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is anyone watching this cnn presents: pain medication

zanejohnson

zanejohnson

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such blatant bullshit, the part where it talks about america having the biggest opoid problem in the world..

have they never heard of heroin? usa may have the biggest PRESCRIPTION pain medication problem, but heroin is thousands of years old, people have used it since the beginning of time... russia has the biggest opoid problem, not the usa... opium is prevalent in buddhist religion...

this is war on drugs propoganda.


they should also say, america has the biggest opiate problem, where, opiates are deemed illegal, and people decide what you can put in your body.
 
Im sure they didn't mention that Tylenol(Acetaminophen) has anything to do with the problem and the fact that big pharma demands it be in there only to kill you.
 
AmdEmAll said:
Im sure they didn't mention that Tylenol(Acetaminophen) has anything to do with the problem and the fact that big pharma demands it be in there only to kill you.
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of course not, and i hate apap.

you can die from apap.. and you can buy it anywhere.. smoke a joint, and get caught, spend 6 months in a texas county jail
 
This is very timely anti-drug propaganda after the recent pro-weed legislation in Colorado and Washington.

Got to scare the sheep into continuing their support of the War on (some) Drugs.
 
Juror No. 8 said:
This is very timely anti-drug propaganda after the recent pro-weed legislation in Colorado and Washington.

Got to scare the sheep into continuing their support of the War on (some) Drugs.
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yep, it's so blatant its sad....


i just want to know, what is behind this anti drug agenda?

is it that people begin to think outside the box when they use drugs?
is it far right wing nonsense?
is it big pharma's heavy lobbying hand?

what is it exactly?
 
I was watching that. Knowing many people, including family, that have chronic pain conditions - this one hit a bit close to home. I've seen the new restrictions' affect on people. Those that legitimately need certain medications have to jump through hoop after hoop after flaming hoop just to try to get the care they need - and often fail. Doctors are too skittish of the DEA looking over their shoulder, which alters their professional medical judgement.
 
Well, but isn't there some truth to it that us Americans tend to be too impatient for a manageable pain? (thus the highest # of pill consumption) There are degree/kinds of pain that can be dealt with, without an aid of opioid. But many tend to go for a quick fix, and then get hooked as a result.

I am not against legalizing Drugs per se (which, by the way, doesn't mean selling heroine over the counter), but this is one area where line-drawing is necessary. There are drugs that are medically useful, and there are drugs that can be used recreationally and responsibly by individuals. But there are drugs that don't fit these category easily for now.

Compromise is essential when the issue at hand is not black and white, but rather exists on continuum. I am against those mandated mixing of Tylenols/Advils in opioid to "prevent abuse," since it's well known that those additives are even more harmful for patients. It is also silly to put less-addictive/less-harmful drugs to higher level in the schedule just because certain demographics tend to use those. But it doesn't mean that we can't have any law to regulate narcotics.
 
MovingTarget said:
I was watching that. Knowing many people, including family, that have chronic pain conditions - this one hit a bit close to home. I've seen the new restrictions' affect on people. Those that legitimately need certain medications have to jump through hoop after hoop after flaming hoop just to try to get the care they need - and often fail. Doctors are too skittish of the DEA looking over their shoulder, which alters their professional medical judgement.
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Unless people deal with it they really have no clue how bad it is.
 
zanejohnson said:
yep, it's so blatant its sad....


i just want to know, what is behind this anti drug agenda?

is it that people begin to think outside the box when they use drugs?
is it far right wing nonsense?
is it big pharma's heavy lobbying hand?

what is it exactly?
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It's always about either control or profit, and oftentimes both.

I believe the War on (some) Drugs, just like the wars on terror and "climate change", creates an excellent, artificial excuse for the ruling oligarchs to create a police state and crack down on civil liberties. You see, all government is based on fear. If you can't sell fear to the peasants, you can't possibly sell them government, and if you can't sell them government, you can't possibly sell them new policies and social engineering schemes. There must be a boogeyman of some sort. So, if no enemies exist, you have to create them, and drugs are an excellent surrogate for a real enemy.

With a war on drugs, you can get people used to the idea that the government can determine what they can and can't consume. You can also get people used to the idea of search and seizures, victimless crimes, no-knock paramilitary raids, and inland checkpoints. And like the phoney terrorism problem, it also provides the justification needed to militarize civilian police forces and for federal funding of local police departments, thereby corrupting them and making them answerable to Washington.

There are other factors involved (corporate subsidies, police union lobbying, etc...), but this is probably the biggest one.
 
waggy said:
Unless people deal with it they really have no clue how bad it is.
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you know... this makes me wonder... wouldn't this problem simply go away???

you say problem, i think.. ok, he means the problem with junkies coming in trying to get pain meds..

wouldn't that just go away? if everyone had access to it?
 
zanejohnson said:
you know... this makes me wonder... wouldn't this problem simply go away???

you say problem, i think.. ok, he means the problem with junkies coming in trying to get pain meds..

wouldn't that just go away? if everyone had access to it?
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no. there would still be junkies. but nothing is really going to fix that.

my issue is are those in chronic pain really the people the feds should be going after?
 
waggy said:
no. there would still be junkies. but nothing is really going to fix that.

my issue is are those in chronic pain really the people the feds should be going after?
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but isn't that a direct effect of trying to go after the "junkies?"
 
zanejohnson said:
such blatant bullshit, the part where it talks about america having the biggest opoid problem in the world..

have they never heard of heroin? usa may have the biggest PRESCRIPTION pain medication problem, but heroin is thousands of years old, people have used it since the beginning of time...
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Actually heroin was first synthesized in 1874, opium on the other hand.

russia has the biggest opoid problem, not the usa... opium is prevalent in buddhist religion...
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This is correct, Russia is the number one consumer of heroin in the world.

this is war on drugs propoganda.
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100% correct.

they should also say, america has the biggest opiate problem, where, opiates are deemed illegal, and people decide what you can put in your body.
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Pretty fucked p that the best thing for pain is such a demonized substance. Personally I think that if you want you should be able to walk into a pharmacy and buy a bottle of opiate based pain medicine if you want, and are an adult.
 
MovingTarget said:
I was watching that. Knowing many people, including family, that have chronic pain conditions - this one hit a bit close to home. I've seen the new restrictions' affect on people. Those that legitimately need certain medications have to jump through hoop after hoop after flaming hoop just to try to get the care they need - and often fail. Doctors are too skittish of the DEA looking over their shoulder, which alters their professional medical judgement.
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My wife suffers from chronic pain for her back and it really sucks. You always feel like you are being treated as a junkie. Earlier this year when my wife went into to get a Hysterectomy done the Nurses at the hospital where treating her like a Junkie because of the amount of pain drugs she was on for her back. I am concerned that eventually with enough of these scare articles that it will make things even more difficult. I have heard in Florida that things have gotten so bad that a lot of pain management doctors are literally getting out of that line of work because of the state and DEA crackdown. The DEA will not even publish guidelines as to what they consider is abusive. So the Doctor's don't even know if they could be targeted next by the DEA.
 
This country's war on drugs is cruel and unusual punishment for folks who lived a life of hard work and injury. Prescribe real meds that take care of pain, and go to jail. Doctors know it, they're afraid and will not help people.
 
lopri said:
Well, but isn't there some truth to it that us Americans tend to be too impatient for a manageable pain? (thus the highest # of pill consumption) There are degree/kinds of pain that can be dealt with, without an aid of opioid. But many tend to go for a quick fix, and then get hooked as a result.
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It doesn't help that we're the world's fattest country. That leads to a lot more conditions that can cause chronic pain.
 
OverVolt said:
USA legit consumes 80% of the worlds pain medication.
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That's not necessarily a bad thing. I read an awful story about how in some countries they're horrendously puritanical about pain meds, and even cancer patients can have a difficult time getting drugs like morphine. If we're being liberal with dispensing pain meds to people who are in real pain then that's a good thing.
 
waggy said:
no. there would still be junkies. but nothing is really going to fix that.

my issue is are those in chronic pain really the people the feds should be going after?
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A problem exists separating the fakers from the real thing.

Look at MJ as a perfect example
 
I have issues with my back and every doctor i've been too basically stated they can't do shit for me and to just live with it.
 
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