Is anyone else sick of seeing all these college threads where everyone plans to go to MIT/Caltech/Berkeley/etc?

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ElFenix

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Originally posted by: Koing
Man still can't believe how pricey the Uni's in the states are!

I'm in England. EVERYONE pays a MAX of £1050 a year for the education fee. Then they pay their acomodation fee and that various where you live a lot. If your outside of london its quite a bit cheaper but if you live in London its more pricey.

It totals about £4k ish a year including Uni fee. Excludes all expenditure though. That equates to $6k roughly a year. All our degrees take 3 years unless you do a Masters which is an extra year so 4 years for a Masters.

But I guess the price comes from the VAT and Tax we get raped on :( 17.5% VAT! But we don't need *medical insurance* and stuff ont he NHS is alright so its all offset by that I guess.

Well in England it just helps to get an interview or make connections going to a Uni with a better representation. It all comes down to what yoru like in your interview and how good you actually are though. But connections ALWAYS help no end.

My bro and me know the manager of this sport shop and both were offered the part time job and we'd get pay rises immediately without working for a 6month period to get a pay rise. Is it fair? No just came down to that we knew the manager.

i can't imagine it costs significantly less to run a university in england than it does anywhere elese.
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: Koing
Man still can't believe how pricey the Uni's in the states are!

I'm in England. EVERYONE pays a MAX of £1050 a year for the education fee. Then they pay their acomodation fee and that various where you live a lot. If your outside of london its quite a bit cheaper but if you live in London its more pricey.

It totals about £4k ish a year including Uni fee. Excludes all expenditure though. That equates to $6k roughly a year. All our degrees take 3 years unless you do a Masters which is an extra year so 4 years for a Masters.

But I guess the price comes from the VAT and Tax we get raped on :( 17.5% VAT! But we don't need *medical insurance* and stuff ont he NHS is alright so its all offset by that I guess.

Well in England it just helps to get an interview or make connections going to a Uni with a better representation. It all comes down to what yoru like in your interview and how good you actually are though. But connections ALWAYS help no end.

My bro and me know the manager of this sport shop and both were offered the part time job and we'd get pay rises immediately without working for a 6month period to get a pay rise. Is it fair? No just came down to that we knew the manager.

I got financial aid, didn't pay much at all, here in the States. And I have lower taxes than you because I don't have to pay for other people to go to college for £1050.
How about them apples?
 

acidvoodoo

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Originally posted by: Koing
Man still can't believe how pricey the Uni's in the states are!

I'm in England. EVERYONE pays a MAX of £1050 a year for the education fee. Then they pay their acomodation fee and that various where you live a lot. If your outside of london its quite a bit cheaper but if you live in London its more pricey.

It totals about £4k ish a year including Uni fee. Excludes all expenditure though. That equates to $6k roughly a year. All our degrees take 3 years unless you do a Masters which is an extra year so 4 years for a Masters.

But I guess the price comes from the VAT and Tax we get raped on :( 17.5% VAT! But we don't need *medical insurance* and stuff ont he NHS is alright so its all offset by that I guess.

Well in England it just helps to get an interview or make connections going to a Uni with a better representation. It all comes down to what yoru like in your interview and how good you actually are though. But connections ALWAYS help no end.

My bro and me know the manager of this sport shop and both were offered the part time job and we'd get pay rises immediately without working for a 6month period to get a pay rise. Is it fair? No just came down to that we knew the manager.

yea, i think it takes less time to complete a degree because the A levels are equiv to AP credits, so in your alst year yo get alot of the entry stuff you'd do it an american college out of the way, as it's compulsory anyway

 

MeanMeosh

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i didnt bother applying to mit / caltech / berkeley because our school offered no ap courses with the exception of biology and chemistry, neither of which would have been useful for electrical engineering. but, i didnt really wanna go out of state anyway, i'm glad i went to ut austin :p
 

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
I was #1 in my class (4.0 GPA), but only a 1390 SAT, 32ACT score, etc... numerous awards and scholarships, job experience, senate page, etc. Didn't bother with MIT, knew I wouldn't get accepted and wasn't particularly interested. Tried for Berkeley, but, of course, I live near Seattle. Didn't get in.

I did, however, get into USC, UCSD, UCSB, WWU, and the UW. I chose the UW, and I've never regretted it.

I do, however, regret various choices made in regards to my living situation and classes. I would've never taken 3 years worth of classes in less than 2... it's killed my GPA and stressed me out massively.

Hey Zakath, I'm one of your fellow UW brethren. This is the only school I applied to. I always wanted to go here for years, and I'm loving every day of it (well minus the fact that we got beat so bad in hockey this last weekend it wasn't even funny:) Unlike quite a few of the uber nerds around here, I'm a classics major and a rhetoric major. I'm either going to teach classics, or do law. You wouldn't happen to live in lakeshore at all, hey?
 

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Originally posted by: sparkyclarky

Hey Zakath, I'm one of your fellow UW brethren. This is the only school I applied to. I always wanted to go here for years, and I'm loving every day of it (well minus the fact that we got beat so bad in hockey this last weekend it wasn't even funny:) Unlike quite a few of the uber nerds around here, I'm a classics major and a rhetoric major. I'm either going to teach classics, or do law. You wouldn't happen to live in lakeshore at all, hey?

Haha, speaking of hockey... nah, I went to the Thunderbirds game last night, but I haven't kept up with the UW hockey team. How exactly do you get a degree in "rhetoric"? Is it through the Classics Department?

I live on campus, in McMahon. I'm an RA, so it's not as bad as it initially sounds. Although you do get woken up randomly some mornings by drunken idiots wandering around the dorm.
 

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Originally posted by: kevin000
I'm going to St Johns University, got a free ride. I have like a 91 overall average, and a 1080 on my SATs (I was legitmately sick and too lazy to retake it). I dropped all AP classes since you need a 4/5 on the test for it to actually mean anything. My senior year is excellent. My first class (English) is at 8AM, and I walk out of my second/final class (Cisco) at 9:45. I understand working hard to get what you want, but when it comes to college, you're competing with the best of the best. Might as well stay normal and happy then book-smart and stressed...

You take two freaking classes your senior year? How the hell did you pull that off? I'm taking 6 1/2 credits just to reach the bare minimum to graduate, and I've taken an average of 6 1/2 the previous three years too.
 

LongCoolMother

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exactly. my cousin scored 1520 on the SAT, above 4.0 GPA. still did not get into stanford, harvard. etc. of course, he easily made it into all the UC schools, including berkley and LA. but the private schools are absolutely crazy. i cant imagine how crazy you have to be to go to those schools.
 

sparkyclarky

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: sparkyclarky

Hey Zakath, I'm one of your fellow UW brethren. This is the only school I applied to. I always wanted to go here for years, and I'm loving every day of it (well minus the fact that we got beat so bad in hockey this last weekend it wasn't even funny:) Unlike quite a few of the uber nerds around here, I'm a classics major and a rhetoric major. I'm either going to teach classics, or do law. You wouldn't happen to live in lakeshore at all, hey?

Haha, speaking of hockey... nah, I went to the Thunderbirds game last night, but I haven't kept up with the UW hockey team. How exactly do you get a degree in "rhetoric"? Is it through the Classics Department?

I live on campus, in McMahon. I'm an RA, so it's not as bad as it initially sounds. Although you do get woken up randomly some mornings by drunken idiots wandering around the dorm.

I'm getting the rhetoric degree through the Communication Arts dept. RAing isn't that bad. I considered it until I realized that I would blow at the job (not quite social enough). Hell, dorm life is a blast at times. That's why a bunch of friends and myself are getting singles over in Adams next year! And I'll be turning 21, so yeah.....:D
 

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I do, however, regret various choices made in regards to my living situation and classes. I would've never taken 3 years worth of classes in less than 2... it's killed my GPA and stressed me out massively.

I hear ya. I applied to MIT and didn't get in... and glad I didn't now. I have a friend who made it in. He said he wanted to be an economics major, and of course they never get people who want to go to MIT to study economics, so he gets in with a less impressive resume than I've got. Last I heard he had switched to computer science. I'm not willing to play that game.

But yeah, I did the same thing... took 3 years of classes in less than 2, and now my GPA slid under a 3.0 so I lost my scholarship and have to transfer to somewhere else. But I have to work for awhile first because I'm out of cash and don't want to take out college loans.

And no, I'm not looking for pity. I don't like school and am glad to be out for the time being. Plus, I know far too many graduates with my degree program who are struggling to get jobs because they don't have any work experience. At this point, I'm figuring it's more valuable to have work experience and a security clearance, maybe a few certifications, than it is to have a degree, although a degree is still important and I'm sure I'll complete mine eventually. Just don't have the stress of "oh no, let's get this done in four years" BS. Screw that.

My employer told me, though, that it didn't matter where I went to school. They look for a degree; they don't care whether it says MIT or Colorado Fan Club College. It's just a piece of paper that some people says will give you value as an employee. I'm just trying to figure out it it will give me enough extra value to justify the extra time jumping through hoops, because I never really learned anything of value in my classes that I couldn't have learned faster on my own.

I'm not saying college is worthless. It has a lot of value to people suited for it. If you're learning stuff in college, great... college is doing what it's supposed to. But if you're like me, the type who only takes classes because they're required for the degree, then you're just jumping through the hoops needed to get through the system. If you pick up a thing or two along the way, great, but ultimately you're just catering to a preset system's rules and regulations, and it probably won't amount to squat later on. I have that to say about most of my "formal" education after the sixth grade.

Oh, and by the way, Elemental, the financial burden is *not* the reason to skip MIT. If you get accepted and think you can make it, and you're the kind of person who actually learns in a formal education situation, and if you're not to prideful to ask for help, then by all means... go. Most employers who recruit from Ivy League schools expect to cover college loans. And, Elemental, if you go to MIT and are locked in your dorm room for 4 years, you won't make it. Getting through MIT -- just ask an MIT student this -- requires you to work with other people. You learn in your first month that you can't do it all on your own. The program is designed to do that.

But your point is well-taken. Your technical future is in no way dependent upon acceptance to an Ivy League university. Or any university at all, for that matter. To be honest, I'm darn near close to giving up on the whole system. I think it's flawed.
 

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Originally posted by: sparkyclarky

I'm getting the rhetoric degree through the Communication Arts dept. RAing isn't that bad. I considered it until I realized that I would blow at the job (not quite social enough). Hell, dorm life is a blast at times. That's why a bunch of friends and myself are getting singles over in Adams next year! And I'll be turning 21, so yeah.....:D

Interesting... what does the rhetoric degree cover?

RA'ing isn't that bad... it can be irritating sometimes. Drunk people have a tendency to piss me off, especially when they're causing trouble on my floor, but that only happens every now and then.

Yeah, turning 21 and getting an apartment rules. :D I'll probably be living (RA'ing) in Stevens Court or the new complex my senior year.
 

Gibson486

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No offense, but what are you smoking? I don't know what programs you might have been comparing (optics is the only thing I can even fathom), but I can't see any logical reason to pick RIT over MIT (except for location perhaps).

Have you ever been to the MIT campus? If not, then go there. Some of the floors really look nasty with several cracks. Not saying that MIT is a bad school, but teh impression they put on kids during teh campus tour is not that great. ALso, on my campus tour, i saw so many unshaven unclean people. It's not the type od school i would go too, unless i got a free ride. RIT is a great school and it definately does hold its ground against MIT. Anything with being an undergraduate, you could get a smiliar education elsewhere.
 

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Originally posted by: Gibson486
No offense, but what are you smoking? I don't know what programs you might have been comparing (optics is the only thing I can even fathom), but I can't see any logical reason to pick RIT over MIT (except for location perhaps).

Have you ever been to the MIT campus? If not, then go there. Some of the floors really look nasty with several cracks. Not saying that MIT is a bad school, but teh impression they put on kids during teh campus tour is not that great. ALso, on my campus tour, i saw so many unshaven unclean people. It's not the type od school i would go too, unless i got a free ride. RIT is a great school and it definately does hold its ground against MIT. Anything with being an undergraduate, you could get a smiliar education elsewhere.

Unclean and unshaven people... whoa no there is a good criterion for picking schools. I hope, for your sake, you never go to berkeley (lest you want to see unshaven women and the naked guy).

Anyway, MIT's campus ain't that bad (have you ever seen yale's campus or some of the other ivy leagues).

Also, even assuming that you won't learn anything more at a prestigious school vs. other schools (even though I personally think that is crap), the most important reasons to go to somewhere like MIT is prestige and recruiting. You might learn as much at rinky-dink state school, but try getting a good job when you are up against grads from Penn/MIT/Stanfurd, etc.
 

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I think you accidently turned a thread complaining about college students into a thread we everyone can brag about their scores in high school. Kind of a funny turnaround.

Jason
 

PsychoAndy

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Originally posted by: jjessico
I think you accidently turned a thread complaining about college students into a thread we everyone can brag about their scores in high school. Kind of a funny turnaround.

Jason

Not really. There could be a lot more, like myself, posting where they applied/scores/GPA.

Anyways, I set my standards low, since my sub-3.5 GPA and high test scores would tell any college that I am a grade-A slacker. The only "good" school I applied to is USC, and I doubt i'll get in.
 

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Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: jjessico
I think you accidently turned a thread complaining about college students into a thread we everyone can brag about their scores in high school. Kind of a funny turnaround.

Jason

Not really. There could be a lot more, like myself, posting where they applied/scores/GPA.

Anyways, I set my standards low, since my sub-3.5 GPA and high test scores would tell any college that I am a grade-A slacker. The only "good" school I applied to is USC, and I doubt i'll get in.



The incoming freshman last year had a SAT average of ~1340, IIRC. I forget the exact number, but it was something like that. I just remember, when I went to check out SC during the summer before my freshman year, that they said something about the SAT average steadily increasing. Engineering, I believe, had the highest overall SAT average. Business scholars, on average, had a 14xx SAT.



How did you do on the SAT?
 

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Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
exactly. my cousin scored 1520 on the SAT, above 4.0 GPA. still did not get into stanford, harvard. etc. of course, he easily made it into all the UC schools, including berkley and LA. but the private schools are absolutely crazy. i cant imagine how crazy you have to be to go to those schools.

come on... if you worked hard in high school... you can definitely get in those private schools you're referring to
 

jjessico

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I keep noticing people saying they got a 4.8 or some such number above 4.0. Is this a new trend in high schools? I haven't heard of any school on a scale bigger than 0-4 in MN anyways.

Jason
 

beer

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Originally posted by: cchen
Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
exactly. my cousin scored 1520 on the SAT, above 4.0 GPA. still did not get into stanford, harvard. etc. of course, he easily made it into all the UC schools, including berkley and LA. but the private schools are absolutely crazy. i cant imagine how crazy you have to be to go to those schools.

come on... if you worked hard in high school... you can definitely get in those private schools you're referring to

Is my sarcasm meter broken?
 

Zebo

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Good rant, I give it a 9/10. Even if they could get in it's most probable they could'nt afford it @40K year. Then is it worth it for a BS when thier are plenty of good public schools to attend. I can understand though for graduate school because the dollars just flow into those programs.
 

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Originally posted by: jjessico
I keep noticing people saying they got a 4.8 or some such number above 4.0. Is this a new trend in high schools? I haven't heard of any school on a scale bigger than 0-4 in MN anyways.

Jason

My high school had -- and still has, to my knowledge -- a 5.0 scale. By taking honors classes, you could get higher than that. I think I graduated with something around a 5.3... not that it mattered to me at all. Actually, since I slacked so much my last semester senior year, it was probably closer to a 5.0. Don't remember.

And to answer your question about SAT/ACT, I found that a lot of East Coast/West Coast colleges preferred the SAT, whereas the middle states preferred the ACT. I won't bother mentioning what I got on any of the tests, but just hated that I maxed the English portion of the ACT while math and sciences lagged behind it somewhat, and those were the ones I thought were more important for my would-be profession.
 

rh71

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"Official" education is overrated. Just be motivated to learn/do things on your own and you'll do fine in life.
 

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that's so funny.... i know a girl who does not have straight 1600s, has not participated in any international competitoins (national though), and does not have 4.0+, yet she got into MIT her JUNIOR year.

i think MIT is much better than other schools at distinguishing between really passionate students and those that simply get good grades.