Is AMD gonna have an answer to Conroe.
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Avalon
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Not immediately. What you see from AMD now is what they'll have when Conroe starts hitting the market.
Although, they do have 65nm CPUs due out late Q4 of this year, which may be interesting. If 65nm does anywhere near for AMD what it did for Intel, it will definitely make their chips more competitive.
AMD is also going to go through a string of price drops on their A64 and X2 line of processors over the next coming months, if you can call that an "answer".
Although, they do have 65nm CPUs due out late Q4 of this year, which may be interesting. If 65nm does anywhere near for AMD what it did for Intel, it will definitely make their chips more competitive.
AMD is also going to go through a string of price drops on their A64 and X2 line of processors over the next coming months, if you can call that an "answer".
K8L will be the next significant jump in performance. Maybe the move to 65nm will help AMD boost clock speeds significantly, though.
AM2 is the way to go. K8l and 65nm's are socket AM2 and it will only get better.
The Conroe hype is cooling off as time goes by and independant reviews conducted.
This website has conducted a few multitask benchmarks and the results are not so great.
The FSB Bottlenecks in multytask and dual GPU.
am2 is such a joke.. oh wow a 3% performance delta... meh! but look, you get to buy a new motherboard, memory, psu, cpu hsf, etc
the dieshrink to 65nm is the only thing that can help amd
the dieshrink to 65nm is the only thing that can help amd
AMD probably needs a core revision to catch up to Conroe because dd2/ddr3 will only give an incremental increase in performance and has higher latencies.
AMD doesn't need an immediate answer to Conroe becuase Intel won't be able to meet demand, at least not this year. Besides look how long it took Intel to come up with an answer to AMD 64s. So AMD may be in 2nd place for a little while, no big deal; it's the nature of competition.
amd's answer to conroe is the price-cuts the day after conroe(core 2 duo) is technically released.
And in other fields,amd has never really given intel a hard time in the mobile segment have they.(anyway thats off topic)
The real competitive answer is coming with K8L and 65nm.So intel get to enjoy atleast about 9-11 months at the top.
And in other fields,amd has never really given intel a hard time in the mobile segment have they.(anyway thats off topic)
The real competitive answer is coming with K8L and 65nm.So intel get to enjoy atleast about 9-11 months at the top.
Yes, the K8L...and to be honest with you, after some more thorough comparisons emerged between Conroe vs. the K8(FX series), I'm not that impressed with conroe. It seems like it was overly hyped with the first benchmark Anandtech did at the preview. The conroe is the better chip, but the K8 architecture holds its grounds(not that far behind in many tasks), maybe the K8L revision will give it an even closer match clock per clock.
This is off topic, but I'd like to see what's past a quad core conroe with an IMC(assuming the k8l quadcore compares, and assuming that an IMC is added to conroe after they're done "rushing"). That's when both companies will really have to come with something ground breaking again.
edit: almost forgot the price cuts, going back to AMD's roots of value.
This is off topic, but I'd like to see what's past a quad core conroe with an IMC(assuming the k8l quadcore compares, and assuming that an IMC is added to conroe after they're done "rushing"). That's when both companies will really have to come with something ground breaking again.
edit: almost forgot the price cuts, going back to AMD's roots of value.
well i dont think switching to 65nm will make much of a difference bumping the mhz up for AMD... conroes main advantage is its intructions per clock efficiency... and also the overclocking ability to reach very high GHZ... but there is no news about K8L so we just dont know.
but i cant' stand 11 months of not having the best stuff.. GRRR.. do u think i have an addiction?
zephyrprime
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He's also running the benchmark on a P4 XE and the conroe doesn't look so good compared to it even though the XE would naturally be affected by HD performance as well.
I think this Intel conroe thingy is really good for all of us, the price gonna come down like crazy.
At gpu limited resolutions (which is what I'm guessing you use your computer for) your setup is more then adequate. The world will keep on turning even if someone else has a faster rig, don't worry.
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Re the Price Cuts: I think once AMD cuts prices the Price/Performane differences between AM@ and Conroe will likely keep AMD competitive for awhile. AMD would certainly want to be the undisputed Performance Champ, but being the Price/Performance Champ isn't too bad, especially for a smaller Player in the market(assuming of course that Profits can be maintained at rates high enough to carry out R&D and other necessary expenses).
God i honestly hope AMD is gonna suprise us with another Athlon 64 FX51. Remember when that happened, and every one went crzyyyy. they were like OMG,, its sooo COOL (physically too).
I'm saddened because It took SOO long for amd to come up with anything to suceed their Xp chips. Did they accumulate enough resources in past 1.5 years to fight off Intel's new threat?.
THe major problem is n00bers will constantly buy the DELLS/hp/xxxx which push intel, I'd say that is an undieing following because they simply don't know. But INTEL has that, AMD doesn't. I honestly don't know all that many people with A64s outside of you guys on this website.
I think the best plan for AMD is to stay on the 939 NF4 mobos so people won't have to buy all new AM2 and DDR2, cuz the difference between DDR/DDR2 is minimal in terms of games/app performance.
They will likely sell many more chips this way, and most importantly Maintain their "fanboi" base for a while longer. it is much more attractive to be able to keep most of ur current hardware than to update EVERYTHING just to switch to intel.
I'm saddened because It took SOO long for amd to come up with anything to suceed their Xp chips. Did they accumulate enough resources in past 1.5 years to fight off Intel's new threat?.
THe major problem is n00bers will constantly buy the DELLS/hp/xxxx which push intel, I'd say that is an undieing following because they simply don't know. But INTEL has that, AMD doesn't. I honestly don't know all that many people with A64s outside of you guys on this website.
I think the best plan for AMD is to stay on the 939 NF4 mobos so people won't have to buy all new AM2 and DDR2, cuz the difference between DDR/DDR2 is minimal in terms of games/app performance.
They will likely sell many more chips this way, and most importantly Maintain their "fanboi" base for a while longer. it is much more attractive to be able to keep most of ur current hardware than to update EVERYTHING just to switch to intel.
That's the issue. Price drops from AMD will be very painful since they they don't even have the benefits of 65 nm technology yet.
The majority of Intel's CPU's will be on 65 nm before AMD ships it's first 65 nm part. That has huge P&L implications not to mention Intel's economies of scale.
AMD can neutralize the price/performance advantage of Intel's new offering but it'll likely send them deep into the red and they need about $2.5B to convert their 200mm Dresdon fab to 300mm
I think we'll see AMD sacrifice destop market share but do all they can in the high end server space where they'll still have an advantage over Intel.
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