Is Allah Omnibenevolent?

[William Gaatjes]

But it is my contention that Omnibenevolence defies such bias. So to believe in an Omnibenvolent god is to say that all religions (even athiesm) are adequate and as such each person must be measured by his/her actions. Yes this destroys the power structure of the organization but cannot be logically denied.

Indeed. And although i am not a Buddhist or a Hindu, i think these believes are more accurate when it comes to real life. You reap what you sow is the basic message of karma. That is what Karma is about. When looking at how nature works, epigenetics for example is such a case of karma. What you do will not only effect you but others as well. How much it effect others depends on what you do and in what strength or size. Others like offspring. But for every action there is a reaction. And i find it amazing to find such a philosophy in a religion. Afcourse, with such an religion it is hypothetically possible that the believers become so scared, that they will no longer do anything because of the result of any action. Everything has 2 sides. And that reminds me of yin and yang. I am not saying that every answer can be found in eastern philosophies or religions, But i do think a lot can be learned.

I personally enjoy the texts of the Chinese philosopher Confucius...

 

[piasabird]

I can see it now. A giant image of Muhamed scultped from butter at the State Fair.

Just thought I would share this kind of odd thought. These dumb images just appear in my brain. I have to act on them. Yes; I have an odd sense of humor and an overactive immagination.

 

[Blackjack200]

lol, scanning the page and I though this thread was titled "Is Obama All Benevolent?"

 

[Madwand1]

My interest is to understand the metaphysical construct on which Islam is based and therefore to understand the future development of maturity of an organization.

If you understood that "metaphysical construct", you would lose interest in the future development of Islam, as you would in in any and all misinterpretations of truth having found a truth.

Islam suffers no less from conflicting and various interpretations than does God. In other words, Islamic adherents interpret God correctly and incorrectly to the same degree of variability as do Christians, and as do Hindus, etc. -- the point is that Islam, Christianity, and Hinduism, etc., do not, as formalized collections of millions of poorly apprehended and organized views, carry with them meaning greater or more correct than that certain individuals can each have, regardless of the specific religion they found themselves in most close affinity with.

This very notion of universality of God can also be seen in every religion, and is natural, as God necessarily exceed the bounds of any and every religion, and encompasses each person. Islam specifically makes this point when it points to the unbounded Absolute God. It also makes this point when it doesn't claim that Islam is the only religion, or its prophet the only prophet, and emphatically when it makes the specific point that those who make distinctions among the prophets are simply among the unbelievers -- in other words that those apparent distinctions fade to those with any real knowledge or understanding.

The heaven and hell business is among the most misunderstood, misinterpreted, and mispresented part of the religions, which is natural and a consequence of the distance and of using heaven and hell as recruiting material. This stuff, as presented and interpreted, is for children, although this expression even demeans children. Mahler expressed this misunderstanding well in his fourth symphony -- a child's voice and words, to be felt.

To grow up in the spirit is to attend to the core and to not be entangled in the superficial, whether religious differences or recruiting propaganda. It is otherwise an error, an error of direction and focus, which though a natural consequence of material experience, is a critical one to recognize if you would have this inquiry have any meaning.

 

[Moonbeam]

If you understood that "metaphysical construct", you would lose interest in the future development of Islam, as you would in in any and all misinterpretations of truth having found a truth.

Islam suffers no less from conflicting and various interpretations than does God. In other words, Islamic adherents interpret God correctly and incorrectly to the same degree of variability as do Christians, and as do Hindus, etc. -- the point is that Islam, Christianity, and Hinduism, etc., do not, as formalized collections of millions of poorly apprehended and organized views, carry with them meaning greater or more correct than that certain individuals can each have, regardless of the specific religion they found themselves in most close affinity with.

This very notion of universality of God can also be seen in every religion, and is natural, as God necessarily exceed the bounds of any and every religion, and encompasses each person. Islam specifically makes this point when it points to the unbounded Absolute God. It also makes this point when it doesn't claim that Islam is the only religion, or its prophet the only prophet, and emphatically when it makes the specific point that those who make distinctions among the prophets are simply among the unbelievers -- in other words that those apparent distinctions fade to those with any real knowledge or understanding.

The heaven and hell business is among the most misunderstood, misinterpreted, and mispresented part of the religions, which is natural and a consequence of the distance and of using heaven and hell as recruiting material. This stuff, as presented and interpreted, is for children, although this expression even demeans children. Mahler expressed this misunderstanding well in his fourth symphony -- a child's voice and words, to be felt.

To grow up in the spirit is to attend to the core and to not be entangled in the superficial, whether religious differences or recruiting propaganda. It is otherwise an error, an error of direction and focus, which though a natural consequence of material experience, is a critical one to recognize if you would have this inquiry have any meaning.

Cargo cults.

 

[HGC]

I wonder if they islamic scholars consider him, under the same definition, that of : Omnipotent, Omniscient, Omnipresent and Omnibenevolent

That's a really interesting point.

If God is all those things, as a supreme Being must be, it doesn't matter what name you use, He (or She or It) is the same Being. Two different beings can't be everywhere at the same time and be separate.

If a follower of Islam or any other religion insists, "no, my God is different", he is arguing that his God is limited in space and/or time by individual characteristics. That means not omnipresent, eternal, etc.

Making God less than supreme and worshiping the lesser God you created is idolatry.

To me it is absurd that fanatical supposed devotees of God, which by definition can only be One, think other devotees deserve death, or, worse, eternal hell, because they worship using the wrong syllables in the name for the same Being.

Jehovah, Shiva, Allah... you may be sincere, but pick the wrong word and you will burn not for a quadrillion years, but for eternity. How utterly stupid!

I really enjoyed the South Park episode that made pretty much the same point, but funnier.

"I'm sorry; I'm afraid you were wrong... You chose the wrong religion." They ask, "Well, what was the correct religion?" The Director (of hell) informs them: "I'm afraid it was the Mormons'. Yes, the Mormons' was the correct answer."

 

[palehorse]

My imaginary friend "George" is omnibenevolent, so sure, why not?