So...no one's going to point out the irony of someone with the user name "blackangst" is bitching about identity politics? Granted, based on how they seem to perpetually be trying to dismiss black people (and others that don't fit a pretty specific demographic) voicing their issues, so it seems the name is sarcastic or dismissive to begin with, but still slightly bemusing.
pauldun170
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Is it coincidence that the only people I hear complaining about "identity politics" are White Christian men?
They seemed to get really worked up about it when marginalized groups make a point about something...usually about the being marginalized thing.
Blacks would love to get rid of it but apparently REALLY hard to be able to treat them equally.
LGBTQ would LOVE to get rid of identity politics but (inserts Mike Pence photo)
Latinos would LOVE to get rid of it but WCM really hate that whole bilingual thing
Women would LOVE to get rid of it but as you know...she's a very nasty woman who had it coming because of the way she was dressed and she simpy needs to let boys be boys
Muslims would REALLY love to get rid of it but....well you know. The terrorisms and things and stuff
Jews would LOVE to get rid of it but apparently..actually. WCM are perfectly fine with Jews using identity politics. Especially Evangelicals. It's almost like they are hoping for something ...
They seemed to get really worked up about it when marginalized groups make a point about something...usually about the being marginalized thing.
Blacks would love to get rid of it but apparently REALLY hard to be able to treat them equally.
LGBTQ would LOVE to get rid of identity politics but (inserts Mike Pence photo)
Latinos would LOVE to get rid of it but WCM really hate that whole bilingual thing
Women would LOVE to get rid of it but as you know...she's a very nasty woman who had it coming because of the way she was dressed and she simpy needs to let boys be boys
Muslims would REALLY love to get rid of it but....well you know. The terrorisms and things and stuff
Jews would LOVE to get rid of it but apparently..actually. WCM are perfectly fine with Jews using identity politics. Especially Evangelicals. It's almost like they are hoping for something ...
brandonbull
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Welcome to the Church of Progresshevikism and their state news network. Where you "ain't Black if you don't vote for Joe", or a racist, white xenophobe if you think differently than the approved liberal message.
nickqt
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Identity politics is exactly how the electorate is divided, so why wouldn't that be how politicians respond?
The Democratic party is basically minority/women base with various people included who like socially liberal cultural policies and center-center-right economic policies.
The Republican party is basically straight Christian white male base, with a smattering of everyone else.
One party is a big tent. One party is pretty exclusive and will shout out loud who is and isn't allowed to be a member.
The easiest way to get past "identity" politics is to go to class politics, where 99.9% of the population bands together to rid itself of the 0.01% parasite class domination. Vote out the people who are destroying this country for profit and vote in people who want to build this country's infrastructure (infrastructure includes a safety net, by the way).
But, the 0.01% have all the money and power, and know they can essentially scare 1/2 the population into believing the other half is going to take all their stuff...and it just so happens that the people being told to be afraid of "socialism" aligns with the current Republican party base of straight Christian white males.
Just look at the blathering, scared snowflake diarrhea above my post.
The Democratic party is basically minority/women base with various people included who like socially liberal cultural policies and center-center-right economic policies.
The Republican party is basically straight Christian white male base, with a smattering of everyone else.
One party is a big tent. One party is pretty exclusive and will shout out loud who is and isn't allowed to be a member.
The easiest way to get past "identity" politics is to go to class politics, where 99.9% of the population bands together to rid itself of the 0.01% parasite class domination. Vote out the people who are destroying this country for profit and vote in people who want to build this country's infrastructure (infrastructure includes a safety net, by the way).
But, the 0.01% have all the money and power, and know they can essentially scare 1/2 the population into believing the other half is going to take all their stuff...and it just so happens that the people being told to be afraid of "socialism" aligns with the current Republican party base of straight Christian white males.
Just look at the blathering, scared snowflake diarrhea above my post.
Bitek
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They didn't. Tx and FL proved that.
The need to fix that to win.
I'll agree with OP that you don't do that with a few memorized beloved patriot spanish lines in a debate then going all in on immigration.
woolfe9998
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A lot of people seem to forget this, but Trump saying Biden is socialist is not new. Literally every single dem candidate at least since Clinton, and probably before, has been labelled a socialist by the repugs. Along with claiming they are going to "take your guns away" and are "for open borders." It's like 8 elections straight of using that tactic, and they never realize that they were burned every other time in the past when none of those things turned out to be true. They just keep buying it.
brandonbull
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Most people know better. They are actually totalitarians who prefer a system of oligarchs. That's why they dominate the top richest Congressional districts and seems to have unlimited campaign war chests funded by rich celebrities, Hollywood, and Silicon Valley types. Too bad ignoramuses are not self aware of their ignorance.
It's all about dat segregation.
Liberals love segregating people into groups and acting as if they are owed a vote based on the color of someone's skin.
Queue the Biden gaff of "Poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids."
Not everything in life can be segregated into cookie cutter shapes
Liberals love segregating people into groups and acting as if they are owed a vote based on the color of someone's skin.
Queue the Biden gaff of "Poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids."
Not everything in life can be segregated into cookie cutter shapes
Lezunto
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AOC has a point. She knows Latinos have a choice. Now, it looks like a lot of Black people believe they have a choice, too.
Things have to change. But I'd rather folks get another stimulus check and then a vaccine, first.
We cannot bring back jobs unless people are going to be safe going to and from and while at work.
May everyone be safe, healthy and wickedly horny this whole week.
If I broke a rule, um, do I get a do-over?
Things have to change. But I'd rather folks get another stimulus check and then a vaccine, first.
We cannot bring back jobs unless people are going to be safe going to and from and while at work.
May everyone be safe, healthy and wickedly horny this whole week.
If I broke a rule, um, do I get a do-over?
brandonbull
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We know Joe Biden thinks you have to talk like Apu from the Simpsons when you go into a 7-11 or even that some of those coloreds can be articulate and bright and clean .
MrSquished
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This is why the Republicans will have one more Qanon supporter in the House starting in 2021 than they have African-Americans.
zinfamous
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because conservatives have spent decades and generations telling you and the rest of us that there are true Americans (WASPS) and all the "others?"
lol that you ask this question when you are the fucking problem.
zinfamous
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Vic
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How does one say "Liberals love segregating people into groups" without first segregating liberals into a "cookie cutter shape"?
IOW, you're complaining about identity politics while engaging in identity politics. I've found that that's something people do when they're against letting other people live their own lives and express their own ideas, but ashamed to admit it.
But hey, you're smarter than all these stupid liberals... purely by the virtue of self-identifying as a conservative.
IronWing
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No joke, in a lot of cases white men view themselves as the default so they don't consider politicians pandering to them to be identity politics.
This of course makes exactly zero sense, but it's what they often believe.
HomerJS
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Hehe. Like he said. Trump played white grievance for 5 years and now you want to claim this??
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Starbuck1975
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I am tired of identity politics because it asserts that people should vote a certain way based off of who they are instead of the issues they support. One of my coworkers is upset that exit polling seems to indicate that Trump make gains with black men and latinos. Rather than try to understand why, his immediate response is to dismiss them as “stupid”.
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Hehe. Like he said. Trump played white grievance for 5 years and now you want to claim this??
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Guess all that proves is you misclassified my beliefs. Nothing new.
dank69
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I hear Americans speak of "extreme liberal" and that sounds much the same to me. I always hear that as "Extremely in the middle" or "hardline wishy-washy".
So to you is "preventing cops from murdering black men" a form of identity politics or an "issues they support". I'm confused. It applies to the identity of black men, but I'd say also an issue quite important to them. So how is it a problem??
Establishment Democrats like focusing on identity politics because it takes the focus off of economic policy.
Like center-right economic policies??? Florida $15 minimum wage blew way past Biden vote count. I do think there is sometimes self-interest involve, however, where that is the case, especially if there's a directly identifiable effect e.g. CA Uber/Lyft proposition that passed. Even liberals want their serfs. Liberals, not just conservatives, will also try to retain advantages if pols implement them and then it's very difficult to take away e.g. Proposition 13 -- lots do not want to give up not having to pay a fair share.
CA had a proposition for preferential treatment in government jobs for minorities. That's not inclusive. That's setting up privileges.
So to you is "preventing cops from murdering black men" a form of identity politics or an "issues they support". I'm confused. It applies to the identity of black men, but I'd say also an issue quite important to them. So how is it a problem??
Democrats try to make the issue all about black people. Common sense does not prevail here. Black people commit significantly more violent crime. Black people disproportionately kill more cops. You can expect a disproportionate amount of black people to get shot.
Table 42
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