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Is anyone skipping their "starter home"?

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I just worked out an offer on my first house - signing paperwork on Monday, woo hoo!

80K plus they pay 3K closing costs and inspections; 1 1/2 bathrooms, 3 bedrooms, sweet-looking design (with cedar siding) on a wooded, 1/2 acre lot a mile from work. I'm pretty happy. It sold for $140K two years ago (it's foreclosed now).

Hopefully I'm not too lazy to take care of it...
 
Originally posted by: kranky
We bought our "starter home" with the thought of moving up in a few years. We decided to stay. It's paid off. Now we're happy with the extra money.

I bought my "starter home" thinking similar. Couple times I thought about buying one of those McMansion but now I'm glad I didn't. My current house is plenty big enough (~4k sq ft), and I'm happy with the location and the neighborhood. I'm saving all the extra money from the paid off house and plan on buying a beach condo as a vacation home once the FL market stops falling and stabilizes. If I had a McMansion, a vacation home would be out of the question.
 
Originally posted by: Naustica
Originally posted by: kranky
We bought our "starter home" with the thought of moving up in a few years. We decided to stay. It's paid off. Now we're happy with the extra money.

I bought my "starter home" thinking similar. Couple times I thought about buying one of those McMansion but now I'm glad I didn't. My current house is plenty big enough (~4k sq ft), and I'm happy with the location and the neighborhood. I'm saving all the extra money from the paid off house and plan on buying a beach condo as a vacation home once the FL market stops falling and stabilizes. If I had a McMansion, a vacation home would be out of the question.

a 4k sqft house isn't a mcmansion already?
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Naustica
Originally posted by: kranky
We bought our "starter home" with the thought of moving up in a few years. We decided to stay. It's paid off. Now we're happy with the extra money.

I bought my "starter home" thinking similar. Couple times I thought about buying one of those McMansion but now I'm glad I didn't. My current house is plenty big enough (~4k sq ft), and I'm happy with the location and the neighborhood. I'm saving all the extra money from the paid off house and plan on buying a beach condo as a vacation home once the FL market stops falling and stabilizes. If I had a McMansion, a vacation home would be out of the question.

a 4k sqft house isn't a mcmansion already?

Depends, but in general yes I'd say it is.
 
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Naustica
Originally posted by: kranky
We bought our "starter home" with the thought of moving up in a few years. We decided to stay. It's paid off. Now we're happy with the extra money.

I bought my "starter home" thinking similar. Couple times I thought about buying one of those McMansion but now I'm glad I didn't. My current house is plenty big enough (~4k sq ft), and I'm happy with the location and the neighborhood. I'm saving all the extra money from the paid off house and plan on buying a beach condo as a vacation home once the FL market stops falling and stabilizes. If I had a McMansion, a vacation home would be out of the question.

a 4k sqft house isn't a mcmansion already?

A mcmansion is more defined as the quality of a house not the size. Mcmansions are cheaply built large houses that have poorly made asthestic features.
 
Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Naustica
Originally posted by: kranky
We bought our "starter home" with the thought of moving up in a few years. We decided to stay. It's paid off. Now we're happy with the extra money.

I bought my "starter home" thinking similar. Couple times I thought about buying one of those McMansion but now I'm glad I didn't. My current house is plenty big enough (~4k sq ft), and I'm happy with the location and the neighborhood. I'm saving all the extra money from the paid off house and plan on buying a beach condo as a vacation home once the FL market stops falling and stabilizes. If I had a McMansion, a vacation home would be out of the question.

a 4k sqft house isn't a mcmansion already?

A mcmansion is more defined as the quality of a house not the size. Mcmansions are cheaply built large houses that have poorly made asthestic features.

No.
 
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Naustica
Originally posted by: kranky
We bought our "starter home" with the thought of moving up in a few years. We decided to stay. It's paid off. Now we're happy with the extra money.

I bought my "starter home" thinking similar. Couple times I thought about buying one of those McMansion but now I'm glad I didn't. My current house is plenty big enough (~4k sq ft), and I'm happy with the location and the neighborhood. I'm saving all the extra money from the paid off house and plan on buying a beach condo as a vacation home once the FL market stops falling and stabilizes. If I had a McMansion, a vacation home would be out of the question.

a 4k sqft house isn't a mcmansion already?

A mcmansion is more defined as the quality of a house not the size. Mcmansions are cheaply built large houses that have poorly made asthestic features.

No.

Yes. Size does not define a 'McMansion'. That term is used to define large homes that:
* take up almost the entire lot
* were marketed as 'semi-custom' even though they were just larger tract homes
* were manufactured almost assembly-line style in the 2000s, sacrificing quality for speed and homogeneity
* are constitute the vast majority of new 'affluent HOA' neighborhoods in places like California
 
"McMansion is a pejorative term coined by New York environmentalist Jay Westervelt[1][unreliable source?] to describe a particular type of housing that is constructed in an assembly line fashion reminiscent of food production at McDonald's fast food restaurants. The term is one of many McWords. A McMansion often denotes a home with a larger footprint than a median home, an indistinct architectural style similar to others nearby, and is often located in a newer, larger subdivision or replaces an existing, smaller structure in an older neighborhood.

A McMansion is a house with a floor area of between 3,000 to 5,000 square feet (280?460 m2) in size, often on small lots (the house itself often covering a larger portion of the land than the yard in a more conventional design), in homogeneous communities that are often produced by a developer.
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mcmansion
 
Originally posted by: Turin39789
"McMansion is a pejorative term coined by New York environmentalist Jay Westervelt[1][unreliable source?] to describe a particular type of housing that is constructed in an assembly line fashion reminiscent of food production at McDonald's fast food restaurants. The term is one of many McWords. A McMansion often denotes a home with a larger footprint than a median home, an indistinct architectural style similar to others nearby, and is often located in a newer, larger subdivision or replaces an existing, smaller structure in an older neighborhood.

A McMansion is a house with a floor area of between 3,000 to 5,000 square feet (280?460 m2) in size, often on small lots (the house itself often covering a larger portion of the land than the yard in a more conventional design), in homogeneous communities that are often produced by a developer.
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mcmansion

What sets a mcmansion apart from a normal house, even if both are the same size is the aesthetic features. $300,000 houses with giant wooden pillars in the front which are mean to copy off of real mansions is what makes a mcmansion.
 
Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: Turin39789
"McMansion is a pejorative term coined by New York environmentalist Jay Westervelt[1][unreliable source?] to describe a particular type of housing that is constructed in an assembly line fashion reminiscent of food production at McDonald's fast food restaurants. The term is one of many McWords. A McMansion often denotes a home with a larger footprint than a median home, an indistinct architectural style similar to others nearby, and is often located in a newer, larger subdivision or replaces an existing, smaller structure in an older neighborhood.

A McMansion is a house with a floor area of between 3,000 to 5,000 square feet (280?460 m2) in size, often on small lots (the house itself often covering a larger portion of the land than the yard in a more conventional design), in homogeneous communities that are often produced by a developer.
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mcmansion

What sets a mcmansion apart from a normal house, even if both are the same size is the aesthetic features. $300,000 houses with giant wooden pillars in the front which are mean to copy off of real mansions is what makes a mcmansion.


Too large houses on too small lots that all look alike are mcmansions. I'm sorry if you live in one.
 
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: Turin39789
"McMansion is a pejorative term coined by New York environmentalist Jay Westervelt[1][unreliable source?] to describe a particular type of housing that is constructed in an assembly line fashion reminiscent of food production at McDonald's fast food restaurants. The term is one of many McWords. A McMansion often denotes a home with a larger footprint than a median home, an indistinct architectural style similar to others nearby, and is often located in a newer, larger subdivision or replaces an existing, smaller structure in an older neighborhood.

A McMansion is a house with a floor area of between 3,000 to 5,000 square feet (280?460 m2) in size, often on small lots (the house itself often covering a larger portion of the land than the yard in a more conventional design), in homogeneous communities that are often produced by a developer.
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mcmansion

What sets a mcmansion apart from a normal house, even if both are the same size is the aesthetic features. $300,000 houses with giant wooden pillars in the front which are mean to copy off of real mansions is what makes a mcmansion.


Too large houses on too small lots that all look alike are mcmansions. I'm sorry if you live in one.

Lot size is rarely the determining factor. Have you ever been to London or New York? Are the 20,000 square foot urban mansions in Manhattan or Kensington Palace Gardens mcmansions?
 
Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: Turin39789
"McMansion is a pejorative term coined by New York environmentalist Jay Westervelt[1][unreliable source?] to describe a particular type of housing that is constructed in an assembly line fashion reminiscent of food production at McDonald's fast food restaurants. The term is one of many McWords. A McMansion often denotes a home with a larger footprint than a median home, an indistinct architectural style similar to others nearby, and is often located in a newer, larger subdivision or replaces an existing, smaller structure in an older neighborhood.

A McMansion is a house with a floor area of between 3,000 to 5,000 square feet (280?460 m2) in size, often on small lots (the house itself often covering a larger portion of the land than the yard in a more conventional design), in homogeneous communities that are often produced by a developer.
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mcmansion

What sets a mcmansion apart from a normal house, even if both are the same size is the aesthetic features. $300,000 houses with giant wooden pillars in the front which are mean to copy off of real mansions is what makes a mcmansion.


Too large houses on too small lots that all look alike are mcmansions. I'm sorry if you live in one.

Lot size is rarely the determining factor. Have you ever been to London or New York? Are the 20,000 square foot urban mansions in Manhattan or Kensington Palace Gardens mcmansions?




You know what? You're right. I was wrong.

You have a wonderful and fulfilling life ahead of you filled with the respect and admiration of your peers.
 
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: JMapleton
Originally posted by: Turin39789
"McMansion is a pejorative term coined by New York environmentalist Jay Westervelt[1][unreliable source?] to describe a particular type of housing that is constructed in an assembly line fashion reminiscent of food production at McDonald's fast food restaurants. The term is one of many McWords. A McMansion often denotes a home with a larger footprint than a median home, an indistinct architectural style similar to others nearby, and is often located in a newer, larger subdivision or replaces an existing, smaller structure in an older neighborhood.

A McMansion is a house with a floor area of between 3,000 to 5,000 square feet (280?460 m2) in size, often on small lots (the house itself often covering a larger portion of the land than the yard in a more conventional design), in homogeneous communities that are often produced by a developer.
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mcmansion

What sets a mcmansion apart from a normal house, even if both are the same size is the aesthetic features. $300,000 houses with giant wooden pillars in the front which are mean to copy off of real mansions is what makes a mcmansion.


Too large houses on too small lots that all look alike are mcmansions. I'm sorry if you live in one.

Lot size is rarely the determining factor. Have you ever been to London or New York? Are the 20,000 square foot urban mansions in Manhattan or Kensington Palace Gardens mcmansions?




You know what? You're right. I was wrong.

You have a wonderful and fulfilling life ahead of you filled with the respect and admiration of your peers.

Another internet argument victory for JMapleton. Score!
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: DougK62
...and think that having a family of three in a 1500 sq.ft. house is "cramped".

It is cramped. We have 2 kids but even with 1 kid their toys have to go somewhere... their highchairs... their almost-daily laundry... it's all sitting out between the "den" and "living/dining room" in spaces we walk through. And then we have our stuff + furniture of course. If there's anything that's needed, it's extra rooms.

you are 4 no? 2 adult 2 kids?

yes, but like I pointed out even with 1 kid this is all extra stuff around the house that is in the way. Our den has become the play area with toys on the couch for storage... the high chair is wheeled between there and the dining room and back every night because of space issues... the walker is yet another object (and we only have 1) in the way... the 1 swing is already in a corner and takes up room... just today we're trying to figure out where to put the playpen. Nowhere other than the nursery (which is already a storage room for us) which is upstairs while EVERYTHING else is downstairs when they're awake. It's just not as much room as we could use... whether it be more rooms or even each room being that much bigger... simply put, it's cramped.
 
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: rh71
Originally posted by: DougK62
...and think that having a family of three in a 1500 sq.ft. house is "cramped".

It is cramped. We have 2 kids but even with 1 kid their toys have to go somewhere... their highchairs... their almost-daily laundry... it's all sitting out between the "den" and "living/dining room" in spaces we walk through. And then we have our stuff + furniture of course. If there's anything that's needed, it's extra rooms.

you are 4 no? 2 adult 2 kids?

yes, but like I pointed out even with 1 kid this is all extra stuff around the house that is in the way. Our den has become the play area with toys on the couch for storage... the high chair is wheeled between there and the dining room and back every night because of space issues... the walker is yet another object (and we only have 1) in the way... the 1 swing is already in a corner and takes up room... just today we're trying to figure out where to put the playpen. Nowhere other than the nursery (which is already a storage room for us) which is upstairs while EVERYTHING else is downstairs when they're awake. It's just not as much room as we could use... whether it be more rooms or even each room being that much bigger... simply put, it's cramped.

start going vertical with storage 🙂
 
Originally posted by: krylon
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
I lived in an ~1800 sq ft home, with mom and stepdad. We had 3 dogs (great dane, collie, and lab), and I had an iguana as well. We had plenty of room, and was about the right size house for us. I had a friend who lived with us for a few months, and there was plenty of space for the 4 of us+dogs in it.

I don't want a house much over 2000 sq ft, and don't plan on having kids (want to get a vasectomy actually).

Oh and to the dude who said that an 8000 sq ft home was small for a family of 4. I dated a girl for a bit who grew up in a house that was 8000 sq ft, with a 3000 sq ft basement, and a 1250 sq ft garage. She had 8 siblings, and two parents. They had PLENTY of space, and she said that they weren't "cramped" or anything. I seriously doubt you grew up in an 8000 sq ft home. For those of you who want to see the house.

wow... that is huge...

That's what he wishes she said

fixed

 
You definitely sound like someone who has never owned property and has very little idea of what it's about.
Having never owned your own property, you really don't know what you really need/want in your "first and only" home.
You also have to realize that there is more to owning a property than just having the property. There is the entire experience of "building a home".
That "building a home" isn't something that can be done in one shot, or planned out on paper.

That's similar to thinking its a good idea to not bother buying any car ever except your dream car.
It would be foolish because never having experienced the features of any car, how would you know what you desire and what constitutes your dream car.

On top of that why would you make the conscience decision to skip out on building equity, tax write offs and tax credits?

You should probably dip your toes into the pool before you jump in head first.
 
Many also get a false perception of house size because everyone tends to just add sq. ft or simply not realize what they bought. My current home is 1788 sq ft I was looking as similar ones and heard everything from slightly smaller than actual to nearly double the square footage. The county appraiser makes it easy to see providing they didn't make any additional changes that did not have a permit. It's comfortable for 2 (4 bedrooms, 2 baths...the 4th bedroom is a huge office now (was the car port), one bedroom is a bit small as is the master bath)

My first home was much nicer, a 3/2/2 on a nice canal for privacy and 1/2 acre in a nice equestrian community. I paid nearly 1/2 the cost of this current home only 10 years later 🙁.

I sort of wish I stayed renting another year...I was in a small but really nice apartment...my rent was only $600.
 
We're still in our "starter" home and probably will be for life. If it starts to feel cramped that just reminds us we have accumulated too much crap and it is time to make a Goodwill/Craigslist/ebay/Freecycle run to unload stuff. Since we don't plan to move we can base our modifications to the house based upon what we like, not what some hypothetical buyer might want.

As far as tax deductions go, the mortgage interest deduction beat the standard deduction only for the first year after we bought. Since then, we've taken the standard deduction every year.

Some folks enjoy "moving up" but after moving ten times in a fifteen year span, I've had enough.
 
I am but its not "size" rather than location. I don't need 3k sq feet. I'm looking at a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom, 2 car garage, brick colonial in an old established tree lined neighborhood. I could easily afford a "starter" home right now but I'm waiting until the summer to pull the trigger. There is no point in me buying garbage just to say I own a house and then moving in 4-5 years.
 
Although I look back and think that I would probably have accrued some equitty had I purchased a home right away, that was durring an exceptional growth period for real estate. Given the current market I'm not sure that kind of growth is anticipated for a while. Most calculations require such growth to make such an investment more lucrative than renting (including the tax deduction).

I skipped the starter and built a custom 4300 sq ft home on 13 acres of lake front in NJ. We had only one child at the time but now with 2 more and a mother-in-law we have expanded finishing the basement for another 1200 sqft then adding an addition for another 1800 sq ft. Now everyone has there own bedroom with one in the basement for visitors. You might think OMG all that space but with 6 in a house, it gets used up quick. It's nice to have some spaces that aren't full of toys or a TV that's not playing sponge-bob. I often wonder how my parents raised 5 kids in a 1200 sqft home without going bonkers. (I'll drive anyone bonkers after a while)
 
Originally posted by: JMapleton
I personally plan to skip buying what many consider a "starter home." It seems there is a sense that home ownership is equal to success and many young people as soon as they quality will go out and buy the first house they can afford after they get their first job with a 30 year loan and little money down.

Me personally, I plan to wait a few more years to save up as much as possible to buy a house that I personally will never need to upgrade (in terms of size or location). I just don't see the point in having to mess with a house when it's not necessary to have one, although I understand that some people have families early and need a house to put them in.

Anyone else doing this?

Depends on what you consider a starter home. I've lived in Arlington, VA, for the past four years. Really like the area.

Anyhow, my fiancee and I decided that the market was right around here and that we were going to buy. We did a lot of looking in our initial "starter" price range, basically up to $325k, in Arlington (mostly south), Falls Church, FC City (nothing in that range, believe me), Alexandria, etc. We didn't want a condo, but we weren't afraid to roll up our sleeves and rehab something. We almost bought in Falls Church for about 280k, a 3 story house that needed a top to bottom renovation. Ultimately, the # of short sales and REO in that area chased us out, we felt that the money we'd put it was going to get wiped out by our neighbors not paying.

Frustrated, we started looking closer to where we rented, mostly in Arlington, a couple rehab properties in North Arlington (North is historically more desirable than South for a number of factors), plus some larger lots and more finished places further south. At this point, we had adjusted our price range up to about 425k because that was the reality of the market we were shopping in. The downside is that we'd no longer be putting 10-15% down, we ended up doing 5%.

Probably 9 months ago, we ended up with a very small house within reasonable walking distance to the metro that was structurally and cosmetically sound right in the 400k range. It needs updates inside, but no pressing needs, everything is just very dated. The house is tiny (1000 above ground square feet) and the lot is small.

So it's a starter in the sense that it needs work to bring it up to date and very small. Probably not starter on the price, but it is if you consider that there aren't many non-condo properties that aren't total tear downs for the price in this area. I personally think a starter home is one where you compromise on any number of factors because you can't afford ideal. In that sense, this is a starter home, we got our location by sacrificing space, condition to a degree, and our original price range.

Probably a bigger risk than going for a pure starter home, but it's worked out so far and we're happy with it. Your plan is a good one, but depending on your area, you might want to see if you can find a bargain. Congress is doing everything it can to prop up prices now, afraid that people will walk away otherwise. Depending on where you live, you might be buying at or near the bottom. Our exit strategy is to rent this place out when we outgrow it (read: kids), so we purchased in a location that is rentable.
 
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