is artificial intelligence possible?

alphatarget1

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I took a class on programming and it's basically logic, if then statements and stuff ( i suck with programming). What I'm wondering is how y'all feel about AI.
 

Goosemaster

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Yes it is possible, but to actually create it, we have to accept as truth the fact that our existance is without meaning, and then we are at the mercy of whether that technology feels that its existance is less meaningless than our own.


 

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Yes it is possible, but to actually create it, we have to accept as truth the fact that our existance is without meaning, and then we are at the mercy of whether that technology feels that its existance is less meaningless than our own.

i guess it goes into ethics and stuff like can we eventually build a robot that has conscience? (lol awesom-o 4000)
 

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
some ai is already more "intelligent" than some people here that shall remain nameless

could you elaborate more on the AI and what it's capable of?
 

everman

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
some ai is already more "intelligent" than some people here that shall remain nameless

could you elaborate more on the AI and what it's capable of?

Well I'm guessing this particular one probably has the ability to form complete thoughts and sentences :p
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
some ai is already more "intelligent" than some people here that shall remain nameless

Me?:D

I think the the thing that will never make AI human, if it ever comes down to it, is imperfection.

Machines are designed for repetetive perfection, and designing one destined for failure or obsolescence isn't logical, so we wouldn't build one, but that is what humanity is.

So much of our success has come from our failures. Creative thinking is in someone's method of dealing with failure, and that is hard to teach, much less fund at an incredible financial loss.
 

arcenite

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If True AI is ever created (no programming necessary), the human race would then be in trouble.
 

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"Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

"Some persons seem to like you, and others seem to hate you, and you must wonder why. They are simply liking machines and hating machines.

"You are pooped and demoralized. Why wouldn't you be? Of course it's exhausting, having to reason every time in a universe which wasn't meant to be reasonable.

"You are surrounded by loving machines, hating machines, greedy machines, unselfish machines, brave machines, cowardly machines, truthful machines, lying machines, funny machines, solemn machines. Their only purpose is to stir you up in every conceivable way, so the Creator of the Universe can watch your reactions. They can no more feel or reason than grandfather clocks.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: arcenite
If True AI is ever created (no programming necessary), the human race would then be in trouble.

:thumbsup:

We exist in peace becuase many of us rely on morality that is tld to be divine. AI would have no such benefits by nature, and therefore death and muder and harm and empathy would not be logical...


Unless some religious fanatics program them as Jesee jackson Opertunists so they can have Jesse cover every flagrant story i nthe media at once...
 

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Originally posted by: myusername
"Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

"Some persons seem to like you, and others seem to hate you, and you must wonder why. They are simply liking machines and hating machines.

"You are pooped and demoralized. Why wouldn't you be? Of course it's exhausting, having to reason every time in a universe which wasn't meant to be reasonable.

"You are surrounded by loving machines, hating machines, greedy machines, unselfish machines, brave machines, cowardly machines, truthful machines, lying machines, funny machines, solemn machines. Their only purpose is to stir you up in every conceivable way, so the Creator of the Universe can watch your reactions. They can no more feel or reason than grandfather clocks.

Interesting...where is it from?


<-----Curious machine:D
 
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it all depends on what you consider intelligence to be

like djikstra (sp) once said, asking if computers can think is like asking if submarines can swim (or something like that and dont kill me if its been butchered)

i firmly believe that within our lifetime a machine will pass the turing test
 

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Interesting...where is it from?
<-----Curious machine:D

Kilgore Trout, character in Breakfast of Champions, book by Vonnegut. See also film :)
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
it all depends on what you consider intelligence to be

like djikstra (sp) once said, asking if computers can think is like asking if submarines can swim

i firmly believe that within our lifetime a machine will pass the turing test

That is thinking to simply. True, impressive, AI, is mirroring humanity, introducing intelligent capacity into an utter state of confusion, where purose, reasoning, and the senses, are all at your disposal for no particualr reason, and with no particular goal to achieve.

True AI, will have the ability to find a reason to exist that is unquestionably selfish..."Killing all humans" or otherwise.


That said, this is why AI is so dangerous. Simply, we assume that humanity is divine, when AI will not agree.


*queue in Music by the Propeller head* :evil:
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: Jmman
AI probably is not a question of if, but when........

For example, true AI would exhibit itself in a manner like Agent Smith did to Morpheus about the "zoo" he was in in the movie, the Matrix.
 

Gunslinger08

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Depends on how you define AI.

Look into Expert Systems/Knowledge Based Systems, Artificial Neural Networks, etc.

These systems can make decisions given inputs and ANNs can train themselves, given enough test cases.

As far as "thinking" for themselves? No.
 
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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
it all depends on what you consider intelligence to be

like djikstra (sp) once said, asking if computers can think is like asking if submarines can swim

i firmly believe that within our lifetime a machine will pass the turing test

That is thinking to simply. True, impressive, AI, is mirroring humanity, introducing intelligent capacity into an utter state of confusion, where purose, reasoning, and the senses, are all at your disposal for no particualr reason, and with no particular goal to achieve.
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To me, that describes human life perfectly.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
it all depends on what you consider intelligence to be

like djikstra (sp) once said, asking if computers can think is like asking if submarines can swim

i firmly believe that within our lifetime a machine will pass the turing test

That is thinking to simply. True, impressive, AI, is mirroring humanity, introducing intelligent capacity into an utter state of confusion, where purose, reasoning, and the senses, are all at your disposal for no particualr reason, and with no particular goal to achieve.
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To me, that describes human life perfectly.

I know.