Is anyone else getting frustrated by the images of war on TV? (WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES INSIDE)

[imported_Tomato]

"All they keep showing are the same green night-vision video footage of the bombing in Baghdad because they are more sanitized than the real images of human suffering caused by our "shock and awe" war campaign. They make it look like it's just a distant video game being played out on our TV screens. The American people need to wake up and stop relying on biased media sources like Fox News for important news coverage. We need to see more of the so-called "too-graphic-for-TV" images because that is what's real. If you're going to go to war and be pro-war, you should be prepared to face the results.

There was supposed to be a strike on classes today at all the area colleges in protest of the war, but I didn't see too much rallying on campus. I'm not sure whether rallying and protesting is going to be effective at ending the war at this point. I feel like Bush is gonna do what he set out to do, and he isn't bringing the troops back until they are done bombing Iraq back to the 19th century and sure that Saddam Hussein is dead. Of course, with everyone from Saddam Hussein to Britney Spears employing body doubles these days, how can you be sure? I mean what if Bush himself is using an animatronic lookalike for a stand-in during his addresses to the nation?

Anyway, for those of you out in the *Real World* paying taxes to Uncle Sam, you can find out how much you are paying for the war on Iraq. Have you ever dreamt of building your own arsenal of Weapons of Mass Destruction? Check out Home Despot for a complete catalog of the newest "shock and awe" weaponry out there--perfect for taking over the world one country at a time!"


Thanks for the interesting links, Jenny... I miss you.

 

[XZeroII]

Maybe we should post picture of victims from the WTC.

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Maybe we should post picture of victims from the WTC.

When will people stop equating what happened on 9/11 with what is happening now. *sigh* I lost a friend in the WTC attack (Casey, RIP), but I don't see the correlation.

EDIT: I don't get those supporters who stand holding signs that say "REMEMBER 9/11"... can someone explain that to me?

 

[Kadarin]

Dezign, I think most of us are well aware that war does have a human cost; innocent people will get hurt and some will die. However, the naive view that we should all protest so that our troops can just pack up and go home just won't work. Now that we're there, we need to stick this out and finish the job, or it will all be for less than nothing.

 

[Alistar7]

those didnt look nearly as gruesome as the photos of the Kurd gassing....

 

[Entity]

I assume you are well acquainted with these photos, Dezign?

There are valid arguments for both sides of this issue; simply put, the cost, in terms of human loss, is regrettable, but the simplistic argument that war was preventable, at this point, is lacking in depth.

This comes from someone who is neutral on this issue; I wish war was not the answer, but have yet to see a better one.

Rob

 

[Thraxen]

Oh spare me. No one even knows if those are Coalition missles that have hit civilian targets. They could just as easily be anti-aircraft weapony falling back to the ground. But yeah, tragedies always occur in war, but the point is stop what Saddam has been doing to his people for decades. Where are your links to those images?

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Maybe we should post picture of victims from the WTC.

When will people stop equating what happened on 9/11 with what is happening now. *sigh* I lost a friend in the WTC attack (Casey, RIP), but I don't see the correlation.

EDIT: I don't get those supporters who stand holding signs that say "REMEMBER 9/11"... can someone explain that to me?

Saddam's ties to terrorists are well known and extensive. He harbors, aids, abets, trains, finances and encourages terrorists. After 9/11 we have to do whatever we can to make sure his WMD are not used by some of his friends, the same type that killed your friend (I'm sorry for your loss). We know he has these and has no inhibitions about using them, I hardly think he would have any problem giving some to ANYONE who would be willing to unleash them on the mainland US.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Entity
I assume you are well acquainted with these photos, Ivy?

There are valid arguments for both sides of this issue; simply put, the cost, in terms of human loss, is regrettable, but the simplistic argument that war was preventable, at this point, is lacking in depth.

This comes from someone who is neutral on this issue; I wish war was not the answer, but have yet to see a better one.

Rob

thanks for reposting my link....... those are EXACTLY the ones I just referred to..

 

[imported_Tomato]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Dezign, I think most of us are well aware that war does have a human cost; innocent people will get hurt and some will die. However, the naive view that we should all protest so that our troops can just pack up and go home just won't work. Now that we're there, we need to stick this out and finish the job, or it will all be for less than nothing.

I respect your position, and I don't hold the "naive view that we should all protest so that our troops can just pack up and go home." Personally, I agree... I don't think protesting is effective. I just think it's important not to forget there are people involved...

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Entity
I assume you are well acquainted with these photos, Ivy?

There are valid arguments for both sides of this issue; simply put, the cost, in terms of human loss, is regrettable, but the simplistic argument that war was preventable, at this point, is lacking in depth.

This comes from someone who is neutral on this issue; I wish war was not the answer, but have yet to see a better one.

Rob

If that doesn't convince anybody that we are doing the right thing that I don't know what would!

 

[drewshin]

Saddam's ties to terrorists are well known and extensive. He harbors, aids, abets, trains, finances and encourages terrorists. After 9/11 we have to do whatever we can to make sure his WMD are not used by some of his friends, the same type that killed your friend (I'm sorry for your loss). We know he has these and has no inhibitions about using them, I hardly think he would have any problem giving some to ANYONE who would be willing to unleash them on the mainland US.

what wmd did iraq use in 9/11?

we know he has some connections to hezbollah and the plo, but no extensive ties to al-qaeda. why hasnt he given them any to use in the last twenty years? if he is such good friends with these terrorists, why is he letting them proceed with their piddly suicide bombings, that might kill at most 10 people, when he could give them a gallon of some toxin that could kill thousands?

im sorry but 9/11 involves al-qaeda and the taliban, and this war is a separate issue.

 

[Thraxen]

im sorry but 9/11 involves al-qaeda and the taliban, and this war is a separate issue.

Not totally. The US stated after 9/11 that they would be going after countries that support terrorism...not just Al-qaeda.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Civilian injuries inflicted and capitalized on by the Iraqi regime. 'Nuf said.
C

 

[Emos]

I assume you are well acquainted with these photos

Well if a dictator slaughters his own people by the thousands no one here seems to care or turns a blind eye to it...however if a cruise missile goes errant the "EVIL" US is engaged in genocide! A main reason why we have those expensive precision guided munitions is to AVOID civilian casualties! War is an ugly affair but I believe that we bend over over backwards (even to the point of putting our soldiers at increased risk) to avoid civilian casualties.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

facts of war......PEOPLE WILL DIE, PEOPLE WILL GET HURT...

again..


PEOPLE WILL DIE...doesn't matter whom or what.....they mainly show children and women because they're "innocent"....just be fvcking happy that you live in america...

me, i have mixed feelings about the war......but my fvcking tax money goes to those troops...and no matter what, i'll support them....killing children or not.....

yes yes very tragic...that comes w/ war.......as americans, better them than me..no?....flame me goddamn it...

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Maybe we should post picture of victims from the WTC.

When will people stop equating what happened on 9/11 with what is happening now. *sigh* I lost a friend in the WTC attack (Casey, RIP), but I don't see the correlation.

EDIT: I don't get those supporters who stand holding signs that say "REMEMBER 9/11"... can someone explain that to me?

Saddam's ties to terrorists are well known and extensive. He harbors, aids, abets, trains, finances and encourages terrorists. After 9/11 we have to do whatever we can to make sure his WMD are not used by some of his friends, the same type that killed your friend (I'm sorry for your loss). We know he has these and has no inhibitions about using them, I hardly think he would have any problem giving some to ANYONE who would be willing to unleash them on the mainland US.

Oh stop beating around the bush, dude, and post a link to that conclusive evidence you had yesterday.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Dezign

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Dezign, I think most of us are well aware that war does have a human cost; innocent people will get hurt and some will die. However, the naive view that we should all protest so that our troops can just pack up and go home just won't work. Now that we're there, we need to stick this out and finish the job, or it will all be for less than nothing.

I respect your position, and I don't hold the "naive view that we should all protest so that our troops can just pack up and go home." Personally, I agree... I don't think protesting is effective. I just think it's important not to forget there are people involved...

Then I think we're in agreement. If we packed up and left, Saddam would re-consolidate his hold on the country and go on a reign of terror that would make his previous activity look like a walk in the park; he'd want to make damn sure nobody ever revolted again. In addition, the people of Iraq would hate us all the more because we were there with the stated mission of liberating them, and failed to follow through. Again. It would be an enormous propaganda victory for al-Jazeera and other Arab media on several levels. The entire Arab population would hate us 10x more than they do now.

No, now that we're there, we have to topple Saddam, and we have to demonstrate our good intentions towards the Iraqi people with deeds more than words.

 

[Emos]

In addition, the people of Iraq would hate us all the more because we were there with the stated mission of liberating them, and failed to follow through. Again.

Agree totally. Dissidents were encouraged to revolt after the first Gulf War. For some reason we didn't bother to help them when they got the courage (probably thinking that the Coalition would assist) to go against the Iraqi regime...the result was a slaughter by the thousands. Not one of our better days IMO.