no idea. According to reports there were weapons nearby.

Maybe he chose not to fight, knowing he was pretty screwed or maybe he hoped to be captured. Yeah, he undoubtedly would have been interrogated harshly, but I wonder if he also saw a potential trial as a soapbox that he could preach from.

Pure speculation. Honestly, we'll never know. What we do know is that he's dead as a doornail.

Yes, there are a lot of things we don't know. He could have put his hands up to surrender and been shot, for all we know.

To digress, for years I've supported more cameras for police - at least on their dashboards, ideally on their uniform - to collect evidence what really happens.

This is to protect the truth - which is usually in the officer's favor, but a good thing to have either way.

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, there are a lot of things we don't know. He could have put his hands up to surrender and been shot, for all we know.

To digress, for years I've supported more cameras for police - at least on their dashboards, ideally on their uniform - to collect evidence what really happens.

This is to protect the truth - which is usually in the officer's favor, but a good thing to have either way.

I dunno- do we really want a helmet cam video of Osama down on his knees sucking the barrel of the team leader's .45 and his brains splattering against the wall?

Just sayin'...

Dunno if it's been posted, but this video is amusing-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOIy6QEbes

In yo' face, Righties!

 

[Craig234]

I dunno- do we really want a helmet cam video of Osama down on his knees sucking the barrel of the team leader's .45 and his brains splattering against the wall?

Just sayin'...

Dunno if it's been posted, but this video is amusing-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlOIy6QEbes

In yo' face, Righties!

It gets politically sensitive when it comes to troops - for reasons both good and bad.

There would be huge benefits to it in terms of supervisory review and being able to clear troops of wrongdoing - and to to identify wrongdoing and stop it; but it would also raise questions of effects on the troops, of the abuse of the recordings (sensationalizing them if they got into the public), etc.

There are horror stories about troops able to get away with murder, literally, casually shooting, in apparently very rare situations even staging scenes; the big controversy we had over the one incident of trials for troops killing a number of people could have easily had one side or the other proven right with that evidence.

War is shocking, and while it seems less controversial for such videos to be collected and used by the military, it gets more controversial if they go to the public.

Would families want to - and be allowed to - see a video of a loved one who is killed during the action, for one controversy that would happen?

But with police, I see a lot of benefit that outweighs any downside.

I've sat on a jury and watched as either a police officer or a witness is totally lying, and there's little way to tell which. They could also help ensure 'good behavior'.

I suspect they'd be used over 90% of the time to disprove lies by a defendant trying to say something that has to be disproven beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[piasabird]

Big story + no body + no pictures = Big lie.

 

[dank69]

Big story + body + pictures = Big lie.

:thumbsup:

 

[hal2kilo]

Big story + no body + no pictures = Big lie.

So I guess Al Queda is pissed off about Osama being dead for nothing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42928874/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/

 

[The Green Bean]

It's a shame that you weren't in the compound when it went down. :|

It's a shame you weren't in the twin towers when they went down.

 

[bfdd]

It's a shame you weren't in the twin towers when they went down.

It's a shame you weren't blown to shit by the bombs we dropped either.

 

[flexy]

So I guess Al Queda is pissed off about Osama being dead for nothing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42928874/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/

According to conspiracy theorists, AQ doesn't even exist...respective CIA + MI5 + Mossad == AQ. Go get your conspiracy theories right

Looking at it THAT way, no wonder they would "confirm" OBL's "death", and no surprise they would threaten...that's what people would expect, right?

Furthermore, don't you think it's a little,uhm, "odd" that we (the western world, doubters here on the forums etc..) NEED confirmation from AL-QUEDA...since we don't have any from our own gvt?

"Ahh...great! I just got proof that OBL is really dead...Al Queda told me!"

Little sad, isn't it?

 

[Muse]

He's dead, but he simply wasn't killed in this mission.

Duh, why would they go to all that trouble? The administration has better things to do than orchestrate one giant sham. Evidently you do not.

 

[Muse]

It's a shame you weren't in the twin towers when they went down.

I wonder if either of you know any shame.

 

[zinfamous]

It's a shame you weren't in the twin towers when they went down.

You are a human piece of shit

 

[Craig234]

You are a human piece of shit

So you say nothing to the first statement:

Originally Posted by dali71
It's a shame that you weren't in the compound when it went down.

But you say that to his response that's the same thing:

Originally Posted by The Green Bean View Post
It's a shame you weren't in the twin towers when they went down.

So your response is not based on any standards - just on which side you're on.

Funny, you seem to be proving a larger point than you realize.

 

[DominionSeraph]

And yet even this won't silence those who wish to hold on to a belief that they are smarter than everyone else and know the real truth.

Just once it would be nice to have one simply say "Clearly I was wrong."

NEVER!

Al Qaida was working for Obama all along! That's it! It's the Kenyan/secret Muslim connection!
I bet it was they who forged his birth certificate, too. Those patterns look Arabic to me!

Where was Obama on 9/11? See? HE'S NEVER COME OUT WITH AN ALIBI! He's never even tried denying placing thermite charges in the WTC.

 

[zinfamous]

So you say nothing to the first statement:



But you say that to his response that's the same thing:



So your response is not based on any standards - just on which side you're on.

Funny, you seem to be proving a larger point than you realize.

THey are both human pieces of shit.

:thumbsup:

thing is, GB says the same thing over and over. I take the first comment as a retort to his general history on ATOT--and has NOTHING to do with sides. it was directed at him specifically, because he is, indeed, a piece of shit.

grasp at straws, Craig, grasp at straws.

funny thing, I believe that you and I share very similar views of the world, but I think your self-appointed moral high road is a big pile of waste.

 

[Red Dawn]

Big story + no body + no pictures = Big lie.

Yeah I'd pick you for a Deather

Anyway here's proof, a picture of his funeral

 

[zinfamous]

lol

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yeah I'd pick you for a Deather

Anyway here's proof, a picture of his funeral

Looks legit to me :thumbsup:

 

[DominionSeraph]

Why don't they release the other sandal? Why the cover-up?

And that picture's 721x541. I'm still waiting for the long-form version.

 

[SandEagle]

jeez, you'd think the high tech SEALs would keep a tape measure with them

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20060734-503543.html

"However, the heavily-armed, electronically wired SEALs didn't come with a tape measure to get an accurate height reading. According to reports, a Navy SEAL of about 6-feet laid out next to bin Laden's corpse to gauge the Al Qaeda leader's height. The corpse was several inches taller"

 

[zinfamous]

jeez, you'd think the high tech SEALs would keep a tape measure with them

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20060734-503543.html

"However, the heavily-armed, electronically wired SEALs didn't come with a tape measure to get an accurate height reading. According to reports, a Navy SEAL of about 6-feet laid out next to bin Laden's corpse to gauge the Al Qaeda leader's height. The corpse was several inches taller"

yeah, waiting for that pic to show up. I wonder if the SEALs placed bin Laden's hand on another dead dude's ass and took a pic.

:hmm:

 

[DominionSeraph]

"However, the heavily-armed, electronically wired SEALs didn't come with a tape measure to get an accurate height reading. According to reports, a Navy SEAL of about 6-feet laid out next to bin Laden's corpse to gauge the Al Qaeda leader's height. The corpse was several inches taller"

Bin Laden wasn't 6'7"! Now we has PROOF that it's a gub'ment 'spiracy!