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Is Athlon XP 3200+ abit too slow for Geforce 6800?

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Why are so many people so eager to jump onto the 64-bit bandwagon so quickly? Alot of people are only upgrading to 3200+ XP's now.

This upgrade idea is sort of extreme.

When you talk plainly about it, yes, a "number" from a "benchmark" goes up which means your GPU isnt running full speed, but seriously, its a small gain. It doesnt seem that the current Socket A rig cannot run every game on the market.

It def. can. Wouldnt it be better to just give your current platform another year to age? Wait for the next gen vid cards to come down, and then jump a big margin with the CPU as well. A 3200+ socket A is still a high end CPU in my eyes.

Alot of my friends actually have a 6800 on a 3000+, 2800+ and its very fast. They can play virtually ever game at top quality and high res.


Hell im on a p4 2.8 prescott and a 9800pro and i plan to play on it for 2 more years.

You gotta get at least 3 years outa your system! (at least thats what i think 🙂 )

I know i dont take this as serious as some people, and I get it, its a cool hobby. Your hobbies expensive if you need to stay on cutting edge though! Games dont need cutting edge!

 
LOL... why are you guys reply and say I wanna upgrade to 64bit? Read the posts before you reply with nonsense, Im not trying to upgrade to 64bit, Im just trying to downgrade my video card since it cant run at maximum speed on SocketA.
 
Why downgrade?

I suspected Socket A wouldn't be enough to max out my 6800GT when I bought it. I don't expect my imminent XP3200+ upgrade to max it out either.

That just means I can stack on the quality option, AF and AA without worrying too much about performance dropoffs.

When I do upgrade to A64 in the future my card will take advantage of the extra computing power without me having to go spend on a new card, unless I want to.
 
What you are saying is... when you go buy your 64bit pc, you gonna put the geforce 6800 on your new pc... then whats going to happen to your Athlon XP pc? go wasted? Future 64bit cpu will be more powerful and by the time you get your 64bit cpu, your geforce6800 might be too weak for your cpu because Geforce 7800 or 8800 might be out, so its not a good idea to move your geforce6800 to your future pc, the gpu you get for a system should be well matched and stay with that pc forever, at least thats what I think, everybody have different way of doing their things, lets not force each other into doing what you think is right.
 
Not trying to force anyone to do anything, just explaining why I upgraded the way I have.

Chances are I probably won't use the 6800Gt when I go 64 bit, but its nice to have the option (you never know when things may get tight an dleave you with less budget than you hoped for).

In the past my upgradges have gone GF2 Pro -> GF3 Ti200 -> GF4 4600 ->GF FX5900XT -> GF6 6800 GT.

Over the same period of time my cpu has gone Athlon TB 1100, XP1600, XP2400.

IMO you get much more out of a Graphics card upgrade than you do a CPU upgrade (for gaming), and that looks likely to remain true until dual-core cpu's are clocked significantly faster than current CPU's. Thats still a fair way off.

Even if I don't end up using the 6800GT in an A64 machine, I am certainly enjoying doing a lot of gaming at 16X AA (works well with a lot of older games).
 
SupremeServer I honestly don't see why you care. If it works, then it works and you should be happy with it. Don't pay attention to benchmarks; if it performs well enough, then leave it alone!

There is no set "equation," per se, that will allow you to determine if a video card's output is bottlenecking your CPU or vica versa. And benchmarks are just numbers... don't let them fool you.

All I'm saying is, based on my experiences, I'm perfectly happy with my card and my system. I know there are better CPU's and GPU's out there, but my system allows me to play the games I like, with great image quality, with little-to-no performance compromise.
 
Like I said in my prevous posts, you guys might think what I do is nonsense, thats because you are not a neat freak like me, you dont have to worry about being 100% perfect on everything you do, everyone have different standards so lets drop the subject, its pointless to continue because its going nowhere. Ive already got the answer to my question from christopherzombie, I dont know why you guys still want to continue, you are posting about things that I never asked for, thats like... if someone ask you something about your mama then you go on and on and tell them about your grandma NONSTOP, it doesnt make any sense, stop telling me things that I never asked for, dont you have better things to do than trying to make me change my mind about my own decision? You are not a god, you cant force your thoughts into other people.
 
Hi SupremeServer,

BTW, I have no confusion about you wanting to upgrade to the 64bit, just your neat freak thing.

Is my remark about trying to balance what your thinking? I'm curious.

Anyway, I had a cooment about the logic model you seem to be using.

This refers to Christoperzombies post with benchies and your comments therefrom. If I understand correctly, you are saying that because given the same gfx card (6800Ultra) with two different CPU's, if the gfx benchie scores higher with the 64bit vs. the XP, then you conclude that the XP is limiting the gfx card.

Well, conversly, I have used two diff gfx cards with the same CPU. If my XP shows improvement with the 6800GT vs the 9800p with the XP; I, with your logic, should conclude that the 9800p was bottlenecking my CPU?

In other words, using your model, but two different variables (gfx cards vs. CPU's), I come to the exact opposite result.

Please (1) see my above post about the CPU test portion of these benchies, and (2) comment on how appplying your model to my set of circumstances is valid or not. Just curious about your way of thinking (neat freakness thing)

Thanks,

Fern
 
SupremeServer, your past helping, your attitude towards all that helped you here should close this thread.

Go and downgrade your gpu or build a 64bit rig, i wont for one add any more input, your to anal, WTF did you ask for advise to throw back at everyone ?.
 
You are being extremely sloppy in your approach SupremeServer- I am finding it hard to put this together with your claims that neatness is your priority.

You need to create a defined standard if you want an accurate answer, something you have failed to do anything close to.

If you want to run all of your games at minimum settings at a resolution of 640x480 or lower then you are going to have a rather huge mismatch in terms of your processor and video card. If you are going to run at maximum settings w/AA+AF at a resolution of 2048x1536 you are not going to see any difference between your processor and a heavily OCd A64-FX with your vid card.

If you want a scientific answer you first must ask a question that we can give you the answer to. I am not going to attempt to answer 'your question' accurately as you have failed to ask one that can be yet.
 
You need to downgrade your video card to a GeForce 2 because your cpu is too slow to make anything else work right. You won't even be able to boot with that combination.... what were you thinking? I can't believe you would be so stupid to pair a 6800 with that lameo system.

(feel better?)

-Sid
 
There must be something wrong with you guys, I never asked your opinons or help about what im gonna do, but you guys still keep spamming, are you trying to get post counts or something? look at yourself... flaming people with a group, you think just cuz you are a group makes you all right? of course not, if you think you are tough, try go out and do that on the street.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU FOOLS ARE DOING RIGHT NOW? WHEN PEOPLE ASK YOU WHERE IS 19TH AVE? INSTEAD OF TELLING THEM A STRAIGHT ANSWER, YOU WOULD TELL THEM STUFF LIKE.... NONONO, DONT GO THERE, DONT GO THERE...

SO FOOLISH, IF YOU NOT GONNA ANSWER THE QUESTION, THEN DONT SAY ANYTHING, IF YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT AND IM WRONG, THEN GO OUT ON THE STREET AND DO THIS KINDA STUFF IN REAL LIFE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
 
SupremeServer-

Great attitude you have there. Are you always so close minded, or do you have to put effort in to it? On to your post-

I never asked your opinons or help about what im gonna do
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That would be great if it were true, but to quote you-

my question is... since my cpu is outdated Socket A and has no onchip memory controller, will it limit the full potential of my video card?
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You did in fact ask a question pertaining to the topic being discussed. In fact, it was you who started this thread seeking advice. You latched on to one post, it seems to be the one that told you what you wanted to hear, and then ignored what everyone else was telling you.

SO FOOLISH, IF YOU NOT GONNA ANSWER THE QUESTION, THEN DONT SAY ANYTHING, IF YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT AND IM WRONG, THEN GO OUT ON THE STREET AND DO THIS KINDA STUFF IN REAL LIFE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
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If you would like to handle it that way I live in South West New Hampshire, about twenty minutes from MA and fifteen minutes from VT, do you happen to be in relatively close proximity?
 
SupremeServer, you a total a$$hole, i for one replied on topic, but this "neatfreak" part makes me laugh, i bet your bedroom in your parents house aint neat and tidy and i think you should go get a pc build by a Pro as your obv a n00b, id advise alienware.

If i could speak for everyone here, i would tell them never to help you again as your attitude stinks.
 
Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
SupremeServer-

Great attitude you have there. Are you always so close minded, or do you have to put effort in to it? On to your post-

I never asked your opinons or help about what im gonna do
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That would be great if it were true, but to quote you-

my question is... since my cpu is outdated Socket A and has no onchip memory controller, will it limit the full potential of my video card?
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You did in fact ask a question pertaining to the topic being discussed. In fact, it was you who started this thread seeking advice. You latched on to one post, it seems to be the one that told you what you wanted to hear, and then ignored what everyone else was telling you.

SO FOOLISH, IF YOU NOT GONNA ANSWER THE QUESTION, THEN DONT SAY ANYTHING, IF YOU THINK YOU ARE RIGHT AND IM WRONG, THEN GO OUT ON THE STREET AND DO THIS KINDA STUFF IN REAL LIFE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
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If you would like to handle it that way I live in South West New Hampshire, about twenty minutes from MA and fifteen minutes from VT, do you happen to be in relatively close proximity?
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I dont live anywhere near there, but like I said, if you think you are so tough, you can try this to anyone on the street at where you live, you dont have to ask me go all the way from CA to do this simple task.

I asked the question, but it wasnt really a question, it was a statement, because I already know the answer from the benchmark, and whats wrong with being close minded? if you think someone who tell you to shut up is close minded then everybody is close minded, who have never tell someone else to shut up before?
 
REALITY: The whole bottlenecking thing is a two-way road. If you're playing at 640 resolution, then the speed is cpu-bound. If youre playing at 1600 resolution + AA/AF, then the gfx card is the bottleneck. If youre only playing CS 1.6 then a 9800 will be more than enough. If on the other hand you want to play newest games like D3 then a 6800 is good, unless you want to downgrade to a slower card so you can play at lower resolution and fps, just to feel like the system is perfect.
 
Originally posted by: humey
SupremeServer, you a total a$$hole, i for one replied on topic, but this "neatfreak" part makes me laugh, i bet your bedroom in your parents house aint neat and tidy and i think you should go get a pc build by a Pro as your obv a n00b, id advise alienware.

If i could speak for everyone here, i would tell them never to help you again as your attitude stinks.
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I do have attitude, but what about you? Is your attitude anywhere better than mine? If not then you have no right to talk about me, what do you feel when people are annoying you? With your attitude, Im guessing you would tell them to shut up, correct?

At least im using the nice approach to ask you guys to stop, but it didnt work out, it seems to me like some people in this forum wanna play tough and dont want to stop spamming, I guess the best thing for me to do is simply ignore this topic from now on.

So have fun calling me names and tell your friends not to help me with my future questions because I simply dont need that type of help (spamming with useless thread).
 
Im not the noob wanting help and throwing it back in the helpers faces.

You have did yourself no favours with this thread, your past trying to help.

Im not the only one to state this, in not so many words, i prefer to be direct.

Spamming, i and others gave direct replys to your topic, but you dont want to listen so i and others ahve told you to downgrade gpu or upgrade rig as this seesm to be waht you want to hear.

You are a idiot full stop, i have no friends here BTW its a forum on WWW, i dont know anyone of them.

And your statement about "useless posts", well your psot is a joke in the 1st place.

Why dont you go and do something of of your own back instead asking all us and then throwing back at us ?.

Be a man.

You said this >> "There must be something wrong with you guys" to the peeps who took the time and effort to bother to reply to this thread, well i think your the one thats got some kinda mental problem, like that woman on Deperate Housewives who cant bare to seea thread or button loose on her husbands suit, she even carried a needle and thread kit in handbag.

Like i said to anal for me. BYE
 
Also, define "full potential" please. If you're asking about the imaginary border between "working well" and "not working well," then it's purely subjective and not one person can give you a straight answer. You may like to cling to the guy who posted benchmarks, but you also must realize that we're not all dumbasses who just want to spite you by giving you the runaround. Did you bother taking into consideration the benchmark dude's system? Maybe he has faster RAM... maybe he OCed... maybe he has things in RAID 0... maybe he's just making them up! I don't know and neither do you. You need to take a step back, look at everyone's responses, and before quickly jumping to conclusions, analyze what everyone has said and make your decisions based on that.

For all intents and purposes, if you're not happy with it, none of us are going to be able to change your mind and you shouldn't have posted an ultimately yes/no question in tech forums. If you honestly were open to suggestions, we wouldn't be having this conversation now, would we.
 
Hey SupremeServer


Could I direct your attention back to my questions. They're on-point with regard to the issue you raised and neither spam nor flame. For example:

- CPU test portion of 3D Mark 05 and does inclusion of such in bench invalidate conclusion of cpu bottleneck with regard to said card's performance

- Validity of logic model given opposite result when two gfx cards are benched with an XP cpu

etc.

Thanks,

Fern
 
no you aren't bottle necking. At 3200+ AXP preformed like a 3.0C P4. At 2.5Ghz I would think you are preforming arounda 3600+ which would probably be around a 3200+ A64. There is no way you can be bottle necking.
 
My 2 cents...

Most of the time it won't be a bottleneck. With newer games, the GPU is more of a bottleneck, and with older games that are bottlenecked by the CPU/RAM, your's will run them fast enough that it won't matter anyway, and then you'll get nearly free AA and AF from the 6800.

There are a few exceptions... CS:S seems to like more processing power, especially when there are lots of people on a server. Doom 3 likes a lot of CPU power because IIRC, the CPU is responsible for the shadows. MMORPG's will typically like more CPU power as well.
 
I dont live anywhere near there, but like I said, if you think you are so tough, you can try this to anyone on the street at where you live, you dont have to ask me go all the way from CA to do this simple task.
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I talk to everyone as I do here- the overwhelming majority of the time I get a thank you. You asked a question that could not be answered accurately the way it was phrased, clarification was asked for, you went off. As far as 'toughness' is concerned, I don't care to discuss it over a forum- it is much faster to resolve it face to face.

I asked the question, but it wasnt really a question, it was a statement, because I already know the answer from the benchmark
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I can link you to benches showing the exact opposite quite easily- I can link you benches of a single 6800GT besting 6800Ultras running in SLI. Being close minded in this case equates to ignorance on your part. People are trying to explain things to you that you don't understand and you are not listening.
 
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