Is Bertuzzi's sentence strong enough?

[TheBoyBlunder]

You need a poll. Plus, I think it's a very fair setence. The league should have said something on monday night (like "What Todd Bertuzzi did is intolerable and we will take swift and appropriate action" or something), but this at least sends the message that such an idiotic action is not welcome in the nhl.

 

[bootymac]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Didn't deserve the sentence. Maybe a 3 game suspension and a smaller fine. This is BS.

Yeah, and they should've given him a trophy too

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I really think he should have been banned from playing in the NHL. Hockey is a physical game, but come on guys, that hit was totally illegal and unnecessary. If he had hurt someone with an extremely tough LEGAL check, then it would be a different story, but this was just horrendous and he should be banned for life.

Cheap shots are taken every hockey game. Do you plan on banning all of the offenders for life?

Why not issue them baseball bats to make the cheap shots better?

It's a sport not a bar full of angry drunks.

 

[LeStEr]

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Didn't deserve the sentence. Maybe a 3 game suspension and a smaller fine. This is BS.

I agree.

I agree as well.

 

[LeStEr]

Strange double post...oh well

 

[TheBoyBlunder]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Didn't deserve the sentence. Maybe a 3 game suspension and a smaller fine. This is BS.

Three games for fracturing a guy's neck, threatening his career, and initially his life. Yeah, that's a real fair sentence.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: fw3308
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I truly believe deep inside that he is very remorseful for what happened. I really feel bad for Steve Moore and more so for Todd Bertuzzi. Not that he will be out for the season and playoffs but that he now has to live with this stigma of what he did. This is different than the Mcsorely incident strictly due to the fact of how it happened and the fact that Bertuzzi still is a young guy with a lot of hockey left to play in his life. He certainly dug himself a hole that will not be easy to get out of. Best of luck to Steve Moore on his recovery and to Bertuzzi on dealing with this horrible lapse of judgement.

You feel worse for Todd Bertuzzi than Steve Moore? Are you serious?

Steve Moore is the one with a broken neck, a concussion, deep cuts in his face and a career that is in jeopardy.

Bertuzzi should be banned from hockey and jailed. I don't care how contrite he is.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: bootymac

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Didn't deserve the sentence. Maybe a 3 game suspension and a smaller fine. This is BS.

Yeah, and they should've given him a trophy too

Also they should have called off the playoffs this year and just given the Stanley Cup to Vancouver.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Didn't deserve the sentence. Maybe a 3 game suspension and a smaller fine. This is BS.

Three games for fracturing a guy's neck, threatening his career, and initially his life. Yeah, that's a real fair sentence.

Can someone explain to me how fighting became "part of the game"?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Bertuzzi should be out of hockey for as long as Steve Moore is out of hockey. If/when Moore returns, Bertuzzi could return, if Moore's career is over Bertuzzi's career is over. Let the punishment fit the crime.

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Didn't deserve the sentence. Maybe a 3 game suspension and a smaller fine. This is BS.

Three games for fracturing a guy's neck, threatening his career, and initially his life. Yeah, that's a real fair sentence.

Yeah, he was trying to to kill him...

How many times have you punched a guy in the back of the head with hockey gloves, while he's whering a helmet, trying to kill him? He wanted to punch him, not slam his face into the ice and break his neck. He didn't mean to do that much damage...

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Didn't deserve the sentence. Maybe a 3 game suspension and a smaller fine. This is BS.

Three games for fracturing a guy's neck, threatening his career, and initially his life. Yeah, that's a real fair sentence.

Yeah, he was trying to to kill him...

How many times have you punched a guy in the back of the head with hockey gloves, while he's whering a helmet, trying to kill him? He wanted to punch him, not slam his face into the ice and break his neck. He didn't mean to do that much damage...

So by that logic, if someone is driving drunk and runs over a pedestrian, we should only charge him with a DUI because he didn't mean to kill anyone?

Regardless of what he intended, he's still the only person responsible for breaking Moore's neck, and he has to be held accountable for it.

 

[xboxist]

I like this quote from the news article on ESPN.com -

"These comments are for Steve. I had no intention of hurting you."

Right. He might as well have said...

"I had no intention of hurting you. I wanted to punch you in the back the neck as hard as I could, and then drive your unconscious face into a sheet of ice. But I had no intention of hurting you."

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Bertuzzi should be out of hockey for as long as Steve Moore is out of hockey. If/when Moore returns, Bertuzzi could return, if Moore's career is over Bertuzzi's career is over. Let the punishment fit the crime.

Wrong. Although I agree Bertuzzi needs to be punished, I don't think it should be any more then what he already got. I believe Bertuzzi is truly sorry for what he did, and I know he would take it back and make things right again if he could.


You guys are all looking at this from a get a revenge point of view. I mean seriously guys, have you not ever made a mistake in your life? Mistakes happen, it was extremely bad judgement from Bertuzzi's part. And in all honesty, if the guy hadn't been injured there would have been no more then a major penalty, or at most a few games suspension. Bertuzzi and Moore got unlucky that the hit landed in just the right way to knock him out, and that he hit the ice in just the right way to break his neck. It was a freak accident that he got hurt as bad as he did.



I hope Bertuzzi goes to see Moore in the hospital, and lets him know how sorry he really was. And in a perfect world I could picture both of these guys back on the ice next season, meeting up for their first regular season game and shacking hands/embracing and letting the fans know and everyone else know all is well, and what happened is over and done with.


It was a lapse of judgement, of course Bertuzzi should be punished, but the guy shouldn't be put to death for making one mistake.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: xboxist
I like this quote from the news article on ESPN.com -

"These comments are for Steve. I had no intention of hurting you."

Right. He might as well have said...

"I had no intention of hurting you. I wanted to punch you in the back the neck as hard as I could, and then drive your unconscious face into a sheet of ice. But I had no intention of hurting you."

Right, you really know what Bertuzzi's intentions were. Im sure he wanted to start a fight, and rough the guy up bit, but there is no doubt in my mind he had no intentions to break the guys neck.


Come on, think about what you're saying here!

 

[Atlantean]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw
If this had occurred outside of the context of a hockey game, this would be a felony assault.

Yeah and if all the fights that occur in hockey had happened outside of the game they would be considered assult. Bertuzzi got what he deserves, and thats it, he does not deserve to get any harsher punishment than that though.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: xboxist
I like this quote from the news article on ESPN.com -

"These comments are for Steve. I had no intention of hurting you."

Right. He might as well have said...

"I had no intention of hurting you. I wanted to punch you in the back the neck as hard as I could, and then drive your unconscious face into a sheet of ice. But I had no intention of hurting you."

He's saying he didn't mean to knock him out and break his neck. He wanted to hurt him somewhat, but not hospitalize him.

 

[blackdogdeek]

for the people who think the suspension was too severe, what do you think the appropriate penalty should be if moore was:

a. paralyzed
b. killed

granted these are both extreme cases but i'm trying to determine where you think the line should be drawn, or if you think there should be a line at all.

even if bertuzzi had no intention of hurting moore, as he stated in his apology, he is still responsible for the results of his actions.

jayson williams had absolutely no intention of shooting his limo driver but he was doing something stupid, presumably, which directly caused the driver's death. that is why he is being held accountable.

the jayson williams example is also extreme, but i think it still illuminates the main point in this case.

 

[xboxist]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: xboxist
I like this quote from the news article on ESPN.com -

"These comments are for Steve. I had no intention of hurting you."

Right. He might as well have said...

"I had no intention of hurting you. I wanted to punch you in the back the neck as hard as I could, and then drive your unconscious face into a sheet of ice. But I had no intention of hurting you."

Right, you really know what Bertuzzi's intentions were. Im sure he wanted to start a fight, and rough the guy up bit, but there is no doubt in my mind he had no intentions to break the guys neck.


Come on, think about what you're saying here!

I'm just simplifying his absurd comment. "I had no intention of hurting you." When he intentionaly slugged the guy in the back of the neck. That's all. There are less extreme ways to start a fight. So I think it's fairly safe to say that at the time, he intended to destroy him.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: xboxist

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: xboxist
I like this quote from the news article on ESPN.com -

"These comments are for Steve. I had no intention of hurting you."

Right. He might as well have said...

"I had no intention of hurting you. I wanted to punch you in the back the neck as hard as I could, and then drive your unconscious face into a sheet of ice. But I had no intention of hurting you."

Right, you really know what Bertuzzi's intentions were. Im sure he wanted to start a fight, and rough the guy up bit, but there is no doubt in my mind he had no intentions to break the guys neck.


Come on, think about what you're saying here!

I'm just simplifying his absurd comment. "I had no intention of hurting you." When he intentionaly slugged the guy in the back of the neck. That's all. There are less extreme ways to start a fight. So I think it's fairly safe to say that at the time, he intended to destroy him.

Im pretty sure alot of the Canucks had already tried to start a fight with him, Moore wouldn't go for it. This was Bertuzzis was of starting one. Unfortunately it ended really quick cause Bertuzzi's a fricken jackhammer.

 

[ibintegra]

I think if you look at it this way the league is semi-responsible for letting this situation out of hand. I felt that the hit Moore took at Naslund wasn't too bad except he seemed to have stuck out his elbow a bit. Now there was no penality, nothing. Then league also didn't say that if anybody does more than talking and hurts Steve Moore your career is over. Instead they kept quiet and things got out of hand.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Balt

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Didn't deserve the sentence. Maybe a 3 game suspension and a smaller fine. This is BS.

Three games for fracturing a guy's neck, threatening his career, and initially his life. Yeah, that's a real fair sentence.

Yeah, he was trying to to kill him...

How many times have you punched a guy in the back of the head with hockey gloves, while he's whering a helmet, trying to kill him? He wanted to punch him, not slam his face into the ice and break his neck. He didn't mean to do that much damage...

So by that logic, if someone is driving drunk and runs over a pedestrian, we should only charge him with a DUI because he didn't mean to kill anyone?

Regardless of what he intended, he's still the only person responsible for breaking Moore's neck, and he has to be held accountable for it.

Retarded.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: xboxist

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: xboxist
I like this quote from the news article on ESPN.com -

"These comments are for Steve. I had no intention of hurting you."

Right. He might as well have said...

"I had no intention of hurting you. I wanted to punch you in the back the neck as hard as I could, and then drive your unconscious face into a sheet of ice. But I had no intention of hurting you."

Right, you really know what Bertuzzi's intentions were. Im sure he wanted to start a fight, and rough the guy up bit, but there is no doubt in my mind he had no intentions to break the guys neck.


Come on, think about what you're saying here!

I'm just simplifying his absurd comment. "I had no intention of hurting you." When he intentionaly slugged the guy in the back of the neck. That's all. There are less extreme ways to start a fight. So I think it's fairly safe to say that at the time, he intended to destroy him.

Im pretty sure alot of the Canucks had already tried to start a fight with him, Moore wouldn't go for it. This was Bertuzzis was of starting one. Unfortunately it ended really quick cause Bertuzzi's a fricken jackhammer.

No, he's a pvssy. A cheap shot on someone from behind is not a jackhammer it's a cheap shot by a punk and I hope when he gets back into the rink, he is on the receiving end of some jackhammers

 

[79Blazer]

Originally posted by: Stefan
Well, I've seen the replay many times and I saw his press conference this morning. He seems very sorry for what he did. He broke down into tears.

I think that the penalty is fair. They are making an example of him and IMHO, it's about time. It is unfortunate that such a high calibre player did this, but this stuff ruins the game and needs to be dealt with harshly.

I am all for letting the players have the ice to settle their differences. It is a self regulating game. That is what hockey is about, and that is what makes it such a good sport. It is the respect players have for the game and for others playing the game. You do something stupid and you will get what is comming for you. Something like this goes beyond having respect for other players on the ice and as such should be dealt with by the league officials.

I'd be pretty damn sorry, and breaking down into tears too, if I lost half my pay for the year.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Stefan

He is not a murderer. He was frustrated and hit the guy. He may have wanted to hurt the guy, but he didn't intend to knock him unconscious or have him break his neck when he fell. It is just a horrible result and he is getting pussished for his mistake. IMO, the incident with McSoreley was much worse. (however you spell his name 🙂)

bs.
It was a viscious pre-meditated attack designed with the sole purpose of seriously injuring him.
He should be incarcerated.
Body-checking is part of the game. Skating up behind someone, hitting them in the back of the head, and slamming their face into the ground is NOT.

I can't believe he had the nerve to say he didn't mean to hurt him. WTF else did he mean to do??