You need a poll. Plus, I think it's a very fair setence. The league should have said something on monday night (like "What Todd Bertuzzi did is intolerable and we will take swift and appropriate action" or something), but this at least sends the message that such an idiotic action is not welcome in the nhl.
Three games for fracturing a guy's neck, threatening his career, and initially his life. Yeah, that's a real fair sentence.
You feel worse for Todd Bertuzzi than Steve Moore? Are you serious?
Steve Moore is the one with a broken neck, a concussion, deep cuts in his face and a career that is in jeopardy.
Bertuzzi should be banned from hockey and jailed. I don't care how contrite he is.
Also they should have called off the playoffs this year and just given the Stanley Cup to Vancouver.
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Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
Three games for fracturing a guy's neck, threatening his career, and initially his life. Yeah, that's a real fair sentence.
Can someone explain to me how fighting became "part of the game"?
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Bertuzzi should be out of hockey for as long as Steve Moore is out of hockey. If/when Moore returns, Bertuzzi could return, if Moore's career is over Bertuzzi's career is over. Let the punishment fit the crime.
edro
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Yeah, he was trying to to kill him...Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
Three games for fracturing a guy's neck, threatening his career, and initially his life. Yeah, that's a real fair sentence.
Originally posted by: edro13
Yeah, he was trying to to kill him...Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
Three games for fracturing a guy's neck, threatening his career, and initially his life. Yeah, that's a real fair sentence.How many times have you punched a guy in the back of the head with hockey gloves, while he's whering a helmet, trying to kill him? He wanted to punch him, not slam his face into the ice and break his neck. He didn't mean to do that much damage...
So by that logic, if someone is driving drunk and runs over a pedestrian, we should only charge him with a DUI because he didn't mean to kill anyone?
Regardless of what he intended, he's still the only person responsible for breaking Moore's neck, and he has to be held accountable for it.
I like this quote from the news article on ESPN.com -
"These comments are for Steve. I had no intention of hurting you."
Right. He might as well have said...
"I had no intention of hurting you. I wanted to punch you in the back the neck as hard as I could, and then drive your unconscious face into a sheet of ice. But I had no intention of hurting you."
"These comments are for Steve. I had no intention of hurting you."
Right. He might as well have said...
"I had no intention of hurting you. I wanted to punch you in the back the neck as hard as I could, and then drive your unconscious face into a sheet of ice. But I had no intention of hurting you."
Cuda1447
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Wrong. Although I agree Bertuzzi needs to be punished, I don't think it should be any more then what he already got. I believe Bertuzzi is truly sorry for what he did, and I know he would take it back and make things right again if he could.
You guys are all looking at this from a get a revenge point of view. I mean seriously guys, have you not ever made a mistake in your life? Mistakes happen, it was extremely bad judgement from Bertuzzi's part. And in all honesty, if the guy hadn't been injured there would have been no more then a major penalty, or at most a few games suspension. Bertuzzi and Moore got unlucky that the hit landed in just the right way to knock him out, and that he hit the ice in just the right way to break his neck. It was a freak accident that he got hurt as bad as he did.
I hope Bertuzzi goes to see Moore in the hospital, and lets him know how sorry he really was. And in a perfect world I could picture both of these guys back on the ice next season, meeting up for their first regular season game and shacking hands/embracing and letting the fans know and everyone else know all is well, and what happened is over and done with.
It was a lapse of judgement, of course Bertuzzi should be punished, but the guy shouldn't be put to death for making one mistake.
Yeah and if all the fights that occur in hockey had happened outside of the game they would be considered assult. Bertuzzi got what he deserves, and thats it, he does not deserve to get any harsher punishment than that though.
for the people who think the suspension was too severe, what do you think the appropriate penalty should be if moore was:
a. paralyzed
b. killed
granted these are both extreme cases but i'm trying to determine where you think the line should be drawn, or if you think there should be a line at all.
even if bertuzzi had no intention of hurting moore, as he stated in his apology, he is still responsible for the results of his actions.
jayson williams had absolutely no intention of shooting his limo driver but he was doing something stupid, presumably, which directly caused the driver's death. that is why he is being held accountable.
the jayson williams example is also extreme, but i think it still illuminates the main point in this case.
a. paralyzed
b. killed
granted these are both extreme cases but i'm trying to determine where you think the line should be drawn, or if you think there should be a line at all.
even if bertuzzi had no intention of hurting moore, as he stated in his apology, he is still responsible for the results of his actions.
jayson williams had absolutely no intention of shooting his limo driver but he was doing something stupid, presumably, which directly caused the driver's death. that is why he is being held accountable.
the jayson williams example is also extreme, but i think it still illuminates the main point in this case.
I'm just simplifying his absurd comment. "I had no intention of hurting you." When he intentionaly slugged the guy in the back of the neck. That's all. There are less extreme ways to start a fight. So I think it's fairly safe to say that at the time, he intended to destroy him.
I think if you look at it this way the league is semi-responsible for letting this situation out of hand. I felt that the hit Moore took at Naslund wasn't too bad except he seemed to have stuck out his elbow a bit. Now there was no penality, nothing. Then league also didn't say that if anybody does more than talking and hurts Steve Moore your career is over. Instead they kept quiet and things got out of hand.
Originally posted by: Balt
Originally posted by: edro13
Yeah, he was trying to to kill him...Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
Three games for fracturing a guy's neck, threatening his career, and initially his life. Yeah, that's a real fair sentence.How many times have you punched a guy in the back of the head with hockey gloves, while he's whering a helmet, trying to kill him? He wanted to punch him, not slam his face into the ice and break his neck. He didn't mean to do that much damage...
So by that logic, if someone is driving drunk and runs over a pedestrian, we should only charge him with a DUI because he didn't mean to kill anyone?
Regardless of what he intended, he's still the only person responsible for breaking Moore's neck, and he has to be held accountable for it.
Retarded.
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Originally posted by: Stefan
He is not a murderer. He was frustrated and hit the guy. He may have wanted to hurt the guy, but he didn't intend to knock him unconscious or have him break his neck when he fell. It is just a horrible result and he is getting pussished for his mistake. IMO, the incident with McSoreley was much worse. (however you spell his name)
bs.
It was a viscious pre-meditated attack designed with the sole purpose of seriously injuring him.
He should be incarcerated.
Body-checking is part of the game. Skating up behind someone, hitting them in the back of the head, and slamming their face into the ground is NOT.
I can't believe he had the nerve to say he didn't mean to hurt him. WTF else did he mean to do??
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