Is AMD coming out with anything soon?

[thestain]

Is AMD going to bring out any 65nm cards late this summer or fall?

Whatever happened to the R650, was is scrapped?

How about the R680?

I was reading that to work best.. new tech from AMD had to be faster.

So.. any chance we see anything from AMD before nVidia comes out with new products in November or December?

Any 2950XTX sightings?

The unfadable, undyable.. Stain

 

[SickBeast]

Everything is coming out Q1 2008, which is absolutely terrible as AMD will miss the Xmas rush.

Not only that, but the new hardware looks underwhelming. The X1950Pro looks like it will have a price to match its performance ($250 or so).

There are other threads that have info on the two cards (1950Pro, R680). R680 is the new high-end card.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Everything is coming out Q1 2008, which is absolutely terrible as AMD will miss the Xmas rush.

Not only that, but the new hardware looks underwhelming. The X1950Pro looks like it will have a price to match its performance ($250 or so).

There are other threads that have info on the two cards (1950Pro, R680). R680 is the new high-end card.

1950pro? Are you living like 2 years ago? and you have no benchmarks to prove anything about performance. You're obviously just trolling along hating on ATI.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Everything is coming out Q1 2008, which is absolutely terrible as AMD will miss the Xmas rush.

Not only that, but the new hardware looks underwhelming. The X1950Pro looks like it will have a price to match its performance ($250 or so).

There are other threads that have info on the two cards (1950Pro, R680). R680 is the new high-end card.

1950pro? Are you living like 2 years ago? and you have no benchmarks to prove anything about performance. You're obviously just trolling along hating on ATI.

Actually I'm getting tired of your barrage of crap. The video forums have been peaceful for some time now, and lately you've been disruptive for no good reason.

I made a typo. It's the 2950Pro. :roll:

How do you think a crippled X2900 will perform? Faster than an 8800GTX? Perhaps you have some research to do...

 

[cmdrdredd]

It's not crippled either. The only change we know for sure is the 256bit bus

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's not crippled either. The only change we know for sure is the 256bit bus

Going from a 512-bit bus to a 256-bit is not 'crippling' it? I shudder to think of what you DO consider 'crippling'.

 

[cmdrdredd]

the 8800gts has 384bit and many consider that alot for that card. Lets say we wait for cards to be in hand and benchmarks to be run before we declare doom on ATI.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
the 8800gts has 384bit and many consider that alot for that card. Lets say we wait for cards to be in hand and benchmarks to be run before we declare doom on ATI.

Well, I don't declare doom on ATI I think that a 256-bit X2950Pro could be their saving grace, under the following conditions :

It's $179 or thereabouts (could stick to 256MB Ram even, look at the excellent performance of X1950XT w/256MB)
It is more or less in the range of 8800GTS performance, perhaps between 320 and 640MB version.
They squeeze it out in time for some holiday sales!

The market is crying out for a decent midrange DX10 solution that can play current games better than their DX9 cards already can. Nvidia and ATI have both let the midrange go, and the first company to offer a decent solution will sell TONS and TONS of cards

If they can do it, GO ATI! I remain a fan of the X1950XT (I recommend one over the overpriced, gigantic, power-slurping X2900s any day of the week), and think they really need a hit right now to keep afloat.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
the 8800gts has 384bit and many consider that alot for that card. Lets say we wait for cards to be in hand and benchmarks to be run before we declare doom on ATI.

Well, I don't declare doom on ATI I think that a 256-bit X2950Pro could be their saving grace, under the following conditions :

It's $179 or thereabouts (could stick to 256MB Ram even, look at the excellent performance of X1950XT w/256MB)
It is more or less in the range of 8800GTS performance, perhaps between 320 and 640MB version.
They squeeze it out in time for some holiday sales!

The market is crying out for a decent midrange DX10 solution that can play current games better than their DX9 cards already can. Nvidia and ATI have both let the midrange go, and the first company to offer a decent solution will sell TONS and TONS of cards

If they can do it, GO ATI! I remain a fan of the X1950XT (I recommend one over the overpriced, gigantic, power-slurping X2900s any day of the week), and think they really need a hit right now to keep afloat.

Well, the 2900xt can be considered midrange. I suppose that the $350-$420 pricepoint is the current midrange area. High end being over $450 but obviously ATI has no cards to fit in here.

The HD2900xt is a good card overall, thanks to very good drivers for Vista. I think ATI tried to do too much and it didn't work out so they just cut features and released it. Bad for them really.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
the 8800gts has 384bit and many consider that alot for that card. Lets say we wait for cards to be in hand and benchmarks to be run before we declare doom on ATI.

Well, I don't declare doom on ATI I think that a 256-bit X2950Pro could be their saving grace, under the following conditions :

It's $179 or thereabouts (could stick to 256MB Ram even, look at the excellent performance of X1950XT w/256MB)
It is more or less in the range of 8800GTS performance, perhaps between 320 and 640MB version.
They squeeze it out in time for some holiday sales!

The market is crying out for a decent midrange DX10 solution that can play current games better than their DX9 cards already can. Nvidia and ATI have both let the midrange go, and the first company to offer a decent solution will sell TONS and TONS of cards

If they can do it, GO ATI! I remain a fan of the X1950XT (I recommend one over the overpriced, gigantic, power-slurping X2900s any day of the week), and think they really need a hit right now to keep afloat.

Well, the 2900xt can be considered midrange. I suppose that the $350-$420 pricepoint is the current midrange area. High end being over $450 but obviously ATI has no cards to fit in here.

The HD2900xt is a good card overall, thanks to very good drivers for Vista. I think ATI tried to do too much and it didn't work out so they just cut features and released it. Bad for them really.

Ouch, I think midrange needs to come back down to the $200 price point, as in the 6600GT days. At that point, you could play pretty much anything at decent res/detail, without breaking the bank. Not so anymore

I'd LIKE to see :

Low-end : $49, can play new games at lowest settings, HD Video @ HD res, passive cooling, 64-bit memory interface

Entry-level gaming : $99, can play new games at midrange settings, 128 or 256-bit memory interface

Midrange gaming : $149-$199, can play new games at pretty high settings, 256 or larger memory interface

High-end gaming : $249-$299, can play new games at maximum settings, 384 or larger memory interface

Bleeding-edge gaming : $400 and up, can play anything at any detail, and will do so for at least 6 months.

 

[Regs]

AMD won't be able to sell the 2900XT for much longer. Driver update after driver update just to try to save face. The 1950 performs almost as well as a 2900XT ($400 dollars) which is almost in excusable. Reminds me of the 9800 vs. 5800FX ordeal. At least NVIDIA released a better version of the 5800 shortly after the dust buster.

AMD needs something new and something worth investing a few media events with. The 2900XT seemed like it was slipped underneath a pillow by the tooth fairy.

 

[thestain]

Hi,

I thought AMD had something better they were going to introduce soon. Then in googling came accross a post or two that indicated AMD might have cancelled the R650.

So just to confirm.. whatever this was to be was cancelled?

What are some good sites to check out for future products? Is AMD that tight lipped or is it that they really don't have squat right now?

Any details on those newer products coming out early next year?

With a 2950 pro coming out.. sure appears it would be dumb to use this model number for high end card 3-4 months later.

Just to confirm.. No 2950XT or 2950XTX then?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
the 8800gts has 384bit and many consider that alot for that card. Lets say we wait for cards to be in hand and benchmarks to be run before we declare doom on ATI.

Well, I don't declare doom on ATI I think that a 256-bit X2950Pro could be their saving grace, under the following conditions :

It's $179 or thereabouts (could stick to 256MB Ram even, look at the excellent performance of X1950XT w/256MB)
It is more or less in the range of 8800GTS performance, perhaps between 320 and 640MB version.
They squeeze it out in time for some holiday sales!

The market is crying out for a decent midrange DX10 solution that can play current games better than their DX9 cards already can. Nvidia and ATI have both let the midrange go, and the first company to offer a decent solution will sell TONS and TONS of cards

If they can do it, GO ATI! I remain a fan of the X1950XT (I recommend one over the overpriced, gigantic, power-slurping X2900s any day of the week), and think they really need a hit right now to keep afloat.

Well, the 2900xt can be considered midrange. I suppose that the $350-$420 pricepoint is the current midrange area. High end being over $450 but obviously ATI has no cards to fit in here.

The HD2900xt is a good card overall, thanks to very good drivers for Vista. I think ATI tried to do too much and it didn't work out so they just cut features and released it. Bad for them really.

Ouch, I think midrange needs to come back down to the $200 price point, as in the 6600GT days. At that point, you could play pretty much anything at decent res/detail, without breaking the bank. Not so anymore

I'd LIKE to see :

Low-end : $49, can play new games at lowest settings, HD Video @ HD res, passive cooling, 64-bit memory interface

Entry-level gaming : $99, can play new games at midrange settings, 128 or 256-bit memory interface

Midrange gaming : $149-$199, can play new games at pretty high settings, 256 or larger memory interface

High-end gaming : $249-$299, can play new games at maximum settings, 384 or larger memory interface

Bleeding-edge gaming : $400 and up, can play anything at any detail, and will do so for at least 6 months.

Agreed. No WAY a 350-450 dollar card is "midrange."


It's only 'midrange' amongst the enthusiast population

 

[cmdrdredd]

It's midrange based on performance. Price is not a factor in determining if a card is high end or not. There are 3 tiers of performance 8800GTX = high 8800gts = mid 8600 = low

At least this how I look at it.

 

[xenolith]

It's funny, I too was scouring the net tonight to see whatever happened to the R650. The latest info on any news/roadmap site I could find was at mikeshardware.co.uk which says: "ATI Radeon X2900 65nm GPU is expected to be released around Mid August. The successor of the Radeon X2900 XT, the 65nm refresh version is expected to feature a lower TDP alongside improved texturing and AA performance and the inclusion of UVD."

I don't know how reliable this site's sources are, all I know is it's well past "mid-August" and there hasn't been a peep from DAMMIT on any x2900 65nm refresh version.

I have a strong feeling R650 (if it ever really existed at all) was axed for the 55nm RV670 (2950Pro) now slated for Jan '08. The R680 (maybe their new high-end?) is still on vr-zone's roadmap for Jan' 08 as well.

If anybody knows anything more or wants to make corrections, please do share.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
It's midrange based on performance. Price is not a factor in determining if a card is high end or not. There are 3 tiers of performance 8800GTX = high 8800gts = mid 8600 = low

At least this how I look at it.

You look at it VERY wrong then.

Price IS the biggest factor in determining whether a card is low/mid or high end.

You are quite a comedian. $350-$420 is the midrange!? are you insane?!

Arkaign said the best. Anything above $249 is considered high end, and that is only a few % of the population buys cards above that price.

 

[Ylurien]

Then what is a $500-650 card? Super high-end? Uber? The GTX is still selling for $505 on Newegg as I type this - the cheapest price on the net according to pricewatch. And this card has been out for almost a year.

The thing is, the whole paradigm has shifted. Hardcore gamers need to start getting ready to pay $500 and up for high-end performance in a video card. This is due to there being almost zero true competition from AMD/ATI (it seems like to me). What`s very strange about this market is how few competitors there are.

 

[Dravic]

Originally posted by: Ylurien
Then what is a $500-650 card? Super high-end? Uber? The GTX is still selling for $505 on Newegg as I type this - the cheapest price on the net according to pricewatch. And this card has been out for almost a year.

The thing is, the whole paradigm has shifted. Hardcore gamers need to start getting ready to pay $500 and up for high-end performance in a video card. This is due to there being almost zero true competition from AMD/ATI (it seems like to me). What`s very strange about this market is how few competitors there are.

It still high end..

No matter what AMD/ATI and Nvidia try and tell me. I'm at no time every buying a video card for more then ~$250.

by memory - riva 128 -> geforce 2 MX - kyro 2 -> ti4200($200) -> 6800nu unlocked ($200) -> 7800gt OC ($250) all $250 or less, all significantly faster then the previous gen midrange. skipped the 5xxx series, and prob skipping the 8xxx because the new dx10 mid range cards are TERRIBLE.

I dont think i'm alone in this either.

The only other viable option i think is to buy highend then trade it in to keep going highend. There by spedning maybe $100 - $150 a year on an upgrade. Thats about the same 200-250 i spend. howerver, I have 3 kids and a wife so i pass my hardware down and cant sell my cards..

And dont get me wrong i can afford a $500 vid card, i just dont see the value in it. unles using the sell back option above.

 

[coldpower27]

Different people see it in different ways I guess. As well these numbers correlate to MSRP's and not what card eventually falls down to.

$450+ Enthusiast (256Bit+)
$300-$449 Peformance (256Bit+) HD 2900 XT, 8800 GTS 640, 7800 GT, 6800 GT
$200-$299 Peformance-Mainstream (which we so eagerly want) 7950 GT, X1950 Pro, 6800 Vanilla, are good examples of cards in this range in previous generations. (256Bit Minimum)
$150-$199 Mainstream (decent performing cards) X1800 GTO, 7600 GT, 8600 GTS, 7900 GS, X1900 GT, 6600 GT. (128Bit to 256Bit)
$100-149 Lower Mainstream 7300 GT, 8500 GT, 8600 GT, etc..(128Bit Minimum)
$99 or Below Budget (64-128Bit)

By my scale I would define "mid range" in the $179-$249 or so category.

 

[speckedhoncho]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
the 8800gts has 384bit and many consider that alot for that card. Lets say we wait for cards to be in hand and benchmarks to be run before we declare doom on ATI.

the 8800gtS has a 320-bit interface; the 8800gtX has a 384-bit interface.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Different people see it in different ways I guess. As well these numbers correlate to MSRP's and not what card eventually falls down to.

$450+ Enthusiast (256Bit+)
$300-$449 Peformance (256Bit+) HD 2900 XT, 8800 GTS 640, 7800 GT, 6800 GT
$200-$299 Peformance-Mainstream (which we so eagerly want) 7950 GT, X1950 Pro, 6800 Vanilla, are good examples of cards in this range in previous generations. (256Bit Minimum)
$150-$199 Mainstream (decent performing cards) X1800 GTO, 7600 GT, 8600 GTS, 7900 GS, X1900 GT, 6600 GT. (128Bit to 256Bit)
$100-149 Lower Mainstream 7300 GT, 8500 GT, 8600 GT, etc..(128Bit Minimum)
$99 or Below Budget (64-128Bit)

By my scale I would define "mid range" in the $179-$249 or so category.

That's pretty reasonable, I hope things swing back to that kind of lineup. I am guessing that TONS of people are holding on to 7600GT/7800/X1800/X1900 kind of cards just because upgrading is so garishly and profoundly expensive.

ATI has a real chance here of outplaying Nvidia, if they get a card that's 8800GTS speed out the door for under $200. They will sell like ice cubes in hell.